Parents want the truth about the flu vaccine

[Mirzam]

This is a superb article by Hilary Butler, lots of stats and quotes.

http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary%27s_Desk/post/Parents_want_the_truth_about_the_flu_vaccine,__Professor_Phillips/

[Taximom5]

After reading those facts about the lack of effectiveness of the flu jab, it's a wonder that anyone would even consider getting a flu jab. And she didn't even mention the fact that the pediatric flu jab was pulled off the European and Australian markets because they caused narcolepsy, a lifelong disorder that has quite a bit of overlap with seizure disorders.

And after considering the strong-arm tactics used to push other vaccines, it certainly calls into question the safety/efficacy of other vaccines as well.

[Rrrrrachel]

Wasn't that h1n1 not regular flu vaccine?

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Wasn't that h1n1 not regular flu vaccine?

"Regular flu vaccine" includes h1n1: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

"The seasonal flu vaccine protects against three influenza viruses that research indicates will be most common during the upcoming season. Three kinds of influenza viruses commonly circulate among people today: influenza B viruses, influenza A (H1N1) viruses, and influenza A (H3N2) viruses. Each year, one flu virus of each kind is used to produce seasonal influenza vaccine.

 

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[Rrrrrachel]

Right, but I thought the problems overseas were specifically with the stand alone h1n1 vaccine. (And they have nothing to do with the flu vaccine used here in the us.)

[Rrrrrachel]

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/h1n1_narcolepsy_pandemrix.html

Quote:

Pandemrix is manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline in Europe and was specifically produced for pandemic 2009 H1N1 influenza. It was not used before 2009, and has not been used since the influenza pandemic season (2009-2010)

Quote:

Pandemrix was not licensed for use in the United States. In fact, no adjuvanted influenza vaccines are licensed in the United States, and no adjuvanted influenza vaccines were used in the United States during the influenza pandemic or in any other influenza season.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Right, but I thought the problems overseas were specifically with the stand alone h1n1 vaccine. (And they have nothing to do with the flu vaccine used here in the us.)

Nothing to do with the flu vaccine used here in the US?  Are you certain?  Did you research every ingredient, every possible source of contamination, every lab that was used, to be sure that none of the vaccines share ANYTHING?

Have they determined exactly what ingredient in Pandemrix was responsible for the narcolepsy reactions?

[prosciencemum]

It was one brand of the pandemic h1n1 flu vaccine in Europe. I think I read they are suggesting a new adjuvant may be the problem. This has never been licensed for use in the us, and is no longer in use in Europe. We've had threads before on here talking about this finding.

One interesting point to me is that they pulled this brand of vaccine very quickly and are taking the safety concerns very seriously - even though it was just a small increase in the rate of narcolepsy (which does happen in the absence of vaccines too).

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Nothing to do with the flu vaccine used here in the US?  Are you certain?  Did you research every ingredient, every possible source of contamination, every lab that was used, to be sure that none of the vaccines share ANYTHING?

Have they determined exactly what ingredient in Pandemrix was responsible for the narcolepsy reactions?

Quote:

The paper mentions the use of ASO3 the adjuvant found in Pandemrix but declines to say if that was one of the causes or not. The report says;

http://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/NewsEvents/NewlightinPandemrixandNarcolepsy.aspx#.UUmU4xyG11I

[emmy526]

Quote:

Pandemrix was not licensed for use in the United States. In fact, no adjuvanted influenza vaccines are licensed in the United States, and no adjuvanted influenza vaccines were used in the United States during the influenza pandemic or in any other influenza season.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/h1n1_narcolepsy_pandemrix.html

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Nothing to do with the flu vaccine used here in the US?  Are you certain?  Did you research every ingredient, every possible source of contamination, every lab that was used, to be sure that none of the vaccines share ANYTHING?


Have they determined exactly what ingredient in Pandemrix was responsible for the narcolepsy reactions?

Pretty sure they've concluded it was the adjuvant.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Pretty sure they've concluded it was the adjuvant.

Could you please post a source?

[Rrrrrachel]

I already did.

[prosciencemum]

Here's a thread where we discussed this before: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1375521/more-to-think-about-pandemrix-narcolepsy

(or just search "narcolepsy" or "pandremix" in MDC - they have a fantastic search engine).

[Escaping]

Isn't the flu shot different from year to year and varies from one country to the other?

In Canada in 2009 there was a separate vaccine for H1N1.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Pretty sure they've concluded it was the adjuvant.

Could you please provide a link plus a quote, so we know exactly who concluded that it was the adjuvant, exactly which adjuvant it was, and exactly how they determined this.

thank you.

[prosciencemum]

Taxi - I'm answering for Rrrrrachel. 

Here's a link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/pandemrix-narcolepsy-swine-flu-shot-britain_n_2588859.html

Here's a quote: 

Quote:

The abstract shows that the research team, led by Liz Miller, a consultant epidemiologist at the UK Health Protection Agency (HPA), found an almost 10-fold increased risk in cases of the sleep disorder in children seen in sleep centres who had been immunised with Pandemrix.

Here's another link (to Elizabeth Miller's published article): http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f794

And another quote: 

Quote:

The increased risk of narcolepsy after vaccination with ASO3 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 vaccine indicates a causal association, consistent with findings from Finland. Because of variable delay in diagnosis, however, the risk might be overestimated by more rapid referral of vaccinated children.

[Rrrrrachel]

Taxi I've already posted the only source I'm going to. Feel free to draw your own conclusions

[prosciencemum]

Originally Posted by Escaping 

Isn't the flu shot different from year to year and varies from one country to the other?

In Canada in 2009 there was a separate vaccine for H1N1.

Yes it does/can. Often the base is the same, just the virus is changed (ie. same adjuvants, preservatives etc., new inactivated virus). 2009 was a special case because of the concerns of the possibility of an H1N1 pandemic. In the UK we also had two separate vaccines that year (both of which I got as I was pregnant at the time and concerned about reports of the severity of flu in pregnant women). 

PS. My son is fine. No allergies. No autism (he's over 3 now). No chronic illnesses. Doesn't sleep at night by himself very well (prefer's Mummy's bed), but I don't think I can blame that on vaccines! ;)  

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Taxi I've already posted the only source I'm going to. Feel free to draw your own conclusions

I'm mystified as to why you refuse to answer a simple request.

You were the one who said that "they" (whoever "they" are ) had determined that it was the adjuvant in Pandemrix that caused the narcolepsy cases.

I would like to know WHO determined that it was specifically the adjuvant in Pandemrix (and not some other ingredient or combination of ingredients) that had caused the narcolepsy cased, and HOW they came to that conclusion.

I'm just asking you to provide both a link and a quote so that I can better understand this.

If you feel that you have already provided exactly the information I'm requesting, perhaps you could be so kind as to copy and paste it into a reply?

thanks so much!