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post #121 of 188
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It's unfortunate that someone is warning you not to continue nursing. I can understand wanting to talk about it if you are having problems, but do it without purposely trying to discourage others.

I keep forgetting to tell you all that I was expecting af.gif today but she hasn't show yet. I used to always get it first thing in the morning. I am only 13dpo so I have another day or two before I need to re-evaluate my chart. No chance of being pg, though. winky.gif

My Ovulation Chart
post #122 of 188

Only b/c it can affect your supply tho.  And if I see that happening I can just stop taking it.  Not like an IUD or something that I would need to have removed you know?

post #123 of 188

Maybe they are just being overly cautious but here's what I saw "The hormones in Seasonale can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. This medication may also slow breast milk production. Do not use if you are breast feeding a baby." That would make me uncomfortable to take. IDK, I also have moral issues with hormonal birth control so I should probably stop weighing in.

 

Ava is still vomiting. So this round started Thursday night. Ugh. DH called and got more zofran for her and her pedi's office wants to see her tomorrow morning. At 8:30 AM! Gah! I was like "ummm, Ava isn't usually awake at that time?" but the receptionist didn't care. At least it's with her regular pedi.

post #124 of 188
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I sure hope Ava is ok.

I would avoid any medication that specifically says do not use. Usually, it just says consult a doctor or pharmacist before taking unless they have actual scientific indications that it could be dangerous.

I don't have moral issues with hormonal bc but I do have healthy and safety issues. But, that's probably hypocritical since I take an antidepressant. redface.gif

Do any of you have Dr. Hale's book or access to his website? I bought the app for my phone so I could use it on the spot at the doctor or pharmacy but it has never worked. Pissed me off because it cost $30.
post #125 of 188
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Do any of you have Dr. Hale's book or access to his website? I bought the app for my phone so I could use it on the spot at the doctor or pharmacy but it has never worked. Pissed me off because it cost $30.

I don't but I'd be curious to get his opinion on those types of contraceptives. Stinks that your app never worked.

post #126 of 188

I'm trying to catch up today and my brain is just fuzzy! First shift back after over a week off. 

 

Poor Ava :( She can't seem to kick this!

 

I'm pretty against hormonal BC, but I think if I was feeling like you, I'd considering looking into it too. It's worth some risk and re-evaluating opinions if you feel like the hormonal moodiness etc is ruining your life otherwise. 

 

 

*yawn*  Such a busy night tonight at work, and I barely stopped rushing all night. Got home just after midnight, and have been just relaxing and decompressing. It's 1:30am now and I just feel ready to head to bed. Blach. Ten will be up in five hours. My needs naps tomorrow! lol

post #127 of 188

Oh my yes that is definitely a warning I'd rather look into first.  I do think most of those warnings are for little babies who are ebf, not toddlers who are nursing infrequently, but still, not a decision I am making lightly.  I still need to stew on it and think about.  I mean, another year or so is nothing in the grand scheme of things if I just wait until he is done nursing.

 

We NEED nicer weather.  We are so cooped up and the kids TV time is out of control.  I'm going to try hard to keep it just to music as much as I can today and tomorrow.  More snow forecasted for today and rain tomorrow.  OMG this mama is going INSANE.  

 

Chris and I had a rough weekend.  Lots of bickering and not much else.  He did get painting done tho, which is great.  Every step towards moving helps.  Today he flies out to Pittsburgh until tmw night.

 

Kat - check in if you can!  want to hear how everything is going!  nursing, babys weight, how everyone is feeling, how norah is handling big sisterhood!  eeeek!  love to all!!

 

I need more coffee. 

 

Oh and the hamster goes back today.  OMG clearly N is not ready for a small pet.  Sheesh!  Probably the biggest stress of the weekend was the fact she kept opening the cage w/o permission, and w/o us present.  I explained multiple times that with the cats she just can't take the hamster out.  It's not safe.  But.  It really didn't matter, she does what she wants.  She's even telling us that when I was out on Sat at the party, she took Lily out and when she ran away she caught her and put her back in.  Idk if she's telling the truth.  She's starting to tell lies and made up stories and stuff, so Idk what actually happened.  If she really did that, tho, while I'm mad she didn't listen, I'm proud she didn't freak out and open the door and come get Chris or something and lose the hamster.  She handled it on her own.

