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post #1 of 26
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I am struggling with deciding about whether to budget in fitted diapers. It sounds like they are most important during the newborn stage. What are leaks like with prefold like the angle wing fold ? Do people find a way to completely avoid leaking/accidents with practice? I know it must depend on what covers you use. I am just so overwhelmed. My partner says we will.practice having the baby poops in the tub to avoid the mess-not very encouraging.to me!.I need something I can count on.
post #2 of 26
The jelly roll fold is pretty good for containing messes, as is the twist between the legs. Angel wing has gaps that let stuff out. But no matter what the fold, it can be messy.

It might be worth your while to invest in a few one size fitteds, or at least fitteds that have a 2-size system, because then you can get more use out of them. Maybe just get enough for a day out, so that you can be confident that you can stop as many leaks as possible when out and about, or while having baby in the carseat.

Good covers are key though. Get covers with gussets that are dark (unless you don't care about stains. They will keep messes in, but you'll end up washing covers a lot.

If you are handy with a sewing machine, there are great tutorials out there for turning prefolds into fitteds, and even making fitteds from old t-shirts on the cheap.
post #3 of 26
A good cover will contain the mess. I love motherease airflow. The legs have a great seal and the inside is PUL that can be wiped clean.

Agree with pp, just get a few (3ish) fitted for major outings. This way you stand a good chance of reusing the cover when out.
post #4 of 26
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I was thinking prefolds with wool, not easy to wipe a cover clean? I am just afraid of the pul ones, breathability is just so important to me. For fitteds &wool , this leaking will not happen, its really so much more efficent?
Is there anything more economical than GMD workhorse fitted? I saw multisize Motherease but how do.i know about the fit? Its so confusing, like do some babies not even fit in GMD workhorse? I read motherease reviews& some said the multisize were bulky, so it would leak? If you spend more to get more sizes on a one size is the risk factor of it not fitting bigger? Thats what GMD made it sound like, like the workhorse was most likely to fit but you need more sizes...geez. They also had a babee green organic that was double the price thats supposed to fit more sizes, so i wish i could know if it would be a replacement for multi workhorse sizes. Can any one be snappied to help things fit better?
I cant sew at all. &it seems like I cant think this out, for 6 months everytime i think of it i go crazy.
post #5 of 26
I like fitted diapers. I have all different types of diapers, and when it comes down to fitteds vs. prefolds, I like fitteds. I buy sized fitteds, and just resale them when I need the next size up. Prefolds are nice and all, but are more work than fitteds and I'm a lazy booger!
post #6 of 26
This is where you might want to have an assorted stash.
The airflow covers do have vents at the side to counter the PUL. the wool is harder to clean and maintain but allow more airflow.
Try both. Might like one over another or like each for different situations.

I highly recommend a workhorse using a snappi. I have issues with diaper and covers (blueberries) getting wing droop with fasteners just at the hip. A snappi pulls the crotch up tight and prevent gaps. Gaps=leaks

Prefolds might have more leaks, but their ease of washing, flexible sizing and great economic value makes them a nice part of every stash.
post #7 of 26
TBH, I think fitteds are all pretty much the same. Of course GMD wants you to believe their's are the best smile.gif the fitteds that have little ruffles around the legs (look more like sposies) are better at stopping leaks than ones that do not. One size are bulky, but all cloth diapers are. In the very beginning, if your babe is too tiny for the os, a prefold twist fold works fine. The poops are tiny too.

Wool is nice, but it's expensive. I use wool at night. But when when they are in the explosive poop stage, you're going to get poop on your covers. Wool will hold it in, but you'll be washing it often. A more economical choice is a one size fleece cover. They are still breathable, more easily washable, and quicker to dry. I find that I use wool and fleece at home, and PUL out. I think if you are changing a baby as often as you should, PUL is not that big a deal.

Have you looked at used diapers? I would get used fitteds if the Velcro or snaps were in good working order, they hold up well if they are well made.

