Originally Posted by prosciencemum I'm still not understanding why you think they aren't included if a representative sample of vaccinated children is studied.
Originally Posted by prosciencemum I really fail to understand what proof you want or what you think would be possible to find in the way of proof.... there are studies which include representative samples of vaccinated and unvaccinated children.
Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel Vaccine safety data link works through large managed care groups like kaiser permanente. So yes, even if they dont' go to their regular doctor it still gets recorded in their medical records and would would be considered under VSDL. It makes absolutely no difference if the doctor records it as a vaccine reaction or not.
Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel We have things like vaccine safety datalink that looks in medical records for patterns of diagnosis, increased hospital admission or pcp visits, etc in time frames after vaccine administration. That's completely independent of whether something is actively recognized as a reaction or not.There are some studies that look at the effects of vaccination years down the road.
SAME exact sentiment yet both of you have fail to show ANY proof this is occurring- you both keep stating the same line- Study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3057555/ and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21502240/
neither say they are studying vaccinated children with REACTIONS and none of us (those who are not buying what you are selling) are talking about NON-vaccinated children, the ones with the reactions are the ones who have had vaccines
both of you have offered nothing of what I and others have asked - I "assume" you both do not have any proof to back up what you both keep repeating, repeating it over and over doesn't make it real either
I am also sure I will hear both of you have no clue (once again) what I am talking about
question #1 - Where is the proof "reactions" are included when the Doctor or ER tells you your child is not having a reaction? You both have claimed it - please provide it.
#2 - Where is the proof children with reactions are included in the trials/studies, managed care, etc both of you claim?
#3 How do these with reactions (those who have received payouts- thus the govt found there was cause for them to receive $) show up in these trials/studies,etc, I assume these also do, would they not?
ETA- everyone of the families I know that have (what they believe to be) a child with a reaction to vaccine (s) have numerous dr, ER, specialist visit EACH year - dozens of them - IRL I only know one family who's child is not on private insurance any longer and is now (because she is over 18) on govt assistance - so all have been in the private insurance system for years~managed cared
Edited by serenbat - 3/11/13 at 5:59pm