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post #21 of 48
Thread Starter 

Hapersmion-wow.  I'd love to meet her.   I need to reread her book.  I'm starting to feel like your dh, if it's another boy, I think I want to know, lol.  

 

Ultrafighter-it's either going to be the birth center again for us-it was very nice there-or home.  Your mw sounds like mine-they're pretty hands off and do what the mom wants.  I'm taking the rainbow light food prenatals and they only just started to contribute to my nausea. 

 

 

So I'm starting to get very on the fence about the  blood work and u/s.   I read a little about the Harmony prenatal and that it's more accurate, but also saw a lot of moms with false +.  Not even sure if it's available where I am.  I'm trying to figure out if lab work or a u/s would be more accurate for markers that something is going to be wrong, meaning we'll need to deliver at a hospital.  At least that's what I gather in my mind, I don't know if anyone knowingly home births/birth center with a baby that might need extra help right away.  I'm thinking I could just ask for a 20+ wk u/s and have them look real close for markers or any abnormalities.  With ds1, they sent us for a level 2 because the lab work test was +, but they had the week wrong.  Baby was fine, but that was stressful.  I wasn't thinking to get a u/s at all, since I didn't want to know the sex, but our boys keep asking us if it's a boy or girl and like Hapersmion's dh, I'm starting to struggle with if it's another boy, well, I might want to know that and get prepared for clothes, either way.  We gave so much away and have no girl things.  Do those sound like stupid reasons?  What would be more accurate for finding out a defect-u/s or lab work?  

  I've already decided no internals, they don't make sense to me.  With ds1 (obgyn), they did many and got us worked up because I was 70% effaced, 3cm and baby was low at 40wks.   He was induced! Blood pressure was high though, to give them a smidge of credit on the induction.  With ds2 they (mw) did 2 because my bxh were so strong, even though I didn't really want them.  At 39wks my mw said nothing was going on, she'd see me the next week, and ds was born the next morning :)  So no internals unless I start spotting or something goes wrong like my bp again and I'm having major ctx like w/ ds1 early on.  

  Oh, anyone recommend a good fetascope?  Or would a stethoscope work just as well later?

post #22 of 48
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Originally Posted by hapersmion View Post

/waves

We'll do one ultrasound, after 20 weeks sometime, because we have two boys, and my husband really wants time to deal with having three, if that's what we get.  :)

Other than that, we're pretty non-interventive.  I had a homebirth last time, which was pretty nice, and my first birth was breech at the Farm, which was super awesome.  Planning another homebirth this time, and I'm considering telling the midwife to wait in the other room most of the time.  Or at least not to touch me or talk to me...  :)
 

The Farm?!? How cool is that? Which midwife was there? Wow:) 

 

We're taking a very similar approach as the pp's...no tests and just one 20 week U/S.  We had a homebirth last time around, which was amazing, and had two very natural/intervention-free hospital births  prior to that- both were very hands off/respected our wishes...unfortunately we weren't really pleased with the care/experience after the baby was born. So should we opt for that route this time around (just working through details re: care providers) I would leave the hospital very shortly after wee one is born.

post #23 of 48

Ina May was there - she knitted most of the time, it was pretty neat.  :)  Also, Carol Nelson was there, since I was a first time mom with a breech baby.  Both of them were very nice, they were helpful when I needed it and didn't bother me the rest of the time.

Hippy mum, we got a really cheap stethoscope during my first pregnancy, and were only barely able to hear the baby's heartbeat in late pregnancy (sometimes I couldn't even hear my own heart).  But I don't think a fetascope would necessarily be better than a higher-quality stethoscope.
 

I don't think there are stupid reasons, you just have to figure out what's most important to you.  :)  Now, if you're worried about defects, it seems like it's pretty iffy whether either blood tests or ultrasounds can reliably detect them, and it's been shown that ultrasounds don't improve outcomes anyway, in the end.  To make a good decision, you'd probably have to decide which defects and tests you're focused on, then you could see how accurate and/or prone to false positives those specific tests are.

post #24 of 48
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Ina May was there - she knitted most of the time, it was pretty neat.  :)  Also, Carol Nelson was there, since I was a first time mom with a breech baby.  Both of them were very nice, they were helpful when I needed it and didn't bother me the rest of the time.

Hippy mum, we got a really cheap stethoscope during my first pregnancy, and were only barely able to hear the baby's heartbeat in late pregnancy (sometimes I couldn't even hear my own heart).  But I don't think a fetascope would necessarily be better than a higher-quality stethoscope.
 

I don't think there are stupid reasons, you just have to figure out what's most important to you.  :)  Now, if you're worried about defects, it seems like it's pretty iffy whether either blood tests or ultrasounds can reliably detect them, and it's been shown that ultrasounds don't improve outcomes anyway, in the end.  To make a good decision, you'd probably have to decide which defects and tests you're focused on, then you could see how accurate and/or prone to false positives those specific tests are.

That is absolutely AWESOME! I would love to meet her! One of these days after I raise my babies I will go down and do a training with her.

