Shocking revelation about formaldehyde in pears - it's 120 times more than in a vaccine! - Page 2

[serenbat]

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel The formaldehyde in a pear isn't sprayed on. It's naturally occurring.

you need to do more googling, it is sprayed on pears and other fruits AND other foods as well - naturally occurring and sprayed on

It's real important to understand the difference between naturally occurring and sprayed on. That does change the levels and the effects. 

[Rrrrrachel]

The amounts listed here are not taking sprayed into account.

[serenbat]

Rrrrrachel, I doubt it would make one bit of difference to you what anyone would say or show you regarding ingesting vs a vaccine.

What difference does it make in how you feel? So what, will it stop you from vaccinating?

And really do you think someone will start to vaccinate because of the levels in a pear?............................

                                                       good luck with that one! 

[nia82]

But frankly formaldehyde is not what makes me skeptical about vaccines (neither do the leftover antibiotics for that matter). It's the other things. Also, the ingestion vs. injection is a very important thing to consider. Our digestive tracts do an amazing job - but if you inject something straight into muscle tissue, it's in. It bypassed the body's systems big time. That's why I personally am in big favor of vaccines that mimic the natural route of infection (there was a measles inhaled vaccine e.g. in trials - haven't heard of it in a while).

[Rrrrrachel]

Serenbat I don't think the levels in a pear are particularly compelling either way, personally. I just want people to have accurate information.

[Rrrrrachel]

Nia, fortunately the digestive tract isn't the bodies only defense system. Vaccines enter the body through the lymph system, which is also pretty darned good at isolating and eliminating various kinds of invaders.

[serenbat]

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Originally Posted by nia82 

But frankly formaldehyde is not what makes me skeptical about vaccines (neither do the leftover antibiotics for that matter). It's the other things. Also, the ingestion vs. injection is a very important thing to consider.

I certainly agree. The pro-vac side pushing a pear as a fair comparison is naive at best - IMO

There are people that do know about dangers of formaldehyde (many businesses use it-hair/beauty/funeral, etc) and also associate it with Katrina and the trailers, just the mere mention of the word is enough form some - so using the "peach" to ease fears (or what ever) is not the way I would go with it. I don't suppose a can of tuna would be of much help either- usually that is what gets a lot of women to start questing vaccines, having been told to lay off it for 9 months. I frankly see it as silly on the Pro-vac side- hey go for it, as safe as a peach, all warm & fuzzy!!! ETA-maybe they should just do a photo of a peach being injected with a vaccine and see how many feel good about offering it to their children

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel  I just want people to have accurate information.

I've seen the other stuff you post..................fairy dust~ ~and unicorns!

Edited by serenbat - 3/16/13 at 4:45pm

[Rrrrrachel]

As usual, let me know when you're ready to have a discussion like an adult.

[serenbat]

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As usual, let me know when you're ready to have a discussion like an adult.

YOU tend to want to make things personal- all the time. 

[prosciencemum]

I never claimed the info graphic was the end of all vaccine research. I just think its an interesting comparison.

Although personally it's the tiny amounts (of anything) in vaccines, along with that they are only occasional events, which makes me so sure they can't be to blame for increase in chronic health conditions. Well that and any lack of convincing evidence linking them to chronic health conditions.

[prosciencemum]

And it's a good point about the source of data. I was actually thinking to suggest on the Facebook page that these memes should include a link to primary data.

[serenbat]

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Originally Posted by Jennyanydots I just ate a whole bunch of mushrooms and goat cheese in balsamic vinegar and oil, but there's no way you could talk me into injecting even a fraction of what I ate into my kid's arm, no matter how small the amount.  Just because it's edible does not mean it is injectable.

we just finished our meal with some dried shiitakes, a full amount of formaldehyde but no ethylene glycol

[MissCee]

Formaldehyde is one of the last things I'm concerned about in vaccines to be quite honest . . did anyone manage to find a link to the source where the information is from?

I know it's besides the point, but this page is just terrible IMO. They have this picture posted as well:

[Rrrrrachel]

You can find the information any number of places.

[serenbat]

You can find JUNK any number of places. Accurate information is different.

So when you look at just pears, they can range from 38 to 60-if you want to look at misleading pasted together stuff and view it as science go right a head. When you see a site and you believe all they are putting out, I guess you will just repost it and think nothing of it.

And it's very easy to see who the site affiliates it self with, science-finding out~why is this any different? - if you are into this from those who spout extremest views (yes, we view it the same way-you love calling us non-PRO vaccers extremest at times too) you will buy what they put out, and don't forget to keep saying you are on the side of science! 

ETA- Many here do not favor giving mothering a platform for Paul Offit, he's not the only one out there!  

Edited by serenbat - 3/17/13 at 4:58am

[Rrrrrachel]

What are you talking about?

There's not a single source for this information. The amount of formaldahyde in vaccines is readily available, an the amount of formaldahyde in common foods is, too. Stick them together and there you go!

[serenbat]

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There's not a single source for this information.

Do you intentionally not read what I post? 

I did not say singles source- please! The "information" speaks for it self.

[Rrrrrachel]

I read what you say. But I hardly ever understand it.

[serenbat]

I highly doubt that you will understand this either.

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I read what you say.

This is not credible, if it were so you would have seen that I did not say single source and you didn't.

You seem to relish in putting words in when they are not there! That adds to a difficulty in having a adult dialogue, my 5 year old does that, I understand a child doing so.

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 But I hardly ever understand it.

This is very reflective -IMO as to why you are so inthralled with the other "information"  that is posted, credible or not, sourced well or not. 

I'm really hungry for pears after this discussion, too bad they are not in season in my area. 

[Rrrrrachel]

Serenbat I'm not going to engage with you if you're going to continue to be like this. How is this furthering the conversation?