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Thanks for sharing that, Buko. 

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Aww, if I had more time I would respond properly, but you guys totally rock for all the info/support for the GBS thing! I have an appointment later today so we'll definitely talk about it. It helps to know that I may not have to be hooked up the whole time. I think my biggest bummer was that I think it triggered a little PTSD from last time. I was in tears last night and I realized I was scared no matter what avenue we end up going down, though I hope it's the natural vaginal birth road. It's just that all our scary news last time started with a positive GBS test and then the news just kept coming: tons of protein in my urine, immediate induction, etc.....don't want to go there right now. I hope that this GBS test will be our one necessary intervention, but I also know I just need to think positive and let go of a feeling of control. Wow..lthanks for letting me get that out! love.gif

Ps - chapsie, we live so close to each other that I bet the policies are similar. Thanks for sharing!
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Aww, if I had more time I would respond properly, but you guys totally rock for all the info/support for the GBS thing! I have an appointment later today so we'll definitely talk about it. It helps to know that I may not have to be hooked up the whole time. I think my biggest bummer was that I think it triggered a little PTSD from last time. I was in tears last night and I realized I was scared no matter what avenue we end up going down, though I hope it's the natural vaginal birth road. It's just that all our scary news last time started with a positive GBS test and then the news just kept coming: tons of protein in my urine, immediate induction, etc.....don't want to go there right now. I hope that this GBS test will be our one necessary intervention, but I also know I just need to think positive and let go of a feeling of control. Wow..lthanks for letting me get that out! love.gif

Ps - chapsie, we live so close to each other that I bet the policies are similar. Thanks for sharing!


treehugger.gif I love you.  I'm so sorry you're feeling PTSD about last time and I really hope you can allow yourself to feel it and let it go and just know in your bones that things are so different this time.  They really are too.  I love you (again).  BIG HUGS.  I wish I was there!

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Tear - much love and gl!  I hope you get good news!!

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Oh wow, so much to catch up on here! Ive been reading along when I can but haven't posted much since Evie arrived. I cant believe shes a week old already- I feel like time is already going so fast!

Melany Ive been thinking of you and Anna and still sending prayers! I hope you are healing better and being supported by friends and family. Please let us know if there's anything we can do for you in the coming weeks.

scruffy too Sorry you're not sleeping, but at least once you're done with work, you can take unlimited naps! That's the only way I survived the insomnia...

Chapsie Hooray for date night! Its always nice to connect over something beyond the day to day parenting stuff!

spughy Fingers crossed for March 8th for you!

scarletsmiles I LOVE the story about your mom taping you all for the baby! Amazing!

AFM I'm spending my morning skin to skin with Evie in bed. She is nursing a lot less frequently than DD1 did, and while her diaper count is good and she seems satisfied, I don't want to end up with supply issues. Then again, she was born over a pound larger than her sister, so that could have something to do with the difference.

DD1 had her first overnight away from us with her Grandma last night. I wasn't going to admit to DH that I cried when he left to drop her off until he came home and told me he cried after he left her. She is 20 months old, and partly seems so big to me now, but shes still my baby! She will be home this afternoon, and I'm sure shes having a great time. I'm enjoying some quiet baby gazing in the meantime, but still looking forward to having both girls at home.

I cant believe tomorrow is March 1st already! We should be seeing more babies arrive very soon! YAY! Hang in there, mommas, we will all be holding our little ones within just a few more weeks!
post #106 of 164

Tear - I thought I heard of some homeopathic things you could do over the next month to see if you can clear up the gbs. Maybe they would test you again at 39-40 weeks?  Asking can't hurt, can it? With that said, my friend still had a natural labor even lugging the IV pole around.  Not fun, but possible.  

 

SamSarah - I'm completely dragging my feet! I have a short, but significant to-do list and once everything is done I will feel ready for baby, but I just can't seem to get it accomplished!

