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post #21 of 55
Which may be the brand used by my pediatrician. Which means I either authorize it's use, or have to shop for another pediatrician. Do you think all mothers have the time and money to make a well check-up appt, take the child, then discover the problem with the vaccine, refuse vaccination, find another doctor, make another appt, take the child (again), ... and THEN what? If the first doctor was a great fit, except for the vaccine, should she go back?

You have a dismissive attitude about this.

If one brand has mercury, then that vaccine must be counted. So, there is the DTaP and flu vaccines with mercury. The "no childhood vaccines" statement has been disproved twice.

Edited to clarify -- this is in response to Rrrrachel's post that there is one brand.
post #22 of 55
I disagree. If the vaccine is available without thimerosal (an especially if the only one that does have it only has a trace) then it's still true that a child can have all the vaccines on the schedule with no thimerosal.

And yes, vaccine manufacturers have to do extensive quality control testing on every lot that goes out.
post #23 of 55
For interested parties, here's more detailed information on the thimerosal status of various vaccines.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
post #24 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

I disagree. If the vaccine is available without thimerosal (an especially if the only one that does have it only has a trace) then it's still true that a child can have all the vaccines on the schedule with no thimerosal.

 

Wow, what word games you like to play!

Yes, it is possible for a child--ONE single, individual child--to have all the vaccines on the schedule with no thimerosal.

 

But, because the flu shot is on the schedule, and because most of the flu shots are only available as thimerosal-preserved, it is not possible for ALL children to have all the vaccines on the schedule with no thimerosal.

post #25 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

I disagree. If the vaccine is available without thimerosal (an especially if the only one that does have it only has a trace) then it's still true that a child can have all the vaccines on the schedule with no thimerosal.

And yes, vaccine manufacturers have to do extensive quality control testing on every lot that goes out.

It may be true for A child, and NOT true for MY child. Therefore, it must be counted.

And I do not trust quality control testing easily. As someone with food allergies/intolerances, I have to be very choosey about brands, because some companies' quality control procedures are not sufficient for my needs.
post #26 of 55
According to the CDC there are around 60 million doses of thim free flu vaccine a year.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm

4 million people born a year . . . It's a shortage but not a huge one.

I'm not going to bicker about this anymore.
post #27 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

According to the CDC there are around 60 million doses of thim free flu vaccine a year.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm

4 million people born a year . . . It's a shortage but not a huge one.

I'm not going to bicker about this anymore.

4 million people born a year is actually not relevant.

 

60 million doses of thimerosal-free flu vaccine

US population:  315.5 MILLION 

 

Wow, for a stats teacher, your difficulties with math are really surprising.  Or maybe not.


Edited by Taximom5 - 3/25/13 at 10:38am
post #28 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

According to the CDC there are around 60 million doses of thim free flu vaccine a year.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm

4 million people born a year . . . It's a shortage but not a huge one.

I'm not going to bicker about this anymore.

well, we had shortages in my state this past year (and we are a large producer state of the flu vaccine), it was real enough that in Delaware they DID NOT have enough and because of the shortage, they relaxed their law to allow pregnant women to NOT get the thirmerasol free - I had posted this in another section at the time

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local//healthscience/50003-in-face-of-flu-vaccine-shortage-delaware-relaxes-ban-on-thimerasol

 

there were shortages in lots of states - http://www.doh.wa.gov/PublicHealthandHealthcareProviders/PublicHealthSystemResourcesandServices/Immunization/FluVaccineMercurySuspension.aspx

post #29 of 55
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

4 million people born a year is actually not relevant.

60 million doses of thimerosal-free flu vaccine
US population:  315.5 BILLION 

Wow, for a stats teacher, your difficulties with math are really surprising.  Or maybe not.

If we're talking about availability for children, yes, the number born a year is relevant. If you're changing the criteria to decide if there's enough for everyone in the us that obviously changes things.
post #30 of 55
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

4 million people born a year is actually not relevant.

 

60 million doses of thimerosal-free flu vaccine

US population:  315.5 BILLION 

 

Wow, for a stats teacher, your difficulties with math are really surprising.  Or maybe not.

 

The US population is approximately 314 MILLION, not billion.

post #31 of 55
Good catch. The world population is under 7 billion.
post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post


If we're talking about availability for children, yes, the number born a year is relevant. If you're changing the criteria to decide if there's enough for everyone in the us that obviously changes things.

 

 

I'm not changing criteria.  The topic is whether or not children receive thimerosal-preserved flu shots.

 

You can twist things all you want, but you're not convincing anybody that just because thimerosal-free flu shots exist, that necessarily means that those shots are being given to children and pregnant women.

 

It has been posted over and over again that most doctors are not giving thimerosal-free shots unless the patient specifically requests them--and even then, they are often charged more, because (obviously) those pre-loaded, single-use syringes are more expensive.

 

 

Are you somehow unaware that the thimerosal-free vaccines are not set aside as pediatric doses, but are available for all age groups who wish to avoid thimerosal?

 

Are you somehow unaware that many parents use pharmacies in Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, Walgreens, CVS, Rite-Aid, and even their grocery stores as family flu shot clinics?  And that those stores do not typically stock thimerosal-free flu shots, nor do they inform people that their flu shots are thimerosal-preserved?

 

Apparently, it means an awful lot to you to try to convince us that children aren't being injected with thimerosal-preserved flu shots, when of course, they are...

post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post

 

The US population is approximately 314 MILLION, not billion.

Good catch.  I will edit.

post #34 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

According to the CDC there are around 60 million doses of thim free flu vaccine a year.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm

4 million people born a year . . . It's a shortage but not a huge one.

I'm not going to bicker about this anymore.

 

315 MILLION - 60 MILLION thimerosal free does, still does not equal a little bit-IMO

 

the US has 1/4 it's population under 20 and factor in pregnant women/those who plan to be- it equals shortage no matter how you spin it 

post #35 of 55
To clarify again, we were talking about children.
post #36 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

To clarify again, we were talking about children.

Are you under the false impression that only children receive thimersosal free flu vaccine?

 

I know a whole family of adults that asked and got it and none are of childbearing age.

post #37 of 55
If you think the general population of the us is more relevant for a variety of reasons, that's fine. Just say so. But I think my reason for phrasing it that way was reasonable. Reasonable people can disagree.
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post

Are you under the false impression that only children receive thimersosal free flu vaccine?

 

 

No, she is trying to convince readers that children aren't really given thimerosal-preserved flu shots.shrug.gif

 

And to that end, she's trying to shift the focus to us, claiming that we are somehow changing the criteria, we think the general population of the us is more relevant than children, blah blah blah, instead of admitting that infants, children, and pregnant women are actually given thimerosal-preserved flu shots.

 

We've seen these tactics before.

post #39 of 55
Wtf taxi,they're not tactics. I'm not sitting in some secret strategy meeting every other Wednesday. It's impossible to have a discussion with this kind of tone.

Of course children infants and pregnant women get thimerosal preserved vaccines. My own child got one. My only point is THEY DONT HAVE TO.
post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

No, she is trying to convince readers that children aren't really given thimerosal-preserved flu shots.shrug.gif

 

And to that end, she's trying to shift the focus to us, claiming that we are somehow changing the criteria, we think the general population of the us is more relevant than children, blah blah blah, instead of admitting that infants, children, and pregnant women are actually given thimerosal-preserved flu shots.

 

We've seen these tactics before.

of course she it! it happens in most every single thread winky.gif same old thing

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