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"Early Release" Adult Vaccination Schedule

post #1 of 53
Thread Starter 


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/mmwr-adult-schedule.pdf

 

So, will those of you who vaccinate (or not) start to get shots? 

post #2 of 53

thanks! I already had forwarded to several

post #3 of 53

I'm in Canada, so it wouldn't matter, but if I were in the states, none of the changes would apply to me. 

 

The only one that could potentially apply is the tdap (or whichever it is) during pregnancy, which I would most likely do if I were going to have another kid.  Other than that, the schedule remains the same unless my immune system becomes compromised, I start using illegal drugs, or I reach my senior years.  

post #4 of 53
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I'm not in the USA either, but most of my family is. FTR, I do not vaccinate at all and find the proposal horrifying (but we could all see this coming, right?). I guess I am most interested in those who do vaccinate their babies (the majority) and wonder whether they will be as willing to offer themselves up? Why this; why now- we know the answers, we think, although we may have different ones :) A
post #5 of 53

I've had chicken pox so don't need varicella.  I do get a flu shot every year and am up to date on my TDaP boosters.  I got an MMR shot when I was TTC.  I have no risk factors for the "purple" vaxes.  So yes, I'll follow the schedule (not because it is THE SCHEDULE but because it makes sense to me).

post #6 of 53

It looks like they might be pushing the chicken pox vaccine on a bunch of people who have had the chicken pox. The recommendation is for everyone under 33 (born 1980 or later) to get chicken pox unless they had a case of chicken pox that was verified by a HCP.  I wonder how many people either did not have their chicken pox confirmed by a hcp or could not find the proof, even if they did.  I bet most.  2 of my kids had chicken pox - could I prove it?  Nope.  Of course, they could submit to titre testing - wonder who pays for it?

 

Of course, this schedule is not mandatory and adults don't need exemptions  (will this schedule impact people in any real way?) so I suppose you could just opt out. 

post #7 of 53
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

 

Of course, this schedule is not mandatory and adults don't need exemptions  (will this schedule impact people in any real way?) so I suppose you could just opt out. 

 


I was talking to my mother about ways they could make it almost mandatory (travel, raising insurance premiums, medicaid and medicare requirements, employment mandates, extending the childcare provider requirement to include parents...?).  I really CAN imagine a USA where adults need exemptions, sadly.

 

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I am looking for the people who give their kids the vaccines and won't accept this and get the jabs themselves.  We've had all these decades of unvaccinated (majority) adults just walking around destroying the idea of "herd immunity" for the rest of the population.  It doesn't make sense that adults would need them (pro-vax) all of a sudden, does it?  Just smells like money and a way to perpetuate this notion of herd immunity.  We've also had the conversations going on INV about the dangers of TDaP with every pregnancy.

post #8 of 53
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Originally Posted by aggie pop View Post

 

I really CAN imagine a USA where adults need exemptions, sadly.

Me too. Want to start a support group lol?

post #9 of 53
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Me too. Want to start a support group lol?

 

From way down here, I'd be happy to :)  I love living on the edge of the earth.  Though there was a strange case where a family from denmark fled through a river on the pacific on horseback being pursued by medical authorities because they wouldn't vaccinate the tween daughter.  They should have just kept their mouths closed, imo.  And I should probably change my location in my profile lol.

 

If I was in the USA, I would get it on record with a family doctor asap.  Actually, our former family doc in Manhattan DOES have it in his computerized files.  There are no exemptions here, but money talks, you know?  Good old fashioned corruption wins over this privacy nightmare any day, in my book.

post #10 of 53
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

It looks like they might be pushing the chicken pox vaccine on a bunch of people who have had the chicken pox. The recommendation is for everyone under 33 (born 1980 or later) to get chicken pox unless they had a case of chicken pox that was verified by a HCP.  I wonder how many people either did not have their chicken pox confirmed by a hcp or could not find the proof, even if they did.  I bet most.  2 of my kids had chicken pox - could I prove it?  Nope.  Of course, they could submit to titre testing - wonder who pays for it?

 

 

 

Will they take my multiple pox scars as proof?  Good grief, if it gets to be a big deal I'll pay to have my titre pulled.

post #11 of 53

My old doctor passed away years ago, and I doubt I have my chicken pox on record. What I DO have is a photo of myself covered in pox, playing at the beach. My mother had to pick me up early from daycare, and took me to the beach because, well, what else do you do on an impromptu sick day?  That is the only thing I remember from my experience with the pox. I know it can be awful for some folks, but for me, it was a day at the beach, literally!

post #12 of 53

Where's the long term research to say vaxing adults is a safe thing to do, and won't have long term side effects, ie: alzheimers, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, diabetes, or a host of other autoimmune system malfunctions that could potentially happen?  When i say long term, i mean this kind of thing should have been studied for the last 20yrs before deciding it's okay to shoot up adults now too.  I can't wait to see what crops up in the adult population 10-15yrs from now in terms of autoimmune issues, sickness, hospital care, long term care, etc, etc....it will be as interesting to me as the chicken pox debacle that was started in '95, and now we have parents running scared out of their wits about their kids catching chicken pox.  It didn't take long for the mass hysteria to catch on. 

post #13 of 53

I will say, generally, that I wouldn't consent to any medical procedure being performed on my daughter that I'm not willing to undergo myself.  Since we vaccinate her, that would include vaccines.