 

Had my 39 week appointment today and met the last OB in the practice who might deliver me.  She's not my first choice for the delivery (not that I get much choice as to who is on call), but she was nice enough. (as in, with DH and our doula there I don't think she'll push us into anything)  Praying the OB I saw last week is the one who delivers. 

 

My biggest issue today was that the dr clearly hadn't read my chart before seeing me.  She had no idea that I'd had a previous vaginal birth (of a 9.5lb baby to boot) or that I had transferred from the m/w and birthing center.  She obviously didn't look at my birth plan b/c she kept asking if I was sure I didn't want a cervical check "just to see if I was opening up" or an ultrasound "to see how big the baby might be."  Really? I just told you I birthed a 9.5 lb baby and you agreed that this baby is not that big. So why do I need an ultrasound to confirm that?  The last thing she said before I left the office was "When you come back next week you'll be almost 40 weeks, so if you want to be induced just let us know!"  ARGGH! Read the file!  No interventions, no induction, no ultrasound, no cervical checks!  How hard is that?
 

I'm also still having these annoying period like cramps and now some lower back pain and I keep wondering if labor is almost here.... it could be a long 3 weeks if this baby doesn't show up soon!

post #107 of 164
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"When you come back next week you'll be almost 40 weeks, so if you want to be induced just let us know!"

 

Yeah, and then it's called a maternal request induction and women get blamed for our current mess.  eyesroll.gif  soapbox.gif

 

You want some high irony?  Or maybe it's not "ironic" at all...

 

I am having a homebirth, but live less than a 7-minute walk from the hospital that does more births than any other in my state.  Many days, I walk past it to drop off my (home-based retail business) packages in the mailbox on the corner. 

 

"My Hospital" has a 37+% C/S rate.

 

On Monday, as I was walking by, I couldn't help but think that if I were the average pregnant lady (or even like 95% or more* of preggos who live in my neighborhood), I'd be delivering there.  I wouldn't know my ovulation date (which was Day 18, not 14), and thus would have been designated "40 weeks" that day (this past Monday).  I would surely have had an induction (nudged by an OB) scheduled for this week, because, hey, I'd be over 40 weeks.  Maybe even induced last week.  And that's IF my dates hadn't been moved up by a later U/S (seems they're more often moved up than moved back). 

 

As a first time mom, being induced would have led to a 50% chance of C/S right off the bat-- and with higher than average C/S numbers at My Hospital, maybe more than 50%. 

 

And here I am at the end of the day Thursday and no labor, so my baby is probably not ready this week at all.

 

Makes you rage think. 

 

 

*Of course, probably only 1% have HBs, if that, but I'm sure a few go to other practices or see MWs in other hospitals or birth centers-- not that we have tons of options here.

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I was just complaining about this "induction culture" to my husband this week. In my state (Utah) it really is insane. NOBODY goes over 40 weeks pregnant. Most doctors will voluntarily induce you at 39 if you want! When I hit my 3rd trimester I was handed a packet of info on elective inductions and how to set one up if I wanted one. This week (I was 37 + 3) when my doctor asked how I was doing and I joked that I was "ready to have this baby," he immediately launched into talking about how we could do a 39 week induction if I wanted. (I am high risk too, so would have more cause than most, but don't see a need for one as things stand right now.) I said that if things continued to go as well as they have I saw NO reason for an induction, and felt like it would have more risks than benefits. The doctor immediately agreed with me, and said he'd feel more comfortable not doing an induction too! Ten seconds after he'd been talking about how to set up an elective induction.

