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post #441 of 659
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Question: Those that are vegan and still breastfeeding, how were/are you able to get all of the proper nutrients to baby while bf'ing? Just curious because of this article

 

Warning: Might be a trigger to some.

 

 

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post #442 of 659
Becky, I'm glad you figured it out and that you won't have to pay.
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Also, I’m wondering if I need to tell people that Jasper may not hear well? Confused.

I think I would tell people. Do you know what he can hear? The daycare people should probably know just so they can give appropriate care. If strangers are talking to him and you know he can't hear them you could probably prompt them to speak up without giving out medical info. Hopefully your appointment next week will answer more questions.

Not much going on round here. I'm still trying to find the balance between staying home enough to clean the house and going out before they can mess it up.
post #443 of 659
Becky, I was vegan with my first. I've known MANY healthy vegan babies and toddlers. Most vegans I know are very health aware and supplement as needed to maintain health. Most toddlers I know adore nutritional yeast which contains B12. I've never even heard of a vitamin A deficiency being a vegan issue, but I'm a decade removed. There's a lot of dietary propaganda out there, so take it all with a grain of (sea) salt.
post #444 of 659
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Becky, I was vegan with my first. I've known MANY healthy vegan babies and toddlers. Most vegans I know are very health aware and supplement as needed to maintain health. Most toddlers I know adore nutritional yeast which contains B12. I've never even heard of a vitamin A deficiency being a vegan issue, but I'm a decade removed. There's a lot of dietary propaganda out there, so take it all with a grain of (sea) salt.

Had to chuckle at the highlighted part. lol.gif

 

Yeah, I'm a little ignorant to the ways of a vegan, so I thought I'd ask here. I in no way blame the parents here. There's probably alot more to the story than is written about. I feel bad that they are going through all of this. They shouldn't be punished whatsoever. They weren't neglecting his needs. I just think they didn't know. In cases like these, parents shouldn't be punished past losing their child. That's punishment enough. greensad.gif

post #445 of 659
I dot know how to hide things in a spoiler from my phone, so if you avoided Becky's spoiler above, just skip this post.

I assume there was more going on in the case. Like, if the baby was sick but the parents didn't take him to the doctor they would charge them with neglect. I went ahead and looked up the symptoms of B12 and Vit A deficiencies. Vitamin A deficiency is uncommon in developed countries (why I never heard of it) and linked with absorption problems as seen with celiac and Crohn's disease. B12 deficiency is also common with celiac and Crohn's. Makes me wonder if the baby had something very wrong in his belly. If it was a case of misdiagnosis that would be tragic but if it was a case where his parents kept him from medical care, it's neglect.
post #446 of 659

I have to agree with Sara mostly-  these articles that are "opinion" articles are always bias.  There was probably something else going on, and the parents were obviously medically negligent.  There is a certain amount of illness and warning signs that happen before a death like that. 

post #447 of 659

The site linked to appears to be an anti-vegan site (who knew that existed?!) trying to sell books. The author's claims are fairly ridiculous. Also, she changed the story around for effect. A quick google search to find a reputable article on the story (no, the link she provided doesn't count) led me to The Guardian. The real story is quite different:

 

 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/01/joel-sergine-le-moaligou-convicted

 
Baby was 11 months old. At her 8 month check up, she was healthy. The real issue was that she had pneumonia and her parents did not seek treatment for her. The vegan part was much smaller in the article. 

 

post #448 of 659
Amanda, lol, I almost googled the case, but went for the vitamin deficiencies instead. Thanks.
post #449 of 659
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If they were treating the baby with alternative medicine, she was still being treated. It angers me a bit that just because they didn't go to a hospital they're being charged with neglect. They had faith in alternative medicine, just as most people have faith in traditional medicine. And traditional medicine as well as alternative can lead to a person's demise, but the difference is that a doctor is blamed and not the parents, because once you enter a hospital, all responsibility is on medical staff and not the parents, who may be ignorant to what is going on with their child. I don't believe these parents were stupid, just under informed with outdated information. And this may not be their fault, if they lacked the resources to research on the internet, like many of us have the luxury of doing.

