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post #1 of 61
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http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/h7n9-early-test-revised-us-pandemic-preparations/2013-04-09

 

from original article

http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/04/06/the-new-bird-flu-how-dangerous-is-avian-flu-h7n9/

post #2 of 61

Pharma will attempt to make a vaccine for practically anything it would seem if there is a decent possibility that it could be lucrative.

 

With this bird flu however, it seems to me that they are jumping the gun as it is not transmitted from human to human. The "potential" for this virus to mutate so it is spread from human to human for me is not enough (even if I was very provaccine) to support developing a vaccine for this. 

post #3 of 61
I think it might be a good thing they're trying to do the research just incase bird flu becomes serious so a vaccine could be ready if needed.
post #4 of 61
I think it would be good if they focused more on actually treatment of the sick and ways to boost immune systems instead of putting the majority of their energy into vaccines.
post #5 of 61
I think their is room to do both and I'm sure they are in fact doing both. Why do you think they are not also researching ways to treat the sick? It never has to be just vaccines. It can be all the good stuff which boosts the immune system plus vaccines. smile.gif
post #6 of 61
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I think their is room to do both and I'm sure they are in fact doing both. Why do you think they are not also researching ways to treat the sick? It never has to be just vaccines. It can be all the good stuff which boosts the immune system plus vaccines. smile.gif

If we are talking natural ways to boost the immune system - they don't focus on that because there is no money to be made. 

post #7 of 61
Yeah I don't see how learning more about vaccines and developing new vaccines is a bad thing. Get back to me when vaccines like this start getting added to the recommended schedule.
post #8 of 61
The problem is that money and resources are being spent on a vaccine for something that might happen and not enough energy is being spent on advances in wellness, natural or otherwise. Not to mention that hundreds of thousands of people die from malaria (a real epidemic) each year but there is no money in saving poor people so that is not the focus.
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post

I think their is room to do both and I'm sure they are in fact doing both. Why do you think they are not also researching ways to treat the sick? It never has to be just vaccines. It can be all the good stuff which boosts the immune system plus vaccines. smile.gif

One problem with that is that immune systems are not responding to vaccines as expected. People are developing autoimmune disorders as the result of vaccines, which suggests that vaccines are actually harming immune systems.

post #10 of 61
I believe there are several charities working to combat malaria.
post #11 of 61
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I believe there are several charities working to combat malaria.

Well, bless their hearts... But there needs to be more than that. But here won't be when more money can be made concentrating on hypothetical things that might happen in developed countries.
post #12 of 61
I think that's a little arbitrary.
post #13 of 61
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I think that's a little arbitrary.

I don't.
post #14 of 61
Yeah, I agree that the monied interests have priorities that are seriously out of whack. People who stand to benefit financially by influencing the public should be kept far from government and policy decisions.

But I digress.
post #15 of 61

Dalia,

 

I agree.  I think more money should be spent on health issues that affect so many  rather than hypothetical disease scenarios.

 

Consider tropical disease - so many people suffer from them, yet efforts are not strong to eradicate them.  Why?  Money.  Tropical disease affect poor people - and poor people cannot pay for the meds or vaccines.  

 

Links:

 

http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC3438653/

" In the absence of financial incentives for new products, the multinational pharmaceutical companies have not embarked on substantive research and development programs for the neglected tropical disease vaccines. "

 
 
 
This article is really interesting.  1/6 of the world suffer from one of the neglected tropical diseases.  It does make me wonder if vaccines are the best way to help those in developing countries, or if perhaps we should be putting our efforts towards things such as the "rapid impact package".  Long term issues such as sanitation, clean water and overcrowded living conditions need to be worked on as well!
 
 

"Despite their significance, relatively little financial support has been provided to address NTDs, com- pared to the burden of ill health that they cause. This is especially regrettable, since significant prog- ress has been made to control or eliminate some of the NTDs, including Chagas disease, lymphatic filariasis, onchocerciasis, and leprosy. It is also lamentable because, a “rapid-impact package”

of four drugs is available that can simultaneously treat the seven most common NTDs for between 40 cents and 80 cents per person per year."

 
Tropical diseases in the USA.  

Edited by kathymuggle - 4/12/13 at 7:04pm
post #16 of 61
Building on Kathy's idea:

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/ebola-vaccine-might-never-reach-market-scientists/

Quoting a pharma CEO:
"There isn't a huge customer base and obviously big pharma is interested in big profits."

I've often thought about how great it would be to see more R&D into cures and treatments. I'm not even talking about natural immunity-boosters, which would also be great, but actual pharmacologic treatments. But in order to deal with diseases profitably, it's not as lucrative to spot-treat as it is to shampoo an entire carpet....
post #17 of 61

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/12/17713083-deaths-from-new-bird-flu-underscore-grim-fears-reports-show?lite

 

Also, seems like the victims had underlying conditions. One always needs to know who succumbs to disease - it doesn't seem like young healthy people died... (all deaths are horrible. But knowing who is susceptible makes a difference).

post #18 of 61
"Also, seems like the victims had underlying conditions. One always needs to know who succumbs to disease - it doesn't seem like young healthy people died... (all deaths are horrible. But knowing who is susceptible makes a difference)."

Yes, I wish what we would ask ourselves is: why do some people survive certain diseases and some people cannot fight it off? What can we do for those who cannot do it on their own? This is what I meant to say earlier. We need to focus on better treatment rather than putting a bandaid on the whole population, one that has possible side-effects. Focus on better treatment and cures as well as wellness is key. The system we have now is not sustainable.
post #19 of 61
Vaccination is much MORE sustainable than just offering supportive care. Supportive care requires a lot more resources than vaccination, and sometimes still isn't enough.
post #20 of 61

MSF (or Doctors Without borders) has concerns about the sustainability of vaccine programs in developing nations.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2013/feb/04/aid-vaccines-subsidising-big-pharma-doctors-claim

 

 

"MSF is concerned that the deals between the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation (Gavi), to which the UK was the biggest donor last year, and pharmaceutical companies such as the British giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Pfizer in the US, are not transparent and do not have inbuilt sustainability.

"It looks to us like a big subsidy for pharma – there is no other way of saying it really," said Dr Manica Balasegaram, executive director ofMSF's access campaign."

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