 

The real irony is that even though I am high-risk, with a disease in which it is common to induce women between 37-39 weeks, all of my doctors (my regular OB and the team of perinatologists I am seeing) have all been very supportive of my desires to avoid an induction without a major medical reason. They all agree that the risks (of a c-section, which would be a very tough recovery for me) are greater than the benefits if things continue as well as they have been. And yet, voluntary induction is such a prevailing part of the culture here that it seems to be just the assumption that I will get induced at some point just for my own convenience! A few weeks ago I asked the PA at my OB's office a question about whether having polyhydramnios would keep the baby from engaging as early (answer: yes), and she basically blew me off and said, "Well, it really doesn't matter because WHEN we induce you and break your water, that will bring the baby down all the way." The automatic assumption that induction will be how it happens is maddening to me - but in this state, that is how it goes. Essentially everyone I know here schedules their babies' arrivals. One of my friends went overdue four or five days with her last kid and said it was so hard because she literally knew NOBODY else who had carried past 40 weeks and 0 days, so people didn't understand her decision to let nature take its course.

 

Okay... rant over. And I haven't even gotten started on the c-section rates that follow these inductions! In most cases, I am all for the patient taking the lead in the care relationship, but I think in this situation I think all the doctors in this state need to put their feet down and stop offering voluntary inductions at 39 and 40 weeks!

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Tear78, I hope you can clear things up on the GBS with your care provider! I've also tested positive for GBS, and found out earlier than expected because it came back as a result when I was tested for a yeast infection (the midwives weren't expecting anything about GBS either!). You absolutely should be able to get intermittent antibiotics. It should be a short dose (under 1/2 hour, I don't remember how long) once every four hours. My midwives said they can either put in a saline lock (which I think is easiest, since they can then just plug in the IV tube during those times they need it, and I only get stabbed once, and they'll tape it over if I get into the birth pool), or poke into a new vein each time, but then you have less ability to move.

 

A couple of points I'm not sure other people have covered, that helped me relax about it. First, they like to get at least two doses of antibiotics in after your water has broken and before the baby's born. However, if the baby's born really quickly, it's also at less risk for contracting sepsis, because it hasn't spent much time around the bacteria! If the baby's born still in the sac, it basically has no chance of getting infected, because it has been in its own sterile container the whole time!

 

Second, I saw a naturopath about the GBS (and the yeast infection, mainly). She pointed out that if you test positive for GBS, yes, it can come and go in your vaginal canal, but you're then known to be a carrier. So even if you test again later, and come up negative, it could easily show up again before you give birth. So since you tested positive for GBS the last time, it makes perfect sense that you tested positive again, and doesn't mean *anything* about all the other stuff that happened the last time. And I thought it was interesting that the doctor, even though a naturopath, said yep, it was a good idea to do the antibiotics. Really, it's one of the few westernized treatments of pregnancy/birth that scientifically seems to make a really big difference.

 

Anyway, good luck with your decisions!

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*Side story that is just cool:

My mom had a very strong spiritual impression that my sister needed to hear me and my siblings talk to her while she was in the NICU. She woke us up in the middle of the night and said "I know how you can talk to your sister!" My mom had us record a cassette tape were we sang songs, told her we loved her and wanted to meet her, and asked her to be strong. When my mom brought the tape by her incubator, her ventilator showed that my sister would start to breath more on her own. When the tape stopped, the ventilator had to breathe %100 for her again. The NICU nurses were like "get some more tapes of your kids!" I really believe there is something very powerful to love. Even little babies can feel that power.

 

This was an amazing, beautiful, awesome story. love.gif

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When I hit my 3rd trimester I was handed a packet of info on elective inductions and how to set one up if I wanted one.

 

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And I haven't even gotten started on the c-section rates that follow these inductions! In most cases, I am all for the patient taking the lead in the care relationship, but I think in this situation I think all the doctors in this state need to put their feet down and stop offering voluntary inductions at 39 and 40 weeks!

 

Wow, am I glad to stay in my little bubble!  At this morning's group appointment (everyone is basically 37-40 weeks now), my MWs again gently discouraged people from doing things like taking castor oil or even walking uphill to "induce" because "you might get all tired out and then not go into labor until the next day or so anyway, and now you're exhausted/sick."