Also, your dh may have a good idea. EC is great.
post #8 of 26

We did the Mother Ease fitteds and they are awesome IMO for containing everything. I got the newborn size ones (that many people say you don't need but I'm SO glad I had them when DD was tiny cause even they were big looking on her) then we got the one size ones. At one point I got a few of the size small too but did not feel they were necessary and frankly I liked the one size better cause they were less puffy. She still fits in the one size ones at a little over 2 y.o. and about 33 lbs. Eventually I got some pocket diapers as well so now I have quite the mix.


As far as affordability we did really well because we bought them used on our local craigslist. The newborn ones I had to watch for several weeks before I came across them while the one size ones pop up regularly. All were in great shape, no stains, nice and soft feeling. The newborn were more expensive than the one size, about half the cost of new I think? but they were also not used for very long since babies grow fast at that stage. I am keeping all of them for future babies so that's even more money saved there. I also got the Mother Ease covers with them but you could certainly not. Also some mamas use the diapers coverless around the house for greater breathability and so they can change as soon as baby is wet.

post #9 of 26

I have been doing the jellyroll on my 4 month old since birth, and we have yet to have a leak. I thought I might like to try other folds, though, but I found one that works and now I don't want to try anything else!

post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by lilbsmama View Post

I have been doing the jellyroll on my 4 month old since birth, and we have yet to have a leak. I thought I might like to try other folds, though, but I found one that works and now I don't want to try anything else!
This is so inspiring, what a relief. I was getting ready to respond to others who wrote too, but i am in such an overwhelmed emotional state, everything feels like sorting thru chaos. Now i want to do a jellyroll fold poll to see if this is true for many about no leaking. Thanks smile.gif
post #11 of 26
It's pretty good, as is the twist fold. I would say you get minimal leaking with either one.

The problem is that every kid is different. Some are more "explosive" than others. Out of 3 kids, I had one that had lots of big blowouts, one that would have fairly regular seeping out, and that only occasionally had any leakage. Unfortunately, there is just no way to know until you have the baby.

But don't stress out. It's just poop. Stains or not, it's still clean after it gets washed! Babies are messy smile.gif
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by Banana731 View Post

The problem is that every kid is different. Some are more "explosive" than others. Out of 3 kids, I had one that had lots of big blowouts, one that would have fairly regular seeping out, and that only occasionally had any leakage.

LOL, isn't that the truth! When DD was a newborn I swear her goal every time she pooped was to cover the entire inside of her diaper with poop so not a speck of white cotton remained. I was so grateful for my fitteds then. I hope following your theory my next will be a more mellow pooper.

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by here we are View Post

I was thinking prefolds with wool, not easy to wipe a cover clean? I am just afraid of the pul ones, breathability is just so important to me. For fitteds &wool , this leaking will not happen, its really so much more efficent?
Is there anything more economical than GMD workhorse fitted? I saw multisize Motherease but how do.i know about the fit? Its so confusing, like do some babies not even fit in GMD workhorse? I read motherease reviews& some said the multisize were bulky, so it would leak? If you spend more to get more sizes on a one size is the risk factor of it not fitting bigger? Thats what GMD made it sound like, like the workhorse was most likely to fit but you need more sizes...geez. They also had a babee green organic that was double the price thats supposed to fit more sizes, so i wish i could know if it would be a replacement for multi workhorse sizes. Can any one be snappied to help things fit better?
I cant sew at all. &it seems like I cant think this out, for 6 months everytime i think of it i go crazy.

 

 

Wool is not easy to wipe clean, but you can spot clean it with wool soap bar if the poop spot is small. it takes a while to dry. all that is fine at home, but a PIA if you're out. I think is why many of us use some PUL too. Plenty of moms use wool only, though. 

