Peanut oil in Vaccines causing massive peanut allergy? - Page 5

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

I did not see any such documentation.   Would you mind reposting it, if you actually did post it?

There are more children with peanut allergies than there are unvaccinated children. Therefore anywhere from 33% to 75% of children with peanut allergies are getting vaccines, at a bare minimum and assuming every single unvaccinated child has a peanut allergy.

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

I don't think she's saying that only people who have been vaccinated have food allergies.  I think she was making the point that some children develop peanut allergies and other food allergies because of vaccines, and was trying to explain how vaccines were the initial trigger in THOSE PARTICULAR CASES, not in every case.

While she may have meant what you said her post states quite differently. Mirzam clearly states that you have to be sensitized by a vaccine first:

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Originally Posted by Mirzam 

 

Again, eating a food substance won't cause anaphlactic shock. YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN SENSITIZED THROUGH INJECTION FIRST. Yes, I am shouting in exasperation. 

 

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Could you please document that. The ingredients listed on the CDC web page are quite extensive and include food products such as egg protein.

It doesn't matter how extensive the ingredients list is if they are not required by law to disclose each and every ingredient.  Packaged food items are required to do so.  Vaccines are not.  If you can provide documentation that they ARE so required, by all means, please present that to us.

According to http://www.thefoodallergynetwork.com/relatedconditions.html

"Note that vaccine manufacturers do not have to list “inactive” ingredients on the package insert. So all the various kinds of oils (peanut oil is one of them) used in vaccine adjuvants and all the various foods used in the culture medium (eggs, wheat, beef) are a protected trade secret. This means you can have various undisclosed food ingredients in a vaccine together with the components that are intended to trigger an amplified immune response... a recipe for an immune disaster."

and

"Believe it or not, you have no right to know the ingredients in your vaccines, as it's a protected business secret."

[Rrrrrachel]

Except food ingredients are listed. What is the law that says they're not required to list food ingredients?

[Rrrrrachel]

The CDC page that gives information on ingredients specifically states that it includes inactive ingredients and ingredients in the growth medium.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

The entry for each vaccine includes a long list of inactive ingredients.

Also, if peanut oil is used it is not used as a adjuvant the only adjuvant licensed in the us is aluminum salts.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton 

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

I don't think she's saying that only people who have been vaccinated have food allergies.  I think she was making the point that some children develop peanut allergies and other food allergies because of vaccines, and was trying to explain how vaccines were the initial trigger in THOSE PARTICULAR CASES, not in every case.

While she may have meant what you said her post states quite differently. Mirzam clearly states that you have to be sensitized by a vaccine first:

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirzam 

 

Again, eating a food substance won't cause anaphlactic shock. YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN SENSITIZED THROUGH INJECTION FIRST. Yes, I am shouting in exasperation. 

 

Actually I said injection. We have no way of knowing which vaccines or vaccine lots have peanut oils in them because the manufacturers do not have to disclose this information if it is considered proprietary.

[Rrrrrachel]

It's remarkably easy to find out if and which vaccines contain peanut oil/protein. Any of these organizations like nvic or vean could do it. They'd have a smoking gun and a huge headline. Why haven't they done it?

[Love_Cyber_Cat]

This is very strange to me. I begin by saying that I am anti vaccines and I have a 7 year old DD who did not get a single vaccine until the age of 4, and then  got selective vaccines only. My DD has a cousin who is a year and a half younger, his parents are very PRO vaccines and he got every shot required by doctors from the day one of his life. At the age of 3 they have discovered he is extremely allergic to all kinds of nuts ( especially pine nuts), cats, dogs, and pretty much everything and anything out there ( flowers, dust, etc. ) - my point is- they kept vaccinating him- if the peanut oil IS in fact in vaccines- wouldn't he react immediately? I mean this kids allergy is SO bad that even if I ate peanuts in a morning and gave him a kiss that same day in the evening he would react! I would agree that vaccines play a huge role in making our kids sicker as a nation- and their immune systems compromised- but this whole peanut oil in vaccines seems like a stretch to me...
 

[Mirzam]

You don't even need to have peanut oil in a vaccine to get a peanut allergy. Vaccines are known to cause vascular permeability that can create a leaky gut which results in undigested proteins crossing the GI tract into the blood stream. With each vaccine instigated immune storm if there was some undigested protein in the blood at the time, it could seen as an invader and a memory cell response would be mounted to against it. Get a vaccine, eat a peanut butter sandwich, get a peanut allergy. In the case of babies, mom has a leaky gut, eats some peanuts, nurses baby who also has a leaky gut and has peanut protein in blood, baby gets a vaccine, baby gets a peanut allergy. 

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Except food ingredients are listed. What is the law that says they're not required to list food ingredients?

You're asking if there is a law about a LACK of requirement?

You're joking, right?

Maybe you should be asking about the law saying that vaccine manufacturers are not required to do sing a rousing chorus of "I dreamed a dream" and then do a triple backflip before selling vaccines?  Or what about the law saying that vaccine manufacturers are not required to list what they were wearing the day they signed the contract with their vendors?