 

But I think what you wrote above is key-- it's not about maternal request exactly (although I guess it could be, somewhat, as induction becomes all anyone knows).  When a doctor "offers" the way yours did (and I can't get over the packet at 37 weeks!), he or she is not-so-subtly endorsing induction and implying it's risk-free or very low-risk.  Docs don't have to "put their feet down" so much as not suggest it in the first place!  Grrrrrrrr.... 

 

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Wait-- sorry!  The packet was given at the beginning of your third trimester!  Ugh.

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I agree with what most everyone else has said about the GBS stuff.  Still waiting on those results... however I got my hemoglobin tested the same day (2 days ago - labs sure are quick around here) and it's within the normal range, so YAY! (it was really quite low around 32 weeks) but it's still on the lower end of normal so I'm going to keep making my beef heart jerky (and hiding it from DH better irked.gif), burning through the beef stores in my freezer(s) and taking my floradix (although weirdly, it doesn't taste NEARLY as good now as it did a couple months ago... like my body knows I don't need it as much.) 

 

My white blood cells (and neutrophils) are slightly elevated though.  Anybody have any info on that?  DD has a mild cold, DH just got over a nasty throat thing, and I was dealing with an impressive pile-up of hemorrhoids until a few days ago - but I have no symptoms of illness, no fever or anything.  I know pregnancy is supposed to suppress immune function but both this pregnancy and the last I've been remarkably resistant to cold bugs going around - but it's possible I'm getting them and just not having any symptoms.  Should I be even remotely concerned about that?

 

There isn't the same culture of induction here, but repeat c-sections seem to happen a little too early (at least for my liking - 38 weeks? Why not wait the extra week or so?)  I don't know anyone who was induced before 41 weeks except one client I had who had some liver thing with a long name that I can't remember - and her induction actually worked (at 37 weeks) and her baby was born vaginally.  The OBs - most of them - seem to get induction-happy between 41 and 42 weeks, but the MWs are a little more chill on the whole thing.  I really doubt my MW would even do a membrane sweep before 40 weeks unless I was seriously uncomfortable and whiny and annoying. 

 

I went for an acupuncture treatment this morning and the acupuncturist said there wasn't going to be any needles for induction-like purposes until my MW checks to see if my cervix is doing anything interesting - so this treatment was just all about getting my cervix ready, not prompting my uterus to kick it up a notch.  It was nice though - very relaxing - and I did feel a little crampy afterwards so hopefully it accomplished something.  I am going to ask my MW at my next appointment - a week from now - to check my cervix.  I doubt it will be displaying much readiness to squidge out a baby, but I am curious and impatient and it's my cervix and I'll get it examined if I want to. orngtongue.gif

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ScarletSmiles, what a beautiful story smile.gif
My baby goes v still and quiet when DS shouts/pokes/blows raspberries on my tummy......I get the feel he is hiding from boisterous big brother but he definitely responds to his siblings voice.

Storygirlcindy, it's outrageous pretty much no-one goes over 40 weeks in your area! I guess your Doc feels they have to offer if it's the norm but how sad is that. Jeez, at this rate future women will be choosing to grow their babies in womb-pods from conception instead of inconveniencing themselves at all with pregnancy!!! (Hmmm, could be a somewhat attractive prospect though.)
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My GBS test came back positive. greensad.gif Is this something that can be retested after a couple weeks or am I definitely looking at dragging an IV pole around with me during labor? I'm still feeling thankful not to be showing signs of preeclampsia. But I'm a little grouchy like...really? I really want a low risk low intervention birth if possible this time, please! Ok...back to focusing on healthy baby, healthy mama. om.gif

 

Sorry I didn't see this until now... 

 

I tested positive for GBS. It is very strange because I have never been positive with the others and this time I eat so much better... It's almost annoying! 

