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great article on measles, mealses treatments and complication rates

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http://www.jayne-donegan.co.uk/measles-2013

 

I thoroughly enjoyed this and thought I would share.

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Thanks, I enjoyed it also
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Many excellent points made in this article.

 

I thought it was particularly important to note that in 2009, there were 1131 deaths from asthma--which is associated with higher use of paracetamol (Tylenol), and is also documented as caused by vaccination. (I think she missed that--I found studies indicating such a relationship here: http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69

 

Measles haven't caused that many deaths in a year since 1941-- 27 years BEFORE the introduction of the measles vaccine.

 

So it's a good question:  are we creating more problems than we are solving with the measles/MMR vaccine?

 

I do have one quibble--the author mentions that she had measles, but recovered with great immunity, and doesn't have asthma.  I honestly think her single personal experience is totally irrelevant.  One could just as easily say that they smoked a pack a day of cigarettes but didn't get cancer.  In fact, I'm kind of ticked off that she would write that--it almost ruins what was otherwise an excellent article.

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So it's a good question:  are we creating more problems than we are solving with the measles/MMR vaccine?

 

 

I don't know.  There is so much I don't know when it comes to vaccines.  It is a good part of the reason I do not vaccinate wink1.gif

 

The following is an article from Age of Autism.  It is arguing that delaying vaccination reduces the occurence of asthma.  It is well cited for those of you who do not normally like that site.

 

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/07/earlier-vaccina.html

 

This study which survey parents through NVIC, reports less asthma and atopic illnesses in unvaccinated children per parental report.

 

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(05)00026-6/abstract?articleId=&articleTitle=&citedBy=false&isTabularSearchRequestOnSearchResultPage=no&medlinePmidWithoutMDLNPrefix=&overridingDateRestriction=&related=false&restrictdesc_author=&restrictDescription=&restrictName.ymai=ymai&restrictterm_author=&search=&search_area=journal&search_articletype=&search_currenturl=http%3A%2F%2Fjournals.elsevierhealth.com%2Fperiodicals%2Fymai%2Fsearch%2Fquick&search_datecombo=&search_dateradio=combo&search_doi=&search_federated=no&search_hits=1011&search_id=&search_issue=&search_issue_pii=&search_language=&search_medline=no&search_monthendcombo=&search_monthstartcombo=&search_operator1=&search_operator2=&search_OrderBy=descending&search_preview=true&search_query=%3Cspan+class%3D%22text_bold%22%3E%22asthma%22%3C%2Fspan%3E+AND+%3Cspan+class%3D%22text_bold%22%3E%22vaccines%22%3C%2Fspan%3E&search_reqcount=20&search_reqfirst=1&search_sort=relevance&search_source=The+Journal+of+Allergy+and+Clinical+Immunology&search_startpage=&search_tabularSearchValue=&search_text1=asthma+and+vaccines&search_text2=&search_text3=&search_text4=&search_volume=&search_within1=all&search_within2=&search_within3=&search_wordsexactly=no&search_yearend=&search_yearstart=&searchDisciplineField=all&terms1=asthma+and+vaccines&terms2=&terms3=

 

It does seem like vaccines might contribute to asthma, and asthma does  make many childhood diseases less safe (in addition to being dangerous in its own right).

 

I am quite eager to hear the breakdown of measles cases in Wales.  Who got measles?  How old were they?  Were they vaxxed, unvaxxed, partially vaxxed, status unknown?  I hope we get full data.

 

In a recent outbreak in Quebec 52 of the 98 teens that got mealses at one high school were fully vaccinated.  That is pretty significant.  

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2011/10/20/measles-quebec-vaccine-schedule.html

 

I do think the measles vaccine had something to do with the reduction of mealses cases in the developed world, however I am starting to suspect that if an outbreak takes hold, the vaccines is not as good as we once thought.  There seems to be a lot of vaccine failure.  The problem with trying to vaccinate away measles is that when an outbreak strikes, the people who get measles are the too young to be vaccinated and their mothers never had wild measles so cannot pass on antibodies to it and older people, such as teens and adults.  If vaccines wear off over time it makes sense that it will be teens and adults to get mealses.  Unfortunately, measles is best handled in the body by a child - not a baby, teen or adult.  


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I do think the measles vaccine had something to do with the reduction of mealses cases in the developed world, however iIam starting to suspect that if an outbreak takes hold, the vaccines is not as good as we once thought.  There seems to be a lot of vaccine failure.  The problem with trying to vaccinate away measles is that when anoutbreak strikes, the people who get it are the very young who are too young to be vaccinated and (most importantly) their mothers never had wild measles so cannot pass on antibodies to it and  older people, such as teens and adults.  If vaccines wear off over time it makes sense that it will be teens and adults to get mealses.  Unfortunately, measles is best handled in the body by a child - not a baby, teen or adult.  

 

You might find this a fascinating read from 1966, how they planned to eradicate measles in one year. Didn't happen obviously. At the time they felt they needed a 55% vaccination rate to achieve heard immunity.

 

Epidemdemiologic Basis For Eradication of Measles in 1967

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