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post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by Loogiejane View Post

I just tested pos for GBS and, how awesome, yeast. Both "heavy growth". Awesoooooooome. 

 

I've been using garlic on and off throughout my pregnancy (tested positive for GBS at 18 weeks with "scant growth" so have done it on and off) but am gonna get more serious about it now. Really not looking forward to doing it every friggin single night for the next 4 weeks though. I also don't want to trick the test (for when I get tested again). I know people say GBS isnt a huge deal but I don't want to take my chances. I do plan to take antibiotics during my homebirth and I'm just sort of worried if I am good about doing garlic every night and test negative that it could come back 2 days before labor and i dont know it. So it's this weird situation to be in. I do feel badly about the idea of my baby getting antibiotics :( and am scared at the idea of him/her getting thrush and then us passing it back and forth but if I still have yeast down there he/she may get thrush anyway. 

 

Ugh, why can't I just be normal!irked.gif

 

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Originally Posted by TwilightJoy View Post

I'm being tested next Friday (in 8 days). Ideally I want to be negative, and negative at birth. However, if I'm positive, I want to do the antibiotics at birth. Will inserting the garlic cause a "false" negative? If I insert the garlic this week and get a negative, does that mean I need to insert the garlic every day for the next ~4 weeks until birth?

 

Thing is, even if you were negative at 36, 37, 38 weeks (at any particular time) you could still be GBS+ on the day babe is born.  Even if you were GBS+ when you were tested and did nothing to get rid of the level of colonization, you could be GBS- the day babe is born.  So it's really a crap shoot.  The test is accurate the day it is taken, that's it.  So you wouldn't "trick" the test, it would just tell you if you were colonized (or not) on that day.  

 

Ina May Gaskin's "Guide to Childbirth" has a list of these secondary factors (early rupture of waters, low birth weight, preterm birth, fever in mom during labor, high colonization, long labor, frequent vaginal exams...).

 

This is the part that is interesting in the book (to me):

 

"For years, the American College of Obstetritions and Gynecologists, the Centers for Disease Control, and the American College of Nurse Midwives recommended one of two strategies:

1) Forgo screening and give IV antibiotics in labor to all women with risk factors...(risk factors listed); or

2) Screen everyone and offer all colonized women IV antibiotics in labor."

 

So I do consider the 1st option to be a good viable choice especially since you can get a "false negative" in the sense that you are clear on the day of the test but then not 3 weeks later, if that makes sense.  Also, I wouldn't want my baby to get the antibiotics if it wasn't necessary.  I want baby's gut to get all that good flora (among other concerns I have with unnecessary antibiotic use).

 

Personal choice, obviously, and neither is perfect or without risk.  Everything I have read says "no matter what approach is taken, some babies will still get GBS infections".  Anyway, just thought I would share the information because I've done lots of reading and thinking on this since getting my test results last week.

 

LJ, since you are particularly concerned since you are heavily colonized you could chose option #1 and get antibiotics should another "risk factor" present even if your re-test is GBS-.

 

Personally, I plan on keeping up my regime (as sick as I am of eating raw garlic!  I find it worse than the garlic suppository, although not as bad as the q-tip with tea tree oil up the butt irked.gif) until babe is born even if I test GBS- next week.

 

ETA:  I have also learned through this process that the antibiotics only protect against early onset GBS (in the day or two after birth) and that babies can and do aslo get sick from late onset GBS (in the week(s) following birth).  This isn't a very fullsome discussion on GBS but does include information on late vs early onset GBS.  Just thought this might also be of interest as I'd never heard of late onset GBS before now! Link.

post #22 of 32
Good feedback nstewart thanks. My midwife knows I'm seriously considering antibiotics and we've discussed the use of it at my birth. I'm not really considering not taking it, even though it seems she leaves the choice up to me. I'm just so sad about thinking I could be the cause for potentially passing on these terrible things to my baby. Like, my infected vagina. Ugh. And late onset gbs you say? Great. I feel bad for my babe greensad.gif
post #23 of 32

There's a good new piece of evidence-based writing on GBS and antibiotics available here if anyone is interested! http://evidencebasedbirth.com/groupbstrep/

post #24 of 32

How long did it take everyone to get their GBS results back?  I was looking through my online records, and it looks like last time it took three days.  I was hoping for next day results, though, and I've been stalking my email today waiting for the notice.

post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by Gooseberry View Post

How long did it take everyone to get their GBS results back?  I was looking through my online records, and it looks like last time it took three days.  I was hoping for next day results, though, and I've been stalking my email today waiting for the notice.

