Graphic showing percent decrease in VPD morbidity

[prosciencemum]

Forbes published an infographic based on CDC statistics about the percent decrease in VPD morbidity (pre vaccination era annual rates of diseases compared to the 2010 annual rate). The Forbes article presenting it is at the below link (which has links to the sources of the statistics). 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2013/02/19/a-graphic-that-drives-home-how-vaccines-have-changed-our-world/

And here's the info graphic, created by a graphic designer names Leon Farrant. 

[BeckyBird]

Polio? No way. Vaccines did not eradicate polio. Please see this thread for a few reasons why:

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1374680/video-smoke-mirrors-and-the-disappearance-of-polio-a-presentation-by-dr-suzanne-humphries

[Rrrrrachel]

The conspiracy theory about how polio just got renamed (really? How many kids do you know wearing braces on their legs?) not withstanding, I saw that graphic a few days ago and thought it was great. Really puts into perspective the impact of even the weaker vaccines like pertussis.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

The conspiracy theory about how polio just got renamed (really? How many kids do you know wearing braces on their legs?) not withstanding, I saw that graphic a few days ago and thought it was great. Really puts into perspective the impact of even the weaker vaccines like pertussis.

You are the one buying into a conspiracy theory in believing Polio was ever eradicated. 

[BeckyBird]

Calling it a conspiracy theory does not make it one. Why don't you visit the link I posted, and learn the entire story, which is a LOT more than just the renaming of polio symptoms.

[Rrrrrachel]

I don't need to. I've talked to people who lived through polio and had loved ones maimed by it.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I don't need to. I've talked to people who lived through polio and had loved ones maimed by it.

Anecdotes, anecdotes. 

Too afraid to watch the presentation because Dr Humphries might be right? 

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I don't need to. I've talked to people who lived through polio and had loved ones maimed by it.

so have I. My uncle had polio as a child and has post polio syndrome as a result and is wheelchair bound. what's your point? They changed the definition of polio and as a result the numbers of cases dropped drastically - not sure why you think this is a conspiracy theory. Its part of history. 

[Rrrrrachel]

Polio was a mountain in the landscape of american life before it was eradicated.  If the vaccine didn't eradicate it, and it (or something like it, whatever was originally diagnosed as polio) still persists in the same kind of numbers, it would be difficult to ignore.

http://amhistory.si.edu/polio/americanepi/communities.htm

[Rrrrrachel]

And I asked some people born in the early 1900's what they thought of the theory that polio hasn't really been eradicated by the vaccine, and they just laughed.  

[Rrrrrachel]

Really this is like poking at a sore.  I just really can't get over the fact that people seriously are against the polio vaccine or dont' think it was effective. I can wrap my brain around some of the other vaccines, but not polio.  It's just incredible to me and I can't quite get past it, I guess.  I suppose I must've learned the sheeple version of american history.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

And I asked some people born in the early 1900's what they thought of the theory that polio hasn't really been eradicated by the vaccine, and they just laughed.  

And these people have researched the topic and written books on the subject?

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Polio was a mountain in the landscape of american life before it was eradicated.  If the vaccine didn't eradicate it, and it (or something like it, whatever was originally diagnosed as polio) still persists in the same kind of numbers, it would be difficult to ignore.

http://amhistory.si.edu/polio/americanepi/communities.htm

Watch the video.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Really this is like poking at a sore.  I just really can't get over the fact that people seriously are against the polio vaccine or dont' think it was effective. I can wrap my brain around some of the other vaccines, but not polio.  It's just incredible to me and I can't quite get past it, I guess.  I suppose I must've learned the sheeple version of american history.

Yep, 'fraid so.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

And I asked some people born in the early 1900's what they thought of the theory that polio hasn't really been eradicated by the vaccine, and they just laughed.  

of course they did - unless someone was aware of the change in diagnostic criteria, the idea would seem ridiculous. The change in diagnostic criteria was not a publicized event. It was not known by anyone in the general public. The vaccine was credited for the eradication of polio and most people in the general public accept what they are told. 

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I don't need to. I've talked to people who lived through polio and had loved ones maimed by it.

1. Prove they really had polio. Do you know how polio was commonly diagnosed back then?  I'll just say it was about as "un-scientific" as could be. The video explains this, with facts from that time period.

2. So, because polio declined during the time of the vaccine, are we to assume the vaccine is the cause? Were there any other environmental factors at that time? Yes, there were. If you want to know why polio declined, you must know everything that might have contributed to the decline. Again, see video for more facts.

Why not watch the video and debunk it for us? Show us how wrong we are! The video is full of facts, which we all can appreciate.

You see, vaccine advocates have the burden of proof. If I am expected to give my child a vaccine, it should be up to you (general pro-vax you) to prove to me why I should. It is not up to me to prove why I don't want this elective medical procedure.

So, why should I believe the polio vaccines had anything to do with the decline of polio? The facts do not support this claim.

[Rrrrrachel]

Regardless of whether it was polio or not, where are all those sick people??  Where are the hundreds of children all across the country who suddenly fall ill without warning?

[Rrrrrachel]

You're aware that there were massive clinical trials for the Polio vaccine, right?  Good old fashioned vaccinated vs. unvaccinated and compare.  Many of the objections that are raised against vaccine research today simply don't apply to the polio vaccine development.  It's about as "pure" a clinical trial as you can get.

[Rrrrrachel]

http://amhistory.si.edu/polio/virusvaccine/clinical.htm

Quote:

In 1954, almost 75 percent of reported poliomyelitis cases occurred in people under twenty years of age, and 50 percent in children under ten. The trial’s study population, then, targeted some 1.8 million children in the first three grades of elementary school at 215 test sites. In the double-blind experiment, 650,000 children received vaccine, 750,000 received a placebo (a solution made to look like vaccine, but containing no virus), and 430,000 served as controls and had neither. All were “Polio Pioneers.”

[BeckyBird]

If you still can't wrap your head around this, then you should watch the video. The speaker is a "real" doctor, who decided to look at ALL of the facts about polio. She did not just trust what the establishment claims to be true.

Save the video, and watch it in segments if you must. Debunk it for us. Until then, you cannot expect us to believe polio was eradicated by the vaccine, when there are other valid, factual reasons for the decline.

Your emotional pleas are falling on deaf ears. Show us some facts please. A silly chart of "vaccine comes around, polio goes down" is not enough.

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Regardless of whether it was polio or not, where are all those sick people??  Where are the hundreds of children all across the country who suddenly fall ill without warning?

Where is the DDT now? Have you investigated this claim yet? Hasn't anything else changed since then?