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post #201 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Like I said, it's remarkably easy to verify that the only vaccine adjuvants used in the us are aluminum based.

you do know these are time stamped and everyone can see you aren't reading! biglaugh.gif

post #202 of 309
You're really missing the point.
post #203 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

You're really missing the point.

no I'm not!

 

 

it's called reading

post #204 of 309
Forget about adjuvants. I believe the vaccine companies are using peanut oil - as excipients which is defined as:
EXCIPIENTS =
n.
An inert substance used as a diluent or vehicle for a drug.

Sounds like an excipient would also fall under the classification of trade secret due to its definition since its technically inert.

Wow Serenbat - nice research now that's what "I'm talking about". Pretty compelling stuff going on here.

Hard to argue there's no peanut oil in vaccines from what I'm seeing here. Adjuvant - excipients - whatever - seems peanut oil is in vaccines .

Rrrrrachel. What's ur two cents - still standing hard against?
post #205 of 309
An excipient COULD be declared a trade secret if it met the criteria, including a competetive advantage, and it wasn't considered harmful to the public to keep it a secret.

IF its being used and kept a trade secret we're talking about one or two brands using it, otherwise it wouldn't qualify as a trade secret.

My position is that the ingredient lists on the CDC webpage, which specifically say they include inactive ingredients and excipients, are complete. I see no motivation to use peanut oil at all or to keep it a secret if they do.

What's your position? Are they lying about which excipients they're using or using more than one.
post #206 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

 and it wasn't considered harmful to the public to keep it a secret.
 

Who makes this decision? The FDA, whose official position is that vaccines are safe, beneficial, and necessary?

 

Quote:

"I see no motivation to use peanut oil at all or to keep it a secret if they do."

 

I can think of a reason why they would want to keep this information a secret.....if they were using peanut oil for years, and the amount of peanut allergies continued to rise throughout the years, they might not want to reveal that fact to the public. The public might lose confidence in vaccines, or that the "anti" crowd would pounce on this info and make a big deal about it. People with life-threatening peanut allergies could sue. For a variety of reasons, they would want to keep that info a secret. It may not have started out as a secret years ago, but now there are problems with peanuts, so it must stay a secret to protect the vaccine program.

 

I know, a bunch of "ifs", but my guess is as good as yours!

post #207 of 309
So why disclose eggs protein but not peanut protein?
post #208 of 309

It would be almost impossible to hide the fact that viruses are grown in eggs.

post #209 of 309
Why? Because some cursory investigation would reveal it? Same can be said for using peanut oil.
post #210 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Why? Because some cursory investigation would reveal it? Same can be said for using peanut oil.


Haha, no. It is common knowledge that eggs are used, no conspiracy theory there, sorry. The same can Not be said for peanut oil, especially if it is a trade secret OR used as an excipient like bellfrost suggested. You believe the CDC list is complete, and I do not. I believe it is possible there may be hidden ingredients. Neither of us knows for sure, but we both have our opinions. I have no trust in the CDC, FDA, or pharmaceutical companies, so of course I think they are hiding something.

post #211 of 309
So you think they're using multiple excipients? Or you think they aren't using the ones they say they are?
post #212 of 309
And I'm or just taking the fda's word for it and saying case closed, but there's just too much stuff that doesn't make sense. With all the controversial ingredients in vaccines, why keep peanut oil a secret? And if its an effective adjuvant, seems like it would be a terrible excipient. And why do the claims keep changing? It's an adjuvant, no it's an excipient, no it's an inactive ingredient and you not have to list those, just kidding yes you do, but not trade secrets it must be one of those, except that doesn't quite fit either . . . . (I don't means posters n mothering so much as the many links that have been posted. They all have contradictory claims for where the peanut oil is) and if peanut oil in vaccines is causing a peanut allergy epidemic, why isn't there a egg allergy epidemic? Or gelatin?
post #213 of 309
All good questions.
post #214 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

They all have contradictory claims for where the peanut oil is) and if peanut oil in vaccines is causing a peanut allergy epidemic, why isn't there a egg allergy epidemic? Or gelatin?

Funny you should mention this.

 

From August, 2009:

http://www.allergysa.org/journals/2009/august/food-allergy-epidemic.pdf

Australian data from childcare centres in the ACT and Central Sydney Area Health Service showed while allergies to proteins in milk, eggs and seafood have remained steady, peanut allergies increased by 50% between 2003 and 2006, and cashew allergies, while less common overall, increased a staggering five times.7 There also appears to be an increasing number of reactions reported to novel allergens such as sesame 8 and kiwi fruit.9 

post #215 of 309
I'm not sure what you're trying to say taxi. That says egg allergies are holding steady and doesn't mention gelatin allergies.
post #216 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post
My position is that the ingredient lists on the CDC webpage, which specifically say they include inactive ingredients and excipients, are complete. I see no motivation to use peanut oil at all or to keep it a secret if they do.