IN CASE ANYONE THINKS THAT RRRRRACHEL IS SERIOUS, THERE ARE NO LAWS STATING THAT COMPANIES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO_________ .  THERE ARE, HOWEVER, LAWS STATING WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO.  PUBLISHING A LIST OF EVERY INGREDIENT USED IN PRODUCTION OF VACCINES IS NOT ONE OF THOSE LAWS.

[Rrrrrachel]

The claim was made early on that at some point something changed and "they" said vaccine manufacturers no longer had to list all ingredients. Also it sounds like there is some kind of policy that says they don't have to list food ingredients? I'm just lookin for some documentation other than Internet rumor.

[serenbat]

I was doing some OLD reading - incase anyone else is interested (I found it to be!!)

 http://www.mothering.com/community/t/297360/peanut-oil-as-an-adjuvant

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1354539/peanut-oil-as-adjuvant-in-vaccines

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Marnica 

Its a well established historical fact that emulsified peanut oil was used routinely in vaccines in the 60's and 70's in certain adjuvants and growth mediums. At some point manufacturers (not sure what year) were not required to list the ingredients of whats in growth mediums. So just because it's not listed on a package insert doesn't mean it's not there.

Who isn't requiring them to list the ingredients? Where is the policy change that says they no longer have to? Where is any documentation showing they ever used them (for a well established historical fact I haven't been able to find anything about it)?

Where are the easily obtainable tests showing peanut oil is in vaccines? If various groups believe that peanut oil is in there and being hidden and causing harm, why haven't they generated a list of which vaccines contain it and made the list available for parents?

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

The claim was made early on that at some point something changed and "they" said vaccine manufacturers no longer had to list all ingredients. Also it sounds like there is some kind of policy that says they don't have to list food ingredients? I'm just lookin for some documentation other than Internet rumor.

No, that's not correct.

It was pointed out that there is no law requiring vaccine manufacturers to list all ingredients, and that, like many other non-food manufacturers, their "trade secrets" are therefore protected.

Nobody said that there is a policy saying that food ingredients do not have to be listed.  Quite the opposite: 

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Originally Posted by Taximom5 

It doesn't matter how extensive the ingredients list is if they are not required by law to disclose each and every ingredient.  Packaged food items are required to do so.  Vaccines are not.  If you can provide documentation that they ARE so required, by all means, please present that to us.

Please read more carefully so that you don't inadvertently divert the focus from what I requested from you:  

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Originally Posted by Taximom5 

It doesn't matter how extensive the ingredients list is if they are not required by law to disclose each and every ingredient.  Packaged food items are required to do so.  Vaccines are not.  If you can provide documentation that they ARE so required, by all means, please present that to us.

[Rrrrrachel]

Taxi read the quote. It is correct

[Rrrrrachel]

I'm not the one making a claim here. I don't know if they're required to or not, although considering the level of detail provided on the cdc web page and inserts it doesn't make sense to me that they dot have to list inactive ingredients or food products, because they do. I'm asking for some verification of a claim that has been repeatedly made.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

The vaccine manufacturers don't have to declare peanut derivatives or any other food prodcut since vaccines are not a food.  They are not required to disclose all the ingredients of vaccines, nor ingredients used in processing but considered inactive, because these are considered trade secrets.

So you're not saying here that vaccine manufacturers don't have to disclose food products as ingredients?

[Rrrrrachel]

Where is some verification that 1. They can apparently declare anything a trade secret and 2. They don't have to list ingredients that are trade secrets?

[serenbat]

http://www.who.int/vaccine_research/documents/IVR_IPR_Tokyo_Session1_Kaplan_presentation.pdf  worth reading 

http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparency/PublicDisclosure/TradeSecrets/default.htm

I have to go through my saved searches I think I have another.

This has links to other mentions of "secrets" that are allowed to be kept - 

http://barbfeick.com/vaccinations/allergy/801-secret_ingredients.htm

An Access to Information request to Health Canada for the 100% composition of vaccines given to infants received the response, "I regret to inform you that the exact composition of these vaccines cannot be disclosed to you as the information is protected under ATIA (Access to Information Act) Section 20(1)(a)(b)(c). This is a mandatory exemption which protects confidential business information."

The Act, under Third Party Information, states, 20. (1) Subject to this section, the head of a government institution shall refuse to disclose any record requested under this Act that contains a) trade secrets of a third party; b) financial, commercial, scientific or technical information that is confidential information supplied to a government institution by a third party and is treated consistently in a confidential manner by the third party; c) information the disclosure of which could reasonably be expected to result in material financial loss or gain to, or could reasonably be expected to prejudice the competitive position of, a third party; or d) information the disclosure of which could reasonably be expected to interfere with contractual or other negotiations of a third party."

http://www.vran.org/vaccines/anaphylaxis/vaccine-ana.htm

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9a00e2d8153ff934a15754c0a9609c8b63

The nature of GlaxoSmithKline's adjuvant is a trade secret

Edited by serenbat - 3/19/13 at 10:57am

[Rrrrrachel]

Some of that is only relevant to Canada. The New York Times link ony applies to a bird flu vaccine not licensed in the us because it uses a novel adjuvant. The ony adjuvant licensed for use in the is are aluminum salts.