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post #141 of 238
Teddy seems to prefer the Avent pacis. I can't always get him to take one, but it seems like I can never get him to take any of the other kinds.
post #142 of 238
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Originally Posted by bambihelton View Post

 

We went to my mom's house for Mother's Day yesterday. On the way home at about 8 last night, Gray started screaming in the car. His paci wasn't helping, a bottle wouldn't suffice.. nothing would make him stop wailing! So I had to pull over and nurse him to sleep in the back seat of my car!... which was a failed attempt, because when he woke up 5 minutes later, he did the same thing so we had to stick it out until we got home. I felt like the worst mother EVER!  

Don't be so hard on yourself.  No less than 4 out of my 6 children were HORRIBLE in the car.  To say they hated the car is a huge understatement.  I've pulled over and nursed them more times than I can count and the times I couldn't (which were frequent) we endured the screaming.

post #143 of 238

Oh yes...I HATE when mothers are made to feel guilty about car crying, so no hate from me!  My DD1 screamed her head off in the car for the first 14 months of her life (and we live 20 minutes from town...LITTLE town...bigger shopping is at least an hour away...so there's never a "short" drive for us).  It was awful and I remember seeing some women on MDC talking about how it was "crying it out" and it made me feel horrible!  There's just not much to be done in the car. :(

post #144 of 238

The "crying it out" thing is what bothered me SO much about it. He's usually so good in the car. He usually falls asleep and doesn't make a sound. But I had just read yesterday about how crying it out just leaves the baby scared and hopeless, and will only stop because he thinks that no one is going to come to help... I was just heartbroken. 

My mom lives an hour away... So it was a long ride. We live 15 minutes out of town where there is only ONE stoplight. Shopping is 45 minutes away (other than the grocery store) so I know EXACTLY how that is! 

post #145 of 238
Poor Owen did the same thing in a car ride recently. Screaming so much that he'd lose his breath and then start again. *sigh*

Anyone knowledgeable about donated breast milk? I'm curious how expensive it is. Right now we are mostly formula feeding. The boys are only getting about one bottle of breast milk a day each, and as their appetites increase I don't think I can even keep up with that. (Breastfeeding results in the screaming I mentioned like Owen did in the car. *sigh* again)
post #146 of 238
Do you have someone local who could donate to you? Might be worth looking if you are comfortable with that. I have only donated locally (for free, but if I was doing it long term I would just ask to have the cost of te bags covered) but I had the opportunity to meet the moms so they got to know me and my lifestyle.

The only thing that I question about milk banks is that the milk is pasteurized and that takes away a lot of the beneficial properties of breastmilk. There is a chart on kellymom about what remains, and they say it's like 95%, but I don't know... I TOTALLY get why it is done, but I think I would rather find a local person I trust and can get to know and just get the milk "raw".
post #147 of 238
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Originally Posted by 1babysmom View Post

Do you have someone local who could donate to you? Might be worth looking if you are comfortable with that. I have only donated locally (for free, but if I was doing it long term I would just ask to have the cost of te bags covered) but I had the opportunity to meet the moms so they got to know me and my lifestyle.

The only thing that I question about milk banks is that the milk is pasteurized and that takes away a lot of the beneficial properties of breastmilk. There is a chart on kellymom about what remains, and they say it's like 95%, but I don't know... I TOTALLY get why it is done, but I think I would rather find a local person I trust and can get to know and just get the milk "raw".


hmmmm I don't know of anyone, but maybe I could ask at my LLL meeting. I would do it if the person had a good reputation among other moms. I feel guilty every time I give them a bottle of formula. :(

post #148 of 238
Don't let yourself feel guilty! Mommy guilt will eat you up if you let it....you are doing an awesome job and have already given your little ones SO much more by breastfeeding as much as you can than many babies (singletons!!) ever get!!!!
post #149 of 238
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Originally Posted by 1babysmom View Post
 
The only thing that I question about milk banks is that the milk is pasteurized and that takes away a lot of the beneficial properties of breastmilk. There is a chart on kellymom about what remains, and they say it's like 95%, but I don't know... I TOTALLY get why it is done, but I think I would rather find a local person I trust and can get to know and just get the milk "raw".

 Are you serious? They pasteurize breast milk? Geez. I can see offering the option I guess, but... I don't know... I'll keep my opinion to myself so I don't get in trouble twins.gif I think I am just cranky this morning because DS was up puking at 4 am again. Third time in a week. I have an appointment with his pediatrician tomorrow, and I am sure it's just allergies or something like that... but I googled night time vomiting and some of the possiblities are downright scary :(

post #150 of 238

I don't know of any actual bank that doesn't (but I don't know much about them, either)...I mean, it's still more beneficial than the alternative, I'm sure, since it's still human milk, and like I said, I totally get why they do it considering they've got milk coming in from random people all over the place (though most places require screening on those people before, too).  But it still sort of weirds me out thinking of how LIVE breastmilk is (and is SUPPOSED to be).  

 

On that note, my MIL and I once looked at my breastmilk compared to pasteurized, homogenized cows milk under a phase contrast microscope and it was INCREDIBLE how much life- literally- there is in breastmilk!

post #151 of 238
You know what's a bummer? Pumped milk spillage. Ever done that?