But I still don't know if it actually happened!

post #128 of 188
Cut Tenley's bangs as they've been disgusting in her eyes and we can't keep clips in. It didn't go so well :/ robs gonna be pissed, even though he told me to do it.

I feel sick to my stomach. Lol poor baby greensad.gif
post #129 of 188

The only hormonal bc that's ok while nursing is progestin only. It's the estrogen that screws up BF'ing and can pass into mama milk. You may want to ask about the anti depressants too; I've a friend that is on them specifcally for the hormonal fluctuation issues she has and she says they've really helped (they've also helped her lose weight, as she's not stress and emotional eating anymore -  but IDK if that's a trigger for you). she's also on hormonal bc, but she was having the moodiness and anger issues even with that. Obviously, that is not scientific evidence, but it's the best anecdotal stuff I have.

 

BTW - I am pretty sure any hormonal bc can be written so that you only get periods 4x a year, it's not just seasonale (it's just the only one marketed that way). You just keep taking the active pills and only do placebos one week out of twelve.

 

I'm not really for caged pets. Unless they can be safely out of a cage too some way, it's just a lot of temptation, and smell . . . I like my pets loose and free. Except for fish. We want to get the kids a fish tank at some point.

 

As for the lying . . . I would tend to err on the side of believing her, and treating what she says is truth. And acting on whatever she says. It's hard to say at this age if it is something malicious or if she's making up stories just to play pretend and what not, which is harmless usually and nothing bad is meant by it. I think by treating what she's telling you as truth all the time, you are showing you are respecting her, but eventually she will tell you something that has a negative consequence and she'll realize she'd be better off sticking with the truth.

 

JJ: Tenley's bangs with grow! I feel like I should trim Norah's scraggly bits, but I don't have the heart to.

 

AFU:  nursing, babys weight, how everyone is feeling, how norah is handling big sisterhood!  eeeek!  love to all!!
 

Nursing is going well. Theo is the best of both his siblings. He eats like Norah and sleeps like Gabe. He was a quick study, loves to eat, but sleeps for 3-4 hour stretches between, with some wake up alert time during his hour long cluster feeding sessions.

 

I'll weigh him again today after his first spongebath. Our routine with new ones is once a week baths. I'll get pics.

 

We are all well. Easiest recovery by far, except for stupid hemroids. I'm getting plenty of sleep, a little sore still down there, but my bleeding has eased up alot already. I don't think I'll have 4 weeks of lochia like I did with the first 2. I'm offically down to pre-pregnancy weight! which is fantastic, and means I'll probably end up a good 5-10 lbs below this when my weight settles. Then I'll focus on actually losing weight once Theo is at least 3 months old. I am grateful for any initial weightloss but I don't try for it.

 

Norah doesn't interact much with Theo. Gabe does. He is loving having a litle brother. Likes to hold him and try to help me nurse. looks at him when he's awake. Today he picked him up out of the rock n play sleeper when he woke up crying and carried him to me. Scared me a little, but Gabe was so proud of himself for helping, that I couldn't be mad. We are in cloth diapers today bc my disposable stash is running out quickly. I don't mind at all, it's just an adjustment, as I've never really done a newborn in cloth before. Norah I had a ton of disposable diapers, and only did cloth for cuteness :)

 

Oh - and I'm getting at least 2 out of 3 to nap at one time, and that is awesome. Long may that last.
 
 

post #130 of 188

Holy crap he carried him!  Ha I would have had a conniption inside my head while trying to stay calm on the outside!!  So glad everything seems to be going well.  He's so cute.  So so so cute! 

 

That's a good point about the innocent type lies.  I'll keep that in mind.

 

JJ - Uh oh about the bangs. :-(  Are you heartbroken?  Hey I saw your post about your hair...it doesn't look bad but it def isn't what you asked for.  It looks like the base color didn't take or something, and she was just too safe with the highlights.  She did them very fine instead of chunky.  It's an easy fix if you go back in 4-6 weeks for a touch up.

 

I'm going in for highlights soon.  I'm not handling having grays well at all.  bawling.gif

 

L - how is Ava doing? How are you doing after the tooth extraction?

 

AFM I messaged B about M's messages.  They are the two moms who are tandem nursing.  I clued her in to her hard times and she was really helpful, and sent her some support and good links and I think it might help her.  She told me not to worry about her comments about warning me to wean.  She said it's just a very very intense time the first few months/year of tandem and that although she's thinking she's helping me, she doesn't realize how wrong it is to tell any mom to wean.  So.  That was good.  Relief.