 

you should check out some other places besides GMD. I actually really like them, I like their infant fitteds. but there are many more places to look for diapers. Diaperswappers, hyena cart, ebay(you can get used here), etsy. really, coming from someone who does sew, fitteds are pretty much the same. You have turned and top-stiched (this one has the absorbent pads,inserts, on the outside, the only difference between this and having them on the inside is how long it takes to dry after the wash). And you have serged where you can see all the thread on the edge of the diaper and the "ruffled edge" I mentioned earlier. I think the serged are better at keeping poop in. That is basically it. People use all kinds of fancy fabrics, some just use cotton, some have fancy inserts on the outside, some have them all on the inside. These differences are what make the prices higher or lower. IMO, it's better to spend money on better covers than fancier fitteds. You are also going to find MANY more options in wool covers on sites like that.

 

Some diapers are able achieve a ruffle without serging, the GMD infant fitteds, for example. Those are very nice by the way, I find they fit for a long time, but lack absorbency for older (bigger bladders) babes. I stick inserts or premie prefolds (which I bought as inserts) into them and that works just fine. They are a very economical choice. I don't think that you would find many babies that dont fit in them. If they are that tiny, a prefold is going to be fine. and after the first few weeks, they will fit into them, which is really when you'll be going out anyway and blowouts become a PIA. At home, you don't even need a cover all the time. by the time your baby does truly grow out of the GMD fitteds, he or she will definitely fit in one-size fitteds, AND they wont poop quite as much. While those are more expensive than sized fitteds, they are more economical overall, especially if you go for the no frills models. If you are just looking at getting a few fitteds to supplement your main diapering stash of prefolds, you still wont be spending much that way. You may even find that by the time you grow out of the GMD fitteds, that you don't need anything other the prefolds.

 

I know it's really intimidating and confusing to see all the choices out there for diapering. I hope this helps :)

post #14 of 26
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Banana , you really know your stuff. Its starting to make sense, when i think of it this way, thank you so much. Fuzzy thinking tonight, but heres my quick questions. After fitteds, which i am wanting for nighttime newborn, i want your opinion about a one size b/c i cant figure it out even though you described sewing technicalites so nicely. GMD Babee Greens organic vs Motherease, which maybe you havent tried..? But the Babee Greens come with doubler, i think, so is it worth more or are you paying more for something else. I figure i will need the doubler, and need to figure out prefolds as doublers or maybe thats just another question. Always trying to think ahead but not going too well!
And if using prefolds at home with no cover, what about leaks at home??
post #15 of 26
You can't totally avoid blowouts no matter what you do. But we managed to survive just fine with prefolds and a snappi with a PUL cover. We don't do any particular fold. It holds'er in. Change semi-frequently and don't stress if there's a blow-out every once in awhile. It's only poop.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by here we are View Post

Banana , you really know your stuff. Its starting to make sense, when i think of it this way, thank you so much. Fuzzy thinking tonight, but heres my quick questions. After fitteds, which i am wanting for nighttime newborn, i want your opinion about a one size b/c i cant figure it out even though you described sewing technicalites so nicely. GMD Babee Greens organic vs Motherease, which maybe you havent tried..? But the Babee Greens come with doubler, i think, so is it worth more or are you paying more for something else. I figure i will need the doubler, and need to figure out prefolds as doublers or maybe thats just another question. Always trying to think ahead but not going too well!
And if using prefolds at home with no cover, what about leaks at home??

I was going to respond last night, and then promptly passed out at 9:30! Gestation will do that to you...

 

I haven't tried either of those brands, but from looking at them, the GMD babee green is probably more because of the doubler. The doubler that it comes with would be like a $4 doubler. If you look at the organic mother-ease OS and add a $4 doubler you'd have the same price. The GMD babee green looks like a standard one-size to me. Pretty much any OS looks like that, many of them come with a doubler as well. My only reservation about the mother-ease is that binding on the legs, I'm not sure about how well it would keep poop in. But mother-ease is a super popular brand, so I bet some of the mamas around here would be able to tell you how well they work in that respect, if you start a thread asking about them specifically. Covers with leg binding do a pretty great job with keeping everything in, so that could certainly be the case with those diapers.  