post #450 of 659
Well, I think that another difference is that a child being treated for pneumonia with traditional medicine is far more likely to recover than one being treated with homemade poultices. You have to draw the line somewhere. If a parent wants to treat their child's cold naturally, fine. But what about a broken bone? At some point, the line of medical neglect is crossed.
post #451 of 659
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Well, I think that another difference is that a child being treated for pneumonia with traditional medicine is far more likely to recover than one being treated with homemade poultices. You have to draw the line somewhere. If a parent wants to treat their child's cold naturally, fine. But what about a broken bone? At some point, the line of medical neglect is crossed.

 

I would draw the line there as well, but I'm trying to look at it from their perspective.

post #452 of 659
I refuse to look at anything from the perspective of people who would rather not seek medical attention for their critically ill child than have him treated with modern medicine. A quick google search leads to way more telling and unbiased articles (I'm mobile right now so no links). Things like this don't happen over night. I will spare you all the details of exactly how a fatality from medical negligence like this would occur, but it's not something they would have been able to shrug off or not notice. There comes a point when negligence and abuse are one in the same.
post #453 of 659
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I refuse to look at anything from the perspective of people who would rather not seek medical attention for their critically ill child than have him treated with modern medicine. A quick google search leads to way more telling and unbiased articles (I'm mobile right now so no links). Things like this don't happen over night. I will spare you all the details of exactly how a fatality from medical negligence like this would occur, but it's not something they would have been able to shrug off or not notice. There comes a point when negligence and abuse are one in the same.

Word.
post #455 of 659
I didn't like the therapist at all. They made me feel like I'm only having these feelings because I'm pregnant, basically.
I'm not trying to find someone that'll have my back, I'm trying to find someone that'll validate my concerns where his stories don't make sense... And help him to see that, so maybe he'll open up more.
Ughhh. Next!
post #456 of 659
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I didn't like the therapist at all. They made me feel like I'm only having these feelings because I'm pregnant, basically.
I'm not trying to find someone that'll have my back, I'm trying to find someone that'll validate my concerns where his stories don't make sense... And help him to see that, so maybe he'll open up more.
Ughhh. Next!

 

 

Uh oh. eyesroll.gif

 

Me and my ex saw a therapist that actually backed him in his thought that we should move to Texas and I should leave my support system and family, as our marriage was falling apart and he had been caught cheating on me.

 

All the schooling in the world does not give some people common sense enough to help others.

post #457 of 659
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Originally Posted by CDsMom1031 View Post

I didn't like the therapist at all. They made me feel like I'm only having these feelings because I'm pregnant, basically.
I'm not trying to find someone that'll have my back, I'm trying to find someone that'll validate my concerns where his stories don't make sense... And help him to see that, so maybe he'll open up more.
Ughhh. Next!

 

Please tell me you are joking. Please. Was it a man?? So does your dh just think you guys have moved on now??

post #458 of 659

Uuuuuggghhhh, Nicole!  I'm so sorry that's how it went.  Are you going to have a battle with your dh to go to a different therapist?  Is HE feeling validated in his actions and feelings now?  Not cool.

post #459 of 659
He knows I haven't because I still talk about it constantly but he's trying to move on.

His feelings weren't validated, but the GUY also basically said that we'd done a good job on our own and to continue in this path. I honestly don't know. I was fuming.

And he's still okay to go to someone else, but that just made him less of a believer and more of a, "Told you we could do it alone".

All I want to know is what you talked about!!! I know it wasn't innocent or you wouldn't have bragged about it, she wouldn't have sent you the picture, and she wouldn't have acted like you were dumping her when you told her you couldn't talk anymore!!! >=O I'm not stupid!!!
post #460 of 659

Nicole~ omg about the therapist saying your feelings were just because your pregnant. what a giant jerk. hug.gif

 

 

 

Harlan has his speech evaluation in June 12th that can't come soon enough. IRC still hasn't returned my call still.. I'm starting to think it might not even be worth it to go through them if they are so busy they can't take the time to return a phone call.

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