IMO, it would be hypocritical in the extreme for us to do anything else.

post #14 of 53
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I will say, generally, that I wouldn't consent to any medical procedure being performed on my daughter that I'm not willing to undergo myself.  Since we vaccinate her, that would include vaccines.

IMO, it would be hypocritical in the extreme for us to do anything else.

 What if you don't think you need the vaccine?

 

Take chicken pox - if the schedule said you didn't need it yesterday, and now it says you do - what is the difference?  You are the same person.

 

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I (in general) think this could bring up issues around compliance for compliance sake.  Many adults are going to think they are perfectly fine without the vaccines.  I wonder if any of this skepticism will affect how they view vaccination for children?

post #15 of 53

My husband is a paramedic. His exposure to all kinds of nasty things is why we get vaccinated. I would much rather vaccinate myself than my children. Our children are vaccinated on a delayed/modified schedule.
 

post #16 of 53
After 100 years of vaccinating children, it's time to start vaccinating adults. Times have changed, you know. Life was a lot safer and cleaner way back when. Now the world is teeming with a lot more pestilence and the ravages of infectious disease... Oh. Wait.
post #17 of 53
After 100 years of vaccinating children, it's time to start vaccinating adults. Times have changed, you know. Life was a lot safer and cleaner way back when. Now the world is teeming with a lot more pestilence and the ravages of infectious disease... Oh. Wait.
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Mods, take care of those dupes, please. Or someone flag them for me. I promise I'm only hitting the submit button once. irked.gif
post #19 of 53
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Will they take my multiple pox scars as proof?  Good grief, if it gets to be a big deal I'll pay to have my titre pulled.

biglaugh.gifhahah! me too. I have a tiny crater scar on the tip of my nose and several white faded pox scars on my arms. (I had CP as a adult). Does that count? 

post #20 of 53
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Originally Posted by aggie pop View Post

 

I am looking for the people who give their kids the vaccines and won't accept this and get the jabs themselves.  We've had all these decades of unvaccinated (majority) adults just walking around destroying the idea of "herd immunity" for the rest of the population.  It doesn't make sense that adults would need them (pro-vax) all of a sudden, does it?  

 

Well, personally I do keep up on my td every ten years.  I'm not sure if I ever got the recommended tdap or not, I intend to ask next year when I'm due for a tetanus shot.  I got the flu vax when I had babies out of hopes of protecting them, but to be honest, I don't most years now that they are older not out of concern for side effects but because I'm not convinced it is effective enough to be a big deal and I'm really bad about putting stuff like that off (just ask how long I've been putting off getting a filling I need.. my dentist is going to scold me.. whenever I get around to making the appt. for the cleaning I should have had months ago).  And since that is all that is on the schedule for me....

 

The bold is not entirely true.  The majority of adults do get their td every ten years, though the numbers are still a lot lower than they should be which I suppose could bring about a risk of diptheria (herd immunity does not apply to tetanus itself since it is not a communicable disease).   The majority of aduls do not bother to get a flu vaccine, true, and perhaps that would cut down on flu if more did, but there are so many strains and it mutates so fast, we would still have flu around to some level at least even if everyone was vaccinated.  Only a small number of adults have gotten the tdap recommended once in adulthood, probably because it is a fairly new thing, which could contribute to current pertussis problems, but there are other problems going on with pertussis too.

 

Most adults had two MMRs as kids and so don't need another (and of those who didn't, most had one and so are probably protected even if the schedule recommends a second).  Most adults had chickenpox and so don't need that one.  

 

This schedule is really not all that new/different.  TD every ten years has been around for a long, long time. Flu every year is much newer; we'll see how that goes. Hepatitis vaccines for people at risk due to lifestyle or occupation has been around for a long time.  Pneumo is relatively new, but only recommended for a small percentage of the population  who are at increased risk. Shingles vax is also relatively new for the elderly, but considering shingles was something that scared my grandparents way back in the eighties, it certainly seems needed. HPV is on the schedule for young adults who didn't get it as kids, but most will be getting it younger, so it can remain hotly debated as part of the childhood schedule rather than the adult one. 

 

The only big difference from last year's schedule is the recommendation for tdap (or is it dtap... too lazy to check right now) during pregnancy to protect the infant from pertussis.  I don't think that was on the schedule last year.   All other changes are very minor and mostly just clarifications.  

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