 

 

Lets just (for this post) talk about flu vaccine - per the CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

 

 

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

Influenza (Afluria)

beta-propiolactone, thimerosol (multi-dose vials only), monobasic sodium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, monobasic potassium phosphate, potassium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium taurodeoxycholate, neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, egg protein

November 2011

Influenza (Fluarix)

sodium deoxycholate, formaldehyde, octoxynol-10 (Triton X-100), α-tocopheryl hydrogen succinate, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), hydrocortisone, gentamicin sulfate, ovalbumin

April, 2011

Influenza (Fluvirin)

nonylphenol ethoxylate, thimerosal (multidose vial–trace only in prefilled syringe), polymyxin, neomycin, beta-propiolactone, egg proteins

May, 2011

Influenza (Flulaval)

thimerosal, α-tocopheryl hydrogen succinate, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate, ovalbumin

December, 2011

Influenza (Fluzone: Standard, High-Dose, & Intradermal)

formaldehyde, octylphenol ethoxylate (Triton X-100), sodium phosphate, gelatin (standard formulation only), thimerosal (multi-dose vial only) , egg protein

May, 2011

Influenza (FluMist)

ethylene diamine tetraacetic acid (EDTA), monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed porcine gelatin, arginine, sucrose, dibasic potassium phosphate, monobasic potassium phosphate, gentamicin sulfate, egg protein

May, 2011

     
     
     
     
     
     
     

 

 

Where is the " aluminum " you are talking about listed?

 

AND I take if from all your denial that you do not think any vaccine US contains any oil-water emulsion adjuvants-correct?

 

 

 

HERE- please tell all of us what a lie this is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAO.gif

 

 

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CFUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scirp.org%2Fjournal%2Fpaperdownload.aspx%3Fpaperid%3D4837&ei=83VbUeKKH-_L0gHIgIGoDg&usg=AFQjCNFfzqjulA3LAZhnvujplJAMyEPsSA&sig2=orklh651o12w0zDYoU0t8A&bvm=bv.44697112,d.dmQ

 

 

 

 

 

World Journal of Vaccines, 2011, 1, 33-78 1 doi:10.4236/wjv.2011.12007 Published Online May 2011 (http://www.SciRP.org/journal/wjv)

Selection of Adjuvants for Enhanced Vaccine Potency

Wei Wang1, Manmohan Singh2

1BioTherapeutics Pharmaceutical Sciences, Pfizer Inc, Chesterfield, USA; 2Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics, Cambridge, USA. Email: wei.2.wang@pfizer.com

Received February 16th, 2011; revised March 17th, 2011; accepted March 25th, 2011. 

 

 

PAGE 38 for those who wish to READ! sorry the card does not copy and paste well

Table 2. Non-aluminum vaccine adjuvants currently used in licensed products.  lol.gif

Adjuvants

AS03 AS04 MF59

Virosomes (150 nm)

Adjuvant Representative Indications composition Products

Squalene-based Pandemic oil-in-water Pandemrix flu emulsion
MPL + alum Fendrix HBV

Cervarix HPV Squalene-based Seasonal

oil-in-water Fluad flu emulsion

Phosphatidylcholine Inflexal V bilayer liposomes

Seasonal Flu 

post #217 of 309
The flu vaccine doesn't have an adjuvant. No us flu vaccines use adjuvants.
post #218 of 309
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Originally Posted by JulieWojo View Post

could yo
do you mind giving a link so I can read more about this?

I will try to find something on my own as well, but I'd like to see what you've read about this.

 

Julie I'm sorry I missed this the first time.  I will try to find some good links for you.  If you google him you can find lots of cases he's testified on, though.

post #219 of 309
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Serenbat your information is incorrect or taken out of context. It's very easily verified that the only adjuvants used and licensed in the us are aluminum salts
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm187810.htm

But not peanut oil. You've posted a lot of information that applies to other medications. As I've said several times I'm only discussing vaccines. I couldn't possibly check the ingredients of every drug on the market.

 

 

You should check to see if those vaccines you found in that study are actually licensed in the US.  Cervarix is, and you can see I already mentioned this has a different (but still aluminum based) adjuvant.

 

The quote I originally posted form the link above (since mothering's quote feature edits out nested quotes or something)

 

 

 

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Are other adjuvants used in US vaccines?

Yes, there is one other adjuvant used in one U.S. licensed vaccine.  Cervarix, a vaccine licensed by FDA on October 16, 2009, to prevent cervical cancer caused by human papillomavirus types 16 and 18, includes AS04 in its formulation.  AS04 is a combination of aluminum hydroxide and monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL).  MPL is a purified fat-like substance.

post #220 of 309

This might help, if you use the adjuvant database I posted awhile back

 

http://www.violinet.org/vaxjo/

 

You can look up each of the adjuvants you posted about and see exactly where they are licensed.

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