 

You're going to want doublers with fitted diapers, probably more than any fitted diaper is going to come with, as they get bigger and for night time too. Preemie prefolds make great cheap doublers (mama cloth, spit up rags, emergency wipes, clean up the wine your dh just spilled on the floor rags, etc...). They are 2-6-2 (6 in the middle, 2 on the ends) layers, so if you fold them in thirds that's 10 layers, which is pretty good for a doubler! And they are thin, so you can use more than one without a bunch of bulk. They cost $15-18 for 12 at GMD, which is 1.25 - 1.50 per doubler, that's about as cheap as you're going to get (especially for an organic doubler). 

 

Prefolds at home with no cover don't have the same types of poop leaking problems. you don't have the baby in clothes over the diaper, so that's one problem solved. You don't have the baby all squished up in a car seat, that helps too. The poop will usually just leak out a little around the legs if it's going to, and you can see it right away. most of time, you're going to hear them going too, so you can put the baby down on a blanket, or throw an extra diaper under the bum, so it doesn't leak on you! So it's not that they won't leak in that situation ever, it's just that the leaking diaper isn't exacerbated by a bunch of other factors that you have when out of the house. Believe me, once you see the stuff that comes out of your newborn, you are going to keep a pretty close eye on a diaper with no cover. When you add the cover that you know keeps it all in, it's turns into a case of out of sight, out of mind, a little smile.gif

post #17 of 26

I haven't read all of the replies, but I just wanted to mention that my baby's poo leaked onto the covers regardless if she wore a GMD workhorse, a flat or a pinned prefold.  Neither was worse in my case  - but all babies are different!  I had purchased some machine washable wool wraps (Sckoons, Imse Vimse, and Biobottoms) so I wasn't having to handwash and lanolize every night during the first weeks.  They aren't as soft as Disana, Kissas, Ruskovilla, etc but they breathe and aren't scratchy.  

 

I have a 3 month old and she is my 4th baby.  Because she's going to be my last, I decided to splurge on diapers with her and she's my first newborn that used anything other than a prefold in the early days.  To be honest, I wish I wouldn't have bothered with the fitted diapers and would have just stuck with prefolds and flats.
 

Diaper Rite and Imagine Diapers also have diapers that are very similar to GMD no-closure workhorses.  (I'm not sure if they come in newborn size though.)  They are slightly cheaper, but I think the GMD's have a better resale value. 


Edited by KarmasLilHelper - 4/16/13 at 12:21am
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Banana731 View Post

I was going to respond last night, and then promptly passed out at 9:30! Gestation will do that to you...

I haven't tried either of those brands, but from looking at them, the GMD babee green is probably more because of the doubler. The doubler that it comes with would be like a $4 doubler. If you look at the organic mother-ease OS and add a $4 doubler you'd have the same price. The GMD babee green looks like a standard one-size to me. Pretty much any OS looks like that, many of them come with a doubler as well. My only reservation about the mother-ease is that binding on the legs, I'm not sure about how well it would keep poop in. But mother-ease is a super popular brand, so I bet some of the mamas around here would be able to tell you how well they work in that respect, if you start a thread asking about them specifically. Covers with leg binding do a pretty great job with keeping everything in, so that could certainly be the case with those diapers.  

You're going to want doublers with fitted diapers, probably more than any fitted diaper is going to come with, as they get bigger and for night time too. Preemie prefolds make great cheap doublers (mama cloth, spit up rags, emergency wipes, clean up the wine your dh just spilled on the floor rags, etc...). They are 2-6-2 (6 in the middle, 2 on the ends) layers, so if you fold them in thirds that's 10 layers, which is pretty good for a doubler! And they are thin, so you can use more than one without a bunch of bulk. They cost $15-18 for 12 at GMD, which is 1.25 - 1.50 per doubler, that's about as cheap as you're going to get (especially for an organic doubler). 