Three days is quite quick.  I was told by my MW that results usually take a week for her to receive back.

 

MW, thanks for the link.  I found the feedback and comments at the bottom to also be very informative.

 

Another factor, for me, that I forgot to mention is that I am unlikely to be able to get the recommended dose of antibiotics anyway.  I had a quick labor with DS, and I would have to get 2 doses of antibiotics 4 hours apart in order for the treatment to meet the standard requirements.  Again, this is another reason I am looking at improving healthy colonization (with probiotics) and reducing the GBS infection (with garlic and tea tree oil suppositories and also by boosting my immune system with other supplements).  Even if I did chose to get antibiotics without any secondary risk factors, I am not that likely to get the required dosage in time to eliminate risk to my babe.

post #26 of 32
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Three days is quite quick.  I was told by my MW that results usually take a week for her to receive back.

I guess I'll just be thankful that I might get them in three days then.  My appointment yesterday left me feeling a bit down, so I don't really want to spend time worrying about this.  I'll just try to relax.

post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by TwilightJoy View Post

I'm being tested next Friday (in 8 days). Ideally I want to be negative, and negative at birth. However, if I'm positive, I want to do the antibiotics at birth. Will inserting the garlic cause a "false" negative? If I insert the garlic this week and get a negative, does that mean I need to insert the garlic every day for the next ~4 weeks until birth?
Thing is, even if you were negative at 36, 37, 38 weeks (at any particular time) you could still be GBS+ on the day babe is born.  Even if you were GBS+ when you were tested and did nothing to get rid of the level of colonization, you could be GBS- the day babe is born.  So it's really a crap shoot.  The test is accurate the day it is taken, that's it.  So you wouldn't "trick" the test, it would just tell you if you were colonized (or not) on that day.  

Interesting... thanks for the info! So if you are GBS- at 36 weeks, is it standard to test you again? Are you tested when you're admitted to the hospital? If so, how do they get the results if usually it takes days?

In other news... I did the garlic insert last night. Was a little challenging to remove it this morning. Took some acrobatics before I could get my finger hooked up around it to get it down. redface.gif Will definitely use string if I try it again.
post #28 of 32
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Originally Posted by TwilightJoy View Post


Interesting... thanks for the info! So if you are GBS- at 36 weeks, is it standard to test you again? Are you tested when you're admitted to the hospital? If so, how do they get the results if usually it takes days?

In other news... I did the garlic insert last night. Was a little challenging to remove it this morning. Took some acrobatics before I could get my finger hooked up around it to get it down. redface.gif Will definitely use string if I try it again.

No, they only test you the one time. 

 

You can do "kegals" to push the garlic lower to make it easier to grab!

post #29 of 32

Negative!  And very happy about it.

post #30 of 32
Found out today that GBS was negative! Woot!
post #31 of 32

Great news TJ and Gooseberry!

 

I got the results from my re-swab taken last week today - I am now negative!!

 

So, if anyone gets a GBS+ and is interested in what worked for me:

 

AM - zinc and vitamin C (1000mg with calcium and bioflavinoids) and probiotics

 

Lunch - Echinacea tincture and Grapefruit Seed extract

 

Dinner - probiotics

 

Evening - for the first week, nightly teatree oil suppositories (soak a cotton tampon in olive oil, then drop teatree oils onto it and use vaginally for 30 mins.  Do the same with a q-tip and use rectally for 30 mins).  After the first week, use every other night.  Overnight, bruise one garlic clove and use as a vaginal suppository.  Before bed, consume 2 cloves raw garlic, crushed.

 

From GBS+ to GBS- after 2 weeks using this protocol.  I will continue it until babe is born.

post #32 of 32
Wow! NS that is some serious dedication to do all that! I'm impressed! So glad it worked!
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