 

I think I want to purchase a fetascope.   We saw my MW and then had a bunch of normal prenatal labs drawn to make sure where my vit D level is and iron. Also a few others just in case I have to transfer STD's are covered.     I haven't had pap smear since my ds was born 5yrs ago but she was ok with waiting until after this babe is born.  I told her no internals unless absolutely medically necessary. Its nice when a provider listens to you!

post #25 of 48
I'm just curious why mommas would choose not to have a GD test done?
post #26 of 48
Thread Starter 
Maggiemay-Do you mean the diabetic test? I figure I'm not at risk so unless I have to, not doing. I almost failed with ds1 via the obg because I had low sugar and it almost put me over. With ds2 my mw said I could eat a meal, which is more accurate, because what pregnant woman fasts then drinks a bunch of glucose? Passed that with no problem. I have my low sugar under control now and eat a completely diff diet. Going to have to ask my mw what I have to have done in case of a transfer though, didn't think of that.

Hapersmion-I know neither one is very accurate, except a level 2 maybe, I need to read more on safety as well. But they wouldn't do that unless labs cameback +.
post #27 of 48
Maggiemay - I will be skipping the GTT because it is not offered to low-risk women here and I don't consider myself high risk. I might be offered the test because my mother has type II diabetes. However she has diabetes because of a number of poor lifestyle choices, none of which apply to me. Anyway even if I did have GD it would be treated with exercise and a healthy diet, which I already do. I actually follow a diet that is used to treat/ reverse diabetes. So I believe that, for me, the risks of the GTT test would outweigh the benefits.

That said, when I had my preliminary blood tests I did consent to have a diabetes test (I think it's called hba1c). My result was normal, as I knew it would be. If my midwife wants to do that test again or check my blood sugar levels I would likely consent to that. It's just the GTT I have a problem with.
post #28 of 48
Thanks ladies, it is the gestational diabetes test I am interested in. Where I am from, everyone gets the test high risk or not. I am more curious to know why it is no considered safe because I can't seem to find much info about it?
post #29 of 48

Well, my first MW appointment was last Thursday, and to my surprise she busted out a doppler at the end.  It was okay, I suppose.  It took nearly 10 minutes to find (because I was only 10w5d), but we DID hear the heartbeat which was so beautiful (even if only for 2 seconds).  joy.gif  That was the good news.

 

 

 

 

Now for the not so good news.  gloomy.gif  While she was feeling around my abdomen, she did find a pretty sizable fibroid so she is actually recommending we get the 20 week u/s to find out where that is and if it could affect delivery.  She also sent away some blood for blood work (by law, she has to at least check for HIV) but did a finger prick while we were there to check my iron, which is historically low.  It wasn't very far above the threshold that would require me to deliver in a hospital.  If I don't nip this in the bud now with diet and supplements, my iron could go below the threshold as more stress is placed on my body and ruin my plans for an out-of-hospital birth so I'm going to do whatever I have to do and eat as many steaks as I need to to fix this.  I'll even try liver for the first time.  Anything.  I also have an irregular heartbeat that nobody ever told me about so she put me on a cal/mag supplement in hopes that the minerals will help my heart straighten itself out.  I have been so chill about this pregnancy until now.  And now I'm just scared that I'm too broken to give this baby a good start in life.  I know.  It's still early and there's time to turn things around.  Still scary.

 

Sorry for being so down in the dumps today.  I just haven't been able to really express, for one reason or another, how upset I am over all this stuff we found out.

 

 

ETA: My MW said that if I wanted to I could have my primary care physician listen to my heart and tell me what she thinks.  So I called her and got an appointment for this afternoon.  Apparently, irregular heartbeats are so common that they're essentially just ignored or some such??  Anyway, I don't think this is life or death right now, but it will make me feel better to talk to her about it.  I need whatever reassurance I can get...  my mind's eye sees me as having a giant tumor, bad blood, and a ticking time bomb in my chest.  My head knows it's not that bad, but my soul just isn't getting that memo.


Edited by ultrafighter - 4/29/13 at 6:51am
post #30 of 48

So glad you got to hear the heartbeat, such a beautiful sound isnt it?!  Sorry about the other stuff, were you hoping not to have a 20 week scan? Take care of yourself, its ok to feel down especially not knowing what to expect etc .Hope you're feeling better about things soon.

post #31 of 48
Ultrafighter- floradix works great! My suggestion for liver- cut it up frozen and swallow like pills. It's the only way I can stand it, but I love the way it makes me feel.
post #32 of 48

wow Vaquitita, I never would have thought of doing that with liver!!!  I can do that!!  This seems like a dumb question (like I should already know the answer), but do you cook it first before freezing?  I don't know why you wouldn't...  She put me on an additional iron supplement that also has vitamin C to help with the absorption and very strict instructions on when to take it (as in, nowhere near consumption of dairy or other calcium sources since that inhibits absorption).  I've been doing these new supplements on top of my prenatals since Friday morning, and due to scheduling issues, my next appointment is in 3 weeks instead of 4 so I look forward to a better hemoglobin number!