Prefolds at home with no cover don't have the same types of poop leaking problems. you don't have the baby in clothes over the diaper, so that's one problem solved. You don't have the baby all squished up in a car seat, that helps too. The poop will usually just leak out a little around the legs if it's going to, and you can see it right away. most of time, you're going to hear them going too, so you can put the baby down on a blanket, or throw an extra diaper under the bum, so it doesn't leak on you! So it's not that they won't leak in that situation ever, it's just that the leaking diaper isn't exacerbated by a bunch of other factors that you have when out of the house. Believe me, once you see the stuff that comes out of your newborn, you are going to keep a pretty close eye on a diaper with no cover. When you add the cover that you know keeps it all in, it's turns into a case of out of sight, out of mind, a little smile.gif

Why r u concerned about motherease leg binding holding in leaks? You mean the serged is the onesize? & only the sandys has the ruffle , which u think may be better? I have been researching motherease & it sounds so good, durable, long lasting, leakproof maybe but with other doublers too(like.the prefold ones), just maybe bulky, or "wing droop" maybe without the right cover...
GMD workhorse doesnt last long like this? The lady who sells them says they arent supposed to last more than one child unless used only a short time. Its strssing me b/c it looks like i might have to buy more sizes in those,&unpredictable growth rate/body style? She also made them sound tighter around kegs...& worry about that, obviously its needed but maybe one kind, serged vs ruffle, is more gentle? I even looked at the Snug to.Fit Supreme one size since she says its gentler on.legs& no need to rearrange snaps between washing, but for 15$ its same as MEOS & STF sounds like it onoy lasts 1 yr. I guess its a trade off? Theres tooonns of motherease reviews but STF not so much. Its great to think i can resell, or if i am crazy enough to have another baby, which i cant imagine being so unable to even pick out diapers! I cant find much on babeegreens onesize either so i figure Motherease is better.

Banana, do.u think GMD lasts like Motherease? I know you say extra doublers do the trick..do u just like the stiching better? Do u find leg elastic tight? Or just that they are trimmer?

Last night i was thinking about bulkyness of.MEOS & how it would affect mobility & found myself with the image of my baby trying to rollover& getting stuck on babye back because of the bulk, & wondering if it would make him/her mad.or.if it would be like a weight.holding baby down. Then i thoughy if rolling over did happen, maybe the bulk would seesaw baby onto face or legs! Potentially getting stuck! I must have lost my rational thinking smile.gif
post #19 of 26

I didn't read all the replies.

 

I really like prefolds with a snappi and proraps (for the gussets).  I have less blowouts with that than with a disposable.  And no problems with wet leaks until they get REALLY wet  -- like overnight  or the cover wasn't properly covering the diaper.  I'm not sure I'm brave enough to try wool on a newborn where it would get pooped on a lot.  If you really want wool, would an already felted cover made from a recycled sweater be easier to wash?  I've only used a couple of fitteds.  They're nice, but so much more expensive and at some point you'll need to replace the elastic. 

post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by KarmasLilHelper View Post

I haven't read all of the replies, but I just wanted to mention that my baby's poo leaked onto the covers regardless if she wore a GMD workhorse, a flat or a pinned prefold.  Neither was worse in my case  - but all babies are different!  I had purchased some machine washable wool wraps (Sckoons, Imse Vimse, and Biobottoms) so I wasn't having to handwash and lanolize every night during the first weeks.  They aren't as soft as Disana, Kissas, Ruskovilla, etc but they breathe and aren't scratchy.  

I have a 3 month old and she is my 4th baby.  Because she's going to be my last, I decided to splurge on diapers with her and she's my first newborn that used anything other than a prefold in the early days.  To be honest, I wish I wouldn't have bothered with the fitted diapers and would have just stuck with prefolds and flats.

 
Diaper Rite and Imagine Diapers also have diapers that are very similar to GMD no-closure workhorses.  (I'm not sure if they come in newborn size though.)  They are slightly cheaper, but I think the GMD's have a better resale value. 


Do u wish u hadnt bothered to spend the $on fitted for your 4th baby b/c you didnt get less leaks? Or u.were just bettrr with folding experience? I wonder if i willl feel this way but since its my first i feel i need time to learn fitteds then move towards prefolds or not.
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