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Peanut oil in Vaccines causing massive peanut allergy? - Page 2post #22 of 3093/17/13 at 11:17amFrom your link.
"However, until 1900 peanuts were not extensively grown, partially because they were regarded as food for the poor, and because growing and harvesting were slow and difficult until labor-saving equipment was invented around the turn of the century."
My only point is that there are lots of potential reasons for increased peanut allergies.post #23 of 3093/17/13 at 11:26amQuote:
Sorry, but you need to to sensitized to a food before you can have an anaphalictic reaction. M. Richet's research, the first to observe this, is vital to understanding this. Do yourself a favor and read his speech - its quite short. While your at it take a look at Clemens Von Pirquet's work on Serum Sickness too.post #24 of 3093/17/13 at 11:33amI read his speech when he posted it before. I don't know what the relevance really is here, though. You don't have a reaction the first time you eat a food. That's kind of allergies 101. Still, less consumption of peanuts would mean less allergies, even if there were no other factors at play.post #25 of 3093/17/13 at 11:40am
Clemens Von Pirquet was the describer of the Serum Sickness reaction; vaccine reaction and vaccine allergy. He was the inventor of the term allergy (because immunity couldn't be differentiated from hypersensitivity). He developer of the common TB skin test; and devised a unique system to nutrition, and described the kitchen at his Children's Clinic more important than the pharmacy. He was also responsible for certified milk fortified with vitamin D. He also ensured that his clinic had easily readable patient charts, isolation for disease groups and utilized fresh air and sunlight in the healing process.
Unfortunately, history's eraser has wiped him out.post #26 of 3093/17/13 at 11:44am
Thanks for posting that speech Mirzam. Great find!
"by 1902 we were able to state three main factors which are the corner-stone of the history of anaphylaxis:
(3) a three or four week period must elapse before the anaphylactic state results. This is the period of incubation."
"In 1903 Arthus, in Lausanne, showed that a first intravenous injection of serum on a rabbit causes anaphylaxis, i.e. three weeks after the first injection the rabbit is hypersensitive to the second injection. The phenomenon of anaphylaxis was becoming of general application. Instead of applying only to toxins and toxalbumins, it held good for all proteins, whether toxic at the first injection or not."
"the phenomenon of anaphylaxis occurs after every injection of serum, even when the injection is minute, for example of 0.00001 ml which is an infinitely small amount but nevertheless sufficient to anaphylactize an animal."
I'm only 1/4 of the way through the speech, and already found several precious gems of information!post #27 of 3093/17/13 at 11:45amQuote:Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel
I read his speech when he posted it before. I don't know what the relevance really is here, though. You don't have a reaction the first time you eat a food. That's kind of allergies 101. Still, less consumption of peanuts would mean less allergies, even if there were no other factors at play.
Again, eating a food substance won't cause anaphlactic shock. YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN SENSITIZED THROUGH INJECTION FIRST. Yes, I am shouting in exasperation.
I guess you didn't understand the relevance to Charles Richet's work with regard to vaccine excipiants. When you inject things like peanut oil or squalene into a body, it will become senstized.post #28 of 3093/17/13 at 12:13pmpost #29 of 3093/17/13 at 12:15pmpost #30 of 3093/17/13 at 12:32pm
No. Whole proteins from substances can get into the bloodstream if the gut is permeable. For example, if a mother has a leaky gut it can get through breastmilk and can sensitize her baby.Quote:
There are degrees of sensitization, as Charles Richet pointed out with his experiments with dogs. Are you sure you read the speech?post #31 of 3093/17/13 at 12:37pmQuote:
How high does it need to be for you?
According to a FARE-funded study, the number of children in the U.S. with peanut allergy more than tripled between 1997 and 2008.1 Studies in the United Kingdom and Canada also showed a high prevalence of peanut allergy in schoolchildren.post #32 of 3093/17/13 at 12:53pmpost #33 of 3093/17/13 at 12:55pmQuote:Originally Posted by serenbat
How high does it need to be for you?
According to a FARE-funded study, the number of children in the U.S. with peanut allergy more than tripled between 1997 and 2008.
Studies in the United Kingdom and Canada also showed a high prevalence of peanut allergy in schoolchildren.
Well if injection causes allergies, and vaccines contain peanut proteins, seems like it would up towards 95-100%.post #34 of 3093/17/13 at 1:28pmpost #35 of 3093/17/13 at 1:36pmQuote:
This is why it is always good to have a grasp of the topic, which includes reading the links, before shooting off a post.post #36 of 3093/17/13 at 1:48pmQuote:
This is where an understanding of Von Pirquet's work on Serum Sickness would have been helpful. As has been mentioned three times now, vaccination by its very nature has to incorporate hypersensitivity, it comes part and parcel with vaccine "immunity" which isn't real immunity, of course, because that is a natural phenomenon which encompasses a multi-faceted immune response to a potentially infectious organism and that cannot be elicited by vaccination.post #37 of 3093/17/13 at 1:52pmpost #38 of 3093/17/13 at 1:58pmQuote:
My opinion has nothing to do with having a knowledge of the work of Clemens Von Pirquet and Charles Richet. If you consider yourself a student of vaccinology, these are important historical figures to be familiar with. Just say......post #39 of 3093/17/13 at 2:36pmpost #40 of 3093/17/13 at 2:46pmQuote:
Huh? You are not having a discussion with me, you're shooting off one-liners and that doesn't amount to a discussion. I have no desire to go round and round in circles with you, been there done that enough times to know it is a pointless exercise. Have a nice day.
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