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post #21 of 33
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Not with you, because I have reported about 6 of your posts. Your mission here seems just here to attack and undermine and not to engage in serious discussion. Even