No snow yet.  Ha.  GOOD.

post #131 of 188

I also wanted to say I've skipped periods by doing that with normal pills before, I did it for my wedding/honeymoon even.  These pills are different, I was reading.  They are much lower dose.  Idk.  I'm still reading.  I know the pill KILLS my libido and usually makes me gain weight, so I'm just not sure what to do anymore.

post #132 of 188
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Cut Tenley's bangs as they've been disgusting in her eyes and we can't keep clips in. It didn't go so well :/ robs gonna be pissed, even though he told me to do it.

I feel sick to my stomach. Lol poor baby greensad.gif

Oh no! Ava's hair was pretty shaggy there for a while and I thought I was going to have to cut it but I hated the process when the big girls were growing out their bangs so I'm trying to avoid cutting bangs at all costs! It will grow though mama. Hugs!

 

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We are all well. Easiest recovery by far, except for stupid hemroids. I'm getting plenty of sleep, a little sore still down there, but my bleeding has eased up alot already. I don't think I'll have 4 weeks of lochia like I did with the first 2. I'm offically down to pre-pregnancy weight! which is fantastic, and means I'll probably end up a good 5-10 lbs below this when my weight settles. Then I'll focus on actually losing weight once Theo is at least 3 months old. I am grateful for any initial weightloss but I don't try for it.

 

Norah doesn't interact much with Theo. Gabe does. He is loving having a litle brother. Likes to hold him and try to help me nurse. looks at him when he's awake. Today he picked him up out of the rock n play sleeper when he woke up crying and carried him to me. Scared me a little, but Gabe was so proud of himself for helping, that I couldn't be mad. We are in cloth diapers today bc my disposable stash is running out quickly. I don't mind at all, it's just an adjustment, as I've never really done a newborn in cloth before. Norah I had a ton of disposable diapers, and only did cloth for cuteness :)

 

Oh - and I'm getting at least 2 out of 3 to nap at one time, and that is awesome. Long may that last.
 
 

Glad to hear that things are going so well! I'd totally freak if I had seen Gabe carrying Theo...hahaha! I so hope the communal nap time continues, at least for your sake!

 

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L - how is Ava doing? How are you doing after the tooth extraction?

Took her to the dr this morning. She's down 2 lbs. greensad.gif She does not have any extra to spare so now I'm researching ways to get more calories in her. She likes ice cream but doesn't like yogurt so I guess I'm just going to have DH give her ice cream every night after dinner. I already drench her pasta in EVOO, cover everything in butter. She doesn't like PB and I don't think I could get her to eat spoonfuls of coconut oil. Any ideas? Good news is though she hasn't vomited since last night but she has zofran on board.

 

My mouth feels better. Friday was rough mostly because Ava was so clingy and didn't want anyone else to do anything for her. My mom stayed with her while I went to the dentist and then stuck around to try to help after I got home. Ava would have none of it. She didn't want me laying down in the bed or even laying down on the sofa. She wanted me sitting up on the floor with her or up moving around. It was rough. It gave me a glimpse in to what would happen if I had a second. bigeyes.gif

 

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I also wanted to say I've skipped periods by doing that with normal pills before, I did it for my wedding/honeymoon even.  These pills are different, I was reading.  They are much lower dose.  Idk.  I'm still reading.  I know the pill KILLS my libido and usually makes me gain weight, so I'm just not sure what to do anymore.

I would definitely look in to other meds or ways of softening your moods. Hormonal BC killed my libido too and I would hate to go back to that place.

post #133 of 188
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Here's something on combination oral contraceptives in general. http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~HI8nr1:1
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After 6 months postpartum, combination contraceptives, including oral tablets, the transdermal patch and vaginal ring, can be used, but progestin-only methods are preferred if breastfeeding will be continued.

Both Seasonale and Seasonique contain ethinyl estradiol (an estrogen) and levonorgestrel (a progestin). They are synthetic, not natural.

Levonorgestrel alone: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~fpO6Qn:2

I wouldn't take that long term because it completely disrupts the natural fluctuations of hormones. That's what the Norplant is, which is what I had after I had Ryan and what I think contributed to my fertility problems later. It's not available in the US anymore. Even if you did a withdrawal every 3 months to have a period, your body wouldn't have enough time to start making sufficient levels of estrogen again.
post #134 of 188

Oh crap neither of those links worked for me.  I'm already feeling totally normal and fine -- AF is almost over, so of course I do.  I think hormonal bcp is just crazy, and I know I don't *want* to be on it, but we all do things we don't want to do...and don't feel is the best/healthiest/etc all the time.  I just have to think about what that means for me.  I have time. I'm not in a rush, like I said.  Maybe it's an option for me after Finn weans.