 

Sienna, we were going to do the 20 week scan anyway, but I don't like the "needing" to part of it now.  lol  It's different when it's my idea.

post #33 of 48
Thread Starter 
Ultra-I second the floradix, have you looked at it? My iron was very low after our loss and that actually brought it up. I have a heart murmer that developed with ds2 and they thought it was pregnancy related- never went away. Didn't effect birth option. You have plenty of time to get your iron up too-once you get into the second tri and prob eating better it shouldlevel out, that's what I'm waiting for. Liver has the highest iron, followed by oysters, beans, chick peas, molasses, artichoke, cereals, according to sears pregnancy book.



Maggiemay-it's not safety but to me not an accurate test and not needed unless high risk. If I have to have it done, I'll eat the meal again-eggs, toast, bacon, orange juice.
post #34 of 48
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wow Vaquitita, I never would have thought of doing that with liver!!!  I can do that!!  This seems like a dumb question (like I should already know the answer), but do you cook it first before freezing?  I don't know why you wouldn't...  She put me on an additional iron supplement that also has vitamin C to help with the absorption and very strict instructions on when to take it (as in, nowhere near consumption of dairy or other calcium sources since that inhibits absorption).  I've been doing these new supplements on top of my prenatals since Friday morning, and due to scheduling issues, my next appointment is in 3 weeks instead of 4 so I look forward to a better hemoglobin number!

 

Sienna, we were going to do the 20 week scan anyway, but I don't like the "needing" to part of it now.  lol  It's different when it's my idea.

Thats understandable hug2.gif

post #35 of 48

Also, just read dried apricots are good for iron.

post #36 of 48

I Will only be having 2 u/s, going natural this time, and I am having a hospital midwife assisted birth. I'm really excited! I have been making my birth plan so that everyone is on board with what I want-and even if theyre not they better hop on the train! lol

post #37 of 48

MW wants me to get u/s even though I was against it. She wants to know where placenta is. I need to research it more and see if there is any other way.   

 

As for GD test because we eat healthy my body goes into shock almost when I drink the orange glucose drink so I will do a special meal or organic grape juice.

post #38 of 48
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wow Vaquitita, I never would have thought of doing that with liver!!!  I can do that!!  This seems like a dumb question (like I should already know the answer), but do you cook it first before freezing?

You could, I don't. Because I eat it raw, I only buy grass fed liver and I freeze it for 2 weeks before eating it. Raw liver has incredible energizing properties. This reminds me I really should be taking it myself. I have a bunch in my freezer, I have just gotten out of the habit of it.
post #39 of 48

With my son, I had him as natural as possible (in a hospital).  No drugs or epidural or episiotomy, but they did do an IV and I gave birth lying down.  But I didn't go to the hospital right away, so I was only in labor there for less than two hours before he was born.  This time I will be seeing a midwife, but probably still delivering in the hospital.  There are no birth centers nearby and my house is in a development close to other houses and small, so I can envision waking up the neighbors if I try to have the baby here!  I would like to have a waterbirth or at least labor in the tub, but I have to see what the hospital will allow. 

 

So far, I have had one prenatal visit.  They wanted me to see the doctor the first time.  They did bloodwork, urine test, and an ultrasound, and we discussed other tests.  I will do the other blood tests they normally do and probably the mid-pg ultrasound, but will not be getting the amnio or other specialized tests they mentioned (I am 41, but I didn't want to be considered high risk just because of my age).  The urine test showed I had a bladder infection, so now I am on antibiotics for a week.  The doctor said they are safe, but I am a bit concerned about taking them during pregnancy (also haven't taken them at all in many years).  Anyone have any experience with antibiotics during pregnancy?  My next appointment is this Thursday and is with the midwife.  I also do not plan on finding out the sex this time.  I did last time because I felt I needed to have pink or blue stuff and I tend to be a planner!  But this time, I would really like to be surprised.

post #40 of 48
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Are there any natural living type mammas here? Like not doing any u/s or maybe only 1? Not taking any meds/using natural alternatives? Planing an uninvasive birth, pregnancy with little tests etc? We're pretty holistic and seeing if any other mammas here are and what type of pregnancy are you going for?
Even though we had a loss, we're not doing any extra tests or scans or anything with this baby. We had one u/s with ds2 but we might even skip that this time. Planning for a homebirth too, since I deliver so quickly and the drive to my mw was grueling last time smile.gif


Hi Hippy!

We do dopplers and ultra sounds. I do a 20 week typically for sex determination and health and often times a 10 week or around there dating u/s. We do this because twins run in our family on both sides very strong and that is something we want to know asap. :)

I take and love supplements. I can't get all of my nutrition in food no matter how much I try, but I do natural alternatives first.

 

I'm aiming for a pregnancy that is healthy and happy. LOL This is #5 so I don't have a lot of time to be really poetic about things, iykwim. I just want the baby to feel loved and cherished this whole 9+ months.

As for scans and tests, I do the urine dipstick test and check my blood pressure during pregnancy. I check my  blood sugar levels periodically. Don't really do anything else unless something pops up or feels off.

 

We do home births..We have for all of ours, with various results.

Some times its been great, other times it  has been "I want drugs next time" LOL

 

I love the hypnobabies happy pregnancy track!!

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