 

Anyway, my mw and I talked about my options and her thoughts on the entire thing. She feels that GBS doesn't become a threat to the baby unless the waters have been broken for more than 18 hours, than it can become a problem. So, what we decided to do is not brake my water intentionally for any reason (which I wanted anyway, so no big change on the birth plan there.), and as long as it hasn't been ruptured naturally for 18 hours we will just watch baby closely. If my waters does brake, and I go past the 18 hour mark I will then do the vaginal rinse, Hibiclens. I feel very good about our plan, and confident that we will do what is necessary to prevent my baby from getting GBS. Maybe you could also do the Hibiclens? The research on it is really excellent, and shows to be very effective. 

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Yeah, it really is this bubble of induction-land. Most other places in the US my friends who are tired of being pregnant are begging to get induced before 41 weeks. I don't know what it is about this area that makes induction "the norm," but it totally is. It's very strange to see my facebook newsfeed filled with announcements like, "Hooray! Went to the doctor today and we'll be having this baby next Friday! I can't wait!" I definitely agree that doctors shouldn't offer it as much, but from things my doctor has said about it, I get the impression that he's more going along with the general culture than anything. I asked him what he'd do if I hit 40 weeks without further cervical change (I'm sitting about 1cm and 70%), and he said he'd be very reluctant to do an induction. And, like I said, when I brought up my concerns about induction increasing the risk of c-section he agreed and said he felt that if I continue doing well it would be better to let the baby choose her own time. So, he certainly seems very supportive of it... but it's just so weird that it seems to be EVERYONE'S assumption that most, if not all, pregnant women will get induced around here.

 

And my sympathies on the GBS thing - mine came back positive as well, which I had a feeling it would (I have a long long history of yeast & bacterial vaginal infections due to my other health issues). 

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Anyway, my mw and I talked about my options and her thoughts on the entire thing. She feels that GBS doesn't become a threat to the baby unless the waters have been broken for more than 18 hours, than it can become a problem. So, what we decided to do is not brake my water intentionally for any reason (which I wanted anyway, so no big change on the birth plan there.), and as long as it hasn't been ruptured naturally for 18 hours we will just watch baby closely. If my waters does brake, and I go past the 18 hour mark I will then do the vaginal rinse, Hibiclens. I feel very good about our plan, and confident that we will do what is necessary to prevent my baby from getting GBS. Maybe you could also do the Hibiclens? The research on it is really excellent, and shows to be very effective. 

This is how my MW feels, too.  I get my results on Tuesday.

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And now for a random but lovely story about how a hospital CAN actually provide amazing, wonderful, awesome support for breastfeeding mamas with challenges.  It showed up on my FB feed and I thought I would share with you all.

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My white blood cells (and neutrophils) are slightly elevated though.  Anybody have any info on that?  DD has a mild cold, DH just got over a nasty throat thing, and I was dealing with an impressive pile-up of hemorrhoids until a few days ago - but I have no symptoms of illness, no fever or anything.  I know pregnancy is supposed to suppress immune function but both this pregnancy and the last I've been remarkably resistant to cold bugs going around - but it's possible I'm getting them and just not having any symptoms.  Should I be even remotely concerned about that?

 

Well, when I had my first blood tests early in pregnancy, my WBC count was also a little elevated, but apparently that's just typical of being pregnant. It's one of the things that has to have a slightly different scale for pregnant ladies. Later, when I failed my gestational diabetes screen, the test showed my WBC were actually high, and that indicated I had an infection of some sort. Having had a wicked cold for a week and a half, and still coughing a little, that was not particularly surprising. I would imagine if you don't have any symptoms, you don't have much to worry about. And having a cold/cough/whatever isn't that big of a deal when pregnant, right? Aside from the fact that it sucks? You just don't want the fever. So I wouldn't worry about it. smile.gif

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And now for a random but lovely story about how a hospital CAN actually provide amazing, wonderful, awesome support for breastfeeding mamas with challenges.  It showed up on my FB feed and I thought I would share with you all.

wow, this is beautiful.  At the hospital I am at, babies are not allowed in the ICU (it is considered a "dirty floor"... infection control is the rationale) so when a mom needs to be hospitalized in ICU, she can't have her baby with her.  Saddest thing ever.   I hate that.  :(  

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