 

Chris didn't make it to pittsburgh.  Flight was cancelled while it was on the runway, they came back to the gate and deplaned.  His brother picked him up, he got home super late (early?).  Nora woke up with a fever and I was up with her for about an hour and a half, then Finn woke at 4 am calling MAMA!  MAMA! even tho Chris was in bed with him.  Sigh.  He threw a fit and I couldn't calm him, so i tried nursing him and was faced with a dilemma.

 

Do you nurse when they are throwing a fit for nursing?  Is that rewarding the tantrum the same way if they want a cookie and they throw a fit, you give them a cookie?  You know what I mean?  I felt like he should ask for it nicely or something.  But he's still too young to get that right?  He wants boob, it's a need, not a want.  Right?  I'm right.  I just need to trust my own instincts.

Right?

 

Nora's still sick.  Fever but no other symptoms.  She's not herself.  it's sad.  

post #135 of 188
It's a need, I'd give in as long as he wasn't hurting you, like throwing or hitting, bc those behaviors aren't ok, no matter what.
Poor Nora! Feel better!
post #136 of 188

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nora

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post #137 of 188
Thread Starter 
I agree with Kat.

Those links didn't work for me, either. It said my search had expired. I just googled birth control and breastfeeding, I think. Maybe you could go to that url and type in the search parameters. There was a lot of info on the levonogestrel by itself that I just skimmed. There didn't seem to be any concerns about that and breastfeeding. I don't know if you can get that as a script to take for 3 months or it just comes in 3 week packs. Like I said, my concern would be taking progesterone for an extended period.

Hormones work on a feedback or cyclic system. The body produces the hormone until it reaches a threshold and then stops production. When the level drops to another threshold, the body is triggered to make more. It's slightly different with estrogen and progesterone because they are produced by the maturing egg and then the corpus luteum left from the mature egg, but it's essentially the same concept. Taking progesterone continuously would tell the body to not make estrogen because it would stop egg maturation. I don't think anyone knows what effect how long term estrogen depletion would have. Or, maybe they do. It's called menopause.
post #138 of 188
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whistling.gifenergy.gifkgm,,fin hfjrijbbtjtbjtghnvhbji nmmmg kkkfnn

 

 

nora

mom

 

 

 

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Haha! Looks like Nora was practicing her typing! winky.gif

post #139 of 188

Oh geez this girl!  LOL!  lol.gif

 

She always gives herself away by writing her name!

 

Surprised we all slept thru the night last night.   Pleasantly surprised!  Nora has no fever this am.  Fxed this is over?  Idk...we'll see if anyone else gets hit with it.

post #140 of 188
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Do you nurse when they are throwing a fit for nursing?  Is that rewarding the tantrum the same way if they want a cookie and they throw a fit, you give them a cookie?  You know what I mean?  I felt like he should ask for it nicely or something.  But he's still too young to get that right?  He wants boob, it's a need, not a want.  Right?  I'm right.  I just need to trust my own instincts.

Right?

 
I don't here, but that's more a personal issue. I can't nurse her when she's throwing a fit, it makes me so angry and bitter to be nursing and I don't ever want nursing to be a bitter thing for us. So I calm her in other ways and then the second she calms down, I'll pop her on before she starts enough again. But I can't pop her on mid-freakout.  BUT-- like you said-- trust your instincts! Go with what feels right to -you- in that case. 
 
I don't know what happened, but I woke up yesterday feeling incredibly sore and like I'd been beaten up all over. It progressed throughout the day, and by evening I was in so much pain I felt like I'd been literally beaten and left for dead. Turning my head causes flashes of pain, walking, moving my back at all. Even my toes feel like they're broken. I need two hands to pick up the freaking container of hot chocolate. No idea what it is. Other than feeling a bit hot, I feel fine other than this pain. Poor Ten, I'm so useless. I have a feeling the tv isn't turning off today. I can't even pick her up without having to brace myself and swear under my breath. 
 
Noras typing is so cute!!  Crossing my fingers for you guys!
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