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post #321 of 481

I don't know if this is reassuring or frightening to you, but much of the original intent behind the compulsory public school system was to turn a potentially unruly population of new immigrants into compliant workers for the factories of the industrial revolution. One of the inspirations for American public schooling was the Prussian military school model because it was so effective at producing compliance with authoritarian order. So public education has always been driven by government and corporations. There's nothing new there. Our schools are a reflection of our society, constructed and influenced by those in positions of power. And the reason that 150 to 200 years of governmental/industrial/corporate agenda hasn't turned all of us into drones is that this agenda is filtered through teachers who have the best interests of their individual students at heart, and by children who are engaged learners and want to drive their own educations.

 

Miranda

post #322 of 481
But they had school before that. Have you read Laura Ingals Wilder? They had schools in Civil War times. I'm appalled and this is surreal.
post #323 of 481
They did not have compulsory government schools. That's relatively recent. ETA: The first compulsory attendance laws came in in 1874 in New York, as late as the early 1900s in lots of states. Prior to that children were casually schooled at home, or went to private schools, community-run schools or parochial schools.

Miranda
Edited by moominmamma - 1/8/14 at 9:35pm
post #324 of 481
This is quite interesting. My husband is a science teacher who was more or less trained in how to use Common Core because he just finished up a Masters in Education that focused on all the new standards being used here in Florida, including CC. For science, he seems to have no problem with it as a teacher. Now, he does teach at an alternative education site for juvenile offenders, most of whom have had limited schooling, and so have of his work is just teaching them how to read and do math, but my impression of CC overall is that it's pretty well thought out, I've watched several videos by the creators of the standards and what was discussed seemed quite valid.
Of course, my son is only 1 year old and so I have no experience with CC as a parent of a child using it in school. I went to a Waldorf school myself, and have little regard for most public schools. If my son does attend a public school, we'll see what my husband and I really think about.
post #325 of 481
In NY we haven't gotten to science yet. Welcome to the board btw. I don't know anything about other school programs like the ones mentioned on this site but it sounds good. Anything different sounds good to me right now. Is your husband asked to keep hush hush about CC and not talk about it with parents? That's what is happening in NY. Here is a good article that explains a senator's in NY objection to common core.

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Common-ground-for-students-5121375.php#src=fb
post #326 of 481
Oh my God I got the best news today for my state!!!!!

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S6267-2013

Miracles do occur!!! Here is a petition to sign if you are interested in supporting something that is hurting my state of NY.

http://www.nysenate.gov/webform/petition-stop-common-core-new-york-state

My faith in God has just been restored!!!!
post #327 of 481
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Originally Posted by slbrooks View Post

Oh my God I got the best news today for my state!!!!!

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S6267-2013

Miracles do occur!!! Here is a petition to sign if you are interested in supporting something that is hurting my state of NY.

http://www.nysenate.gov/webform/petition-stop-common-core-new-york-state

My faith in God has just been restored!!!!
post #328 of 481
Sorry I'm so excited I had to post it twice. smile.gif
post #329 of 481
I became interested in the politics of this issue, which is undeniable given the sources for many of the articles linked in this thread - some that are repugnant to me.  
 
I thought this article did a good job of explaining the politics behind some of the debate we're seeing:  
 
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 Beck’s soul mate Michelle Malkin warned that the Common Core was “about top-down control engineered through government-administered tests and left-wing textbook monopolies.” Before long, FreedomWorks — the love child of Koch brothers cash and Tea Party passion — and the American Principles Project, a religious-right lobby, had joined the cause. Opponents have mobilized Tea Partyers to barnstorm in state capitals and boiled this complex issue down to an obvious slogan, “ObamaCore!”

 

If applying the philosophy "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" puts any person in a place where the Koch brothers are their friend...well, I'd say it's time for a change in philosophy - especially if limiting corporate power and influence is a goal. 

post #330 of 481

This is a concern of mine, but in the current climate, it remains with or without the CC.

 

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 There are Common Core critics on the left as well, who argue that the accountability movement makes teachers scapegoats for problems caused mainly by poverty.
post #331 of 481
So far I have just been seeing concerned parents. I'm not sure in this day and age that there really is a difference between parities anymore. An individual has a right to believe what they want. I've told you that I am democratic but doesn't mean I will vote that way. I am going to look at the candidates very toughly when I vote. Nothing in that article I am sure can be proven inaccurate, but I couldn't finish it honestly when we go back to talking politics and left or whatever. This fight is beyond politics it's about getting the corporations out. I don't want to have to tell my children one day well we used to be a democracy! Really that is what I am scared of to a point. This is untested and our children are the guinea pigs. This is not good for New York or the rest of the country. Did you see Obama's speech yesterday? If you didn't find anything wrong with it then blessed to you.
post #332 of 481
Brooks, I have read every link you posted - no matter how carelessly sourced. Two of mine you say you can't read.

You want corporations out of politics? Me too. All I can say is its a good thing you're looking closely at who you'll vote for.

But, again, unless you recognize that sources really do matter, you'll end up voting against your interests, at least at this rate.
post #333 of 481
Sorry I don't care about politics or political debates. I'll look for the information on the candidates at the local library.
post #334 of 481
You are not exactly detailing me with specifics.
post #335 of 481

She referenced the Koch brothers as a corporate interest.  How much more specific do you need?

post #336 of 481
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Originally Posted by slbrooks View Post

Sorry I don't care about politics or political debates. I'll look for the information on the candidates at the local library.

 

And you should care whom you are counting as allies.  It impacts your credibility.

post #337 of 481
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Originally Posted by slbrooks View Post

You are not exactly detailing me with specifics.

Start here: http://www.people-press.org/2011/05/04/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology/

 

Brooks, limiting corporate influence on politics (and from there, schools) is a progressive idea. It is also an idea that the Tea Party claims to support but I am personally skeptical about that claim. It feels like pandering to me. 

 

Many of the sites you linked here are very much political sites. And, in many ways the "top-down" (to borrow a phrase from your sources) decisions that get made about schools are political. You can't just say this isn't political for you because most of what you're talking about is politics. This is politics. 

 

The thing is that in putting your support behind anyone in politics you are expressing some conflict of interests. It's a matter of finding the forces to support that go best along with your interests. That's why in part many here have suggested that you really soul search about what it is exactly that you care about -- because in this thread you have touched on LOTS of stuff -- some of which is well enough supported by the Tea Party, some of which is absolutely opposed to what that group stands for. 

 

If you want to get the money out of politics...follow the money!  Look for the people that are talking campaign finance reform. Skip the New World Order. They are a joke. 

 

Finally, I don't know how primary voting works in NY but you will want to look into that. In some states you must be a registered member of a particular party in order to vote in the primary elections for that party. I know you said you have not voted but are a democrat. If you are a registered democrat, it may be that you are not able to weigh in as you would like at the polls. Worth looking into now - while you're at the library!  

post #338 of 481
I don't even know who the Koch brothers are.
post #339 of 481
Oh okay I guess I'm a bystander but I'm going to be voting. I haven't voted in many years but I will start now. Frankly this is an interesting article but that's about it. I didn't want to stop reading.

Just wondering if the surveys made people want to pull their hair out in confusion! Like the tests the kids take! LOL.
post #340 of 481

Brooks, that article I sent you is 14 pages long!  Read the rest... 

 

Start here with the Koch brothers: http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=6460127

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