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post #41 of 125
3/17/13 at 6:39am
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Serenbat I'm not going to engage with you if you're going to continue to be like this.

very simple, have the dignity to not put words in my mouth, it's childish when you do so and this is often

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post #42 of 125
3/17/13 at 6:47am
It was not my intention to put words in your mouth. I was clarifying my earlier response to misscee.
post #43 of 125
3/17/13 at 6:51am
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It was not my intention to put words in your mouth. I was clarifying my earlier response to misscee.

 

REALLY?!

 

 

geee, how could I have thought you were directing it at me- SINCE it was right after my comment and you never mentioned misscee- that is so misleading isn't it?

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What are you talking about?  ???

There's not a single source for this information. The amount of formaldahyde in vaccines is readily available, an the amount of formaldahyde in common foods is, too. Stick them together and there you go!
post #44 of 125
3/17/13 at 7:22am
It's all very clear your post directly after misscee!! Wow what a pattern here, so typical of other threads too- spin, divert, change topic & go after me personally.
post #45 of 125
3/17/13 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Nia, fortunately the digestive tract isn't the bodies only defense system. Vaccines enter the body through the lymph system, which is also pretty darned good at isolating and eliminating various kinds of invaders.


There are differences between the digestive system and the lymph system.

1. The digestive system has a series of acids and alkalies that chemically alter the substances. The lymph system does not. There is no chemical alteration of substances in the lymph system.

2. The digestive system has it's own excretory function, and can directly eliminate unwanted particles. The lymph system does not. It must rely on the liver (which has no excretory function) or the kidneys to remove and excrete.

3. The digestive system is separate from the circulatory system, so all particles must go through something of the process before being able to get into the circulatory system and reach the brain. The lymph system is a part of the circulatory system (a side system), and therefore it is possible for some of the particles injected into the muscle to end up directly in the circulatory system, and reach the brain, unchecked.


Therefore, it is illogical to equate something eaten with something injected. The systems are different.
post #46 of 125
3/17/13 at 7:28am

IMO, there was some really good content on this thread up several posts before things got personal and totally OT.  Some members are posting with the "Big girl panties" guidelines in mind while forgetting the greater goal of the forum. Please revisit the UA as you continue to post. 

 

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We have intelligent, passionate, and wise voices posting frequently to the Vaccinations forum. We certainly want to keep the forum atmosphere a place where they can do so with their passion intact. However, that passion must also carry a measure of compassion and respect, regardless of who is posting and what they are saying. While no one should be labeled as irresponsible or uninformed for deciding to vaccinate, neither should parents here who have chosen to not vaccinate be accused of irresponsibility, not caring for their child, or presenting a threat to others. Please respect each other and refrain from statements that are condescending, hurtful, judgmental, and belittling. Everyone should acknowledge and abide by the guidelines of this forum so that all members of MDC will feel more comfortable posting here. Responding harshly to parents in need of info who perhaps asked in the wrong way, asked without reading the archives, or posted in a way that felt inappropriate has caused some to turn away from the forum. We want to do what we can to ensure that this does not happen. 

 

And, if you are having a really hard time connecting with a member fro ma place of compassion and respect, the ignore feature can be a handy tool. 

post #47 of 125
3/17/13 at 7:29am

Thanks to Pek for getting back to the topic. 

post #48 of 125
3/17/13 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by pek64View PostTherefore, it is illogical to equate something eaten with something injected.

yeahthat.gif and the whole post too!

 

it's easy to just make them equal and call it a day (the picture is just a soundbite to me- meaning the same, a grand diversion) - see same as in a pear, no problem here

 

ethylene glycol is missing from this conversation, but if we go there it makes the pear irrelevant - IMO

post #49 of 125
3/20/13 at 4:40am

After a little bit of research, I can say that the meme is completely wrong.  FORMaldehyde is not in pears, although pears and other plants contain -aldehydes, which are a chemical functional group made of a carbon at the end of a carbon chain double bonded to an oxygen and single bonded to a hydrogen.  It is a common and widespread functional group, which by itself is usually harmless.  Almond extract is made entirely of benzaldehyde.  Vanillin is a derivative of benzaldehyde.  Cinnamon flavoring is also a derivative of benzaldehyde.  FORMaldehyde is just the functional group by itself, and is so unstable that they react it to add a methyl group and mix it with water to increase stability.  Then they call it formalin, and it is a carcinogen. 

 

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/mmg.asp?id=216&tid=39

 

Scientists speak a completely different language.  Problems arise when laypeople don't understand scientific lingo.  For example, organic chemistry just means carbon-based chemistry, and can refer to toxic, cancer-causing chemicals.  And MRI scans should correctly be called Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging, because it refers to the nucleus of the atom (the protons), but the word nuclear was scary to people, so they dropped it. 

post #50 of 125
3/20/13 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by EarthRootsStarSoul View Post

After a little bit of research, I can say that the meme is completely wrong.  FORMaldehyde is not in pears, although pears and other plants contain -aldehydes, which are a chemical functional group made of a carbon at the end of a carbon chain double bonded to an oxygen and single bonded to a hydrogen.  It is a common and widespread functional group, which by itself is usually harmless.  Almond extract is made entirely of benzaldehyde.  Vanillin is a derivative of benzaldehyde.  Cinnamon flavoring is also a derivative of benzaldehyde.  FORMaldehyde is just the functional group by itself, and is so unstable that they react it to add a methyl group and mix it with water to increase stability.  Then they call it formalin, and it is a carcinogen. 

 

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/mmg.asp?id=216&tid=39

 

Scientists speak a completely different language.  Problems arise when laypeople don't understand scientific lingo.  For example, organic chemistry just means carbon-based chemistry, and can refer to toxic, cancer-causing chemicals.  And MRI scans should correctly be called Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging, because it refers to the nucleus of the atom (the protons), but the word nuclear was scary to people, so they dropped it. 

but does it matter? - if you can "think" it's just the same, that makes anyone who says differently crazy! and in the end it's just a sound bite of such - did you see the other "pictures" the site had too? see question something- YOU are the misinformed one, doesn't matter what evidence there is or lack there of! 

post #51 of 125
3/20/13 at 5:02am
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Originally Posted by EarthRootsStarSoul View Post

After a little bit of research, I can say that the meme is completely wrong.  FORMaldehyde is not in pears, although pears and other plants contain -aldehydes, which are a chemical functional group made of a carbon at the end of a carbon chain double bonded to an oxygen and single bonded to a hydrogen.  It is a common and widespread functional group, which by itself is usually harmless.  Almond extract is made entirely of benzaldehyde.  Vanillin is a derivative of benzaldehyde.  Cinnamon flavoring is also a derivative of benzaldehyde.  FORMaldehyde is just the functional group by itself, and is so unstable that they react it to add a methyl group and mix it with water to increase stability.  Then they call it formalin, and it is a carcinogen. 

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/mmg.asp?id=216&tid=39

Scientists speak a completely different language.  Problems arise when laypeople don't understand scientific lingo.  For example, organic chemistry just means carbon-based chemistry, and can refer to toxic, cancer-causing chemicals.  And MRI scans should correctly be called Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging, because it refers to the nucleus of the atom (the protons), but the word nuclear was scary to people, so they dropped it. 


It may be true that lay people can misunderstand, but this thread was started by a scientist, folks.
post #52 of 125
3/20/13 at 5:06am
Thread Starter 

This is the data source for the meme: http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf 

(where you go to is you use the link posted at the bottom of the image which has been added presumably because of complaints about the missing primary reference). 

post #53 of 125
3/20/13 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post

This is the data source for the meme: http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf 
(where you go to is you use the link posted at the bottom of the image which has been added presumably because of complaints about the missing primary reference). 



I tried the link and got 'page not found'.
post #54 of 125
3/20/13 at 5:26am
Thread Starter 

Hmm. Try http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf 

(MDC seemed to add some odd characters at the end of the last go). 

post #55 of 125
3/20/13 at 6:14am
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post

Hmm. Try http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf 

(MDC seemed to add some odd characters at the end of the last go). 

Alright. I read it. It didn't respond at all to ERSS's post concerning the difference between formaldehyde and naturally occurring chemicals. The point, if I understood it correctly, is that what is in foods, like pears, is different than what is in vaccines. How do you respond to that assertion?
post #56 of 125
3/20/13 at 6:27am
Earthrootstarsoul, I'd like to see some evidence for that claim, since its contrary to what I've seen elsewhere, including websites that have nothing to do with vaccination.
Edited by Rrrrrachel - 3/20/13 at 6:53am
post #57 of 125
3/20/13 at 6:30am
Rrrrrrachel, I am asking prosciencemum. You can do whatever research you'd like.
post #58 of 125
3/20/13 at 6:46am

Rrrrrrachel, I am asking prosciencemum.

 

Pek, I'm confused - if you are asking prosciencemum only, and don't want anyone else to respond, why don't you send her a private message rather than posting to a publicly-available forum (one which can be read by non-members, even?)

Am I missing something here? Would like to clarify forum procedure.

post #59 of 125
3/20/13 at 6:52am
Pek I wasn't even responding to you.
post #60 of 125
3/20/13 at 6:54am
Thread Starter 

Was in the middle of composing a reply when my browser crashed. Grrr.

 

Will provide a useful link I found though: 

 

http://justthevax.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/toxin-gambit-part-1-formaldehyde.html

 

I had picked out the relevent bits (and references) and dug in, but have to get back to work, so I'll leave you to read it for yourself. 

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