I somehow just knocked over the container and I must've lost 2 or 3 tablespoons. I'm trying to get about 4 oz, pumping while I feed the babe on the other side. We are going on a 5 hour road trip this weekend and figure now's a good time to see how he does with a bottle.
post #152 of 238
Thread Starter 

Jess were you ever able to try a nursing shield with the boys?

post #153 of 238

Dh works in a micro-biology lab, mostly testing food for pathogens and bacteria and shelf life. But they also test breast milk from time to time. Trust me...you want donor milk to be pasteurized. He has told me many times how scary the breast milk results are. They get positives all the time for yucky stuff you would NOT want your baby getting. It's one of the reasons he was more than supportive when I said I didn't want to risk buying a used pump. He was horrified that it would even be a consideration. Unfortunately, you can't trust everybody to properly sterilize their pumping equipment...and that means you can't trust even a healthy, screened mum, to have safe milk. greensad.gif

 

But, even pasteurized breast milk is probably better than formula if you can get it. I know it's not exactly easy to find donor milk, especially depending on what area you live in.

post #154 of 238
I did, I have two different sizes and there's some improvement but not a lot. Right now I've been giving them about an ounce of formula or bottled breast milk and then trying to get them to latch, which usually results in screaming fits and turning back to the bottle, and then I have to pump. You can imagine how long this takes, so I have started slacking on even trying to get them to breast feed and going straight for the bottle. Sometimes it's even hard to find time to pump if they stay awake after eating because then it's pretty much time to feed them again. Of course all of this is contributing to supply issues. Bah.
post #155 of 238
Thread Starter 

I can't imagine how difficult it is for you with twins. Do you ever have moments of peace with them where you can try nursing with the shield? I know it may not necessarily be time for them to eat, but if you start with them in a calm/relaxed state maybe they will latch on and get some of your supply up. I wound up nursing DD1 13 months with a shield and I think I might wind up doing the same with this one for the most part. Maybe you can get to a point where you try nursing first and have the formula ready nearby if they don't latch? I'm sure you've probably tried it all though so I'm sorry if my suggestions offend. 

post #156 of 238
What do you all think about nursing only on the left side and pumping the right? At least for a few days to give my nipples a break? I have been to our LC three times and don't know what else to do to fix the ... Latch? (I am assuming thats the problem). And I just don't want my discomfort to effect our nursing.

I have not used Lanolin just air dry but I don't think it helps. At night in PJ I find them to be painful too (I think more so than in bras) and I wonder if the nipple is being charged. I do have some nipple salve. Maybe if I don't keep it in the bathroom I will use it more.

Advice ?


also - do you set an alarm and get up and pump in the middle of the night? My shirt is always wet.
post #157 of 238
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Originally Posted by TIFF4NY View Post

I can't imagine how difficult it is for you with twins. Do you ever have moments of peace with them where you can try nursing with the shield? I know it may not necessarily be time for them to eat, but if you start with them in a calm/relaxed state maybe they will latch on and get some of your supply up. I wound up nursing DD1 13 months with a shield and I think I might wind up doing the same with this one for the most part. Maybe you can get to a point where you try nursing first and have the formula ready nearby if they don't latch? I'm sure you've probably tried it all though so I'm sorry if my suggestions offend. 

 

Oh gosh no way you're not offending. I am just kind of emotionally drained right now. When they are drowsy or full after eating are good practice times. It's just hard because it's my only "free time" (as in when I eat, go to the bathroom, etc!)

 

(I realize I am seriously lacking motivation at this point.)

post #158 of 238
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Originally Posted by jessmn View Post

Oh gosh no way you're not offending. I am just kind of emotionally drained right now. When they are drowsy or full after eating are good practice times. It's just hard because it's my only "free time" (as in when I eat, go to the bathroom, etc!)

(I realize I am seriously lacking motivation at this point.)

Just as important for them as milk is a sane and healthy mama... if giving them a bottle of formula is what it takes for you to be able to care for yourself, then by all means go for it and don't feel guilty... you've got to be taking care of yourself too. It can turn into a vicious cycle as not taking time for your own needs can diminish your supply too. Of course nursing and breast milk is best, but at what expense... I supplement with bottles too. I can't always sit and nurse my babe the way I want to without neglecting my 2 boys who are always fighting and need constant supervision. I'd rather be free to hold the bottle and mind my other kids around the house than keep going to the urgent care center! (Which we do a lot...)

Hang in there... you're still doing great!
post #159 of 238
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Just as important for them as milk is a sane and healthy mama... if giving them a bottle of formula is what it takes for you to be able to care for yourself, then by all means go for it and don't feel guilty... you've got to be taking care of yourself too. It can turn into a vicious cycle as not taking time for your own needs can diminish your supply too. Of course nursing and breast milk is best, but at what expense... I supplement with bottles too. I can't always sit and nurse my babe the way I want to without neglecting my 2 boys who are always fighting and need constant supervision. I'd rather be free to hold the bottle and mind my other kids around the house than keep going to the urgent care center! (Which we do a lot...)

Hang in there... you're still doing great!

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post #160 of 238
Green poop (which LO has hade for two days now) is a sign of fore/hind milk imbalance and over supply issues ? As if bf isn't hard enough!

We are going to DR tmw for one month apt. Hopefully they will know if that is why this is happening even tho they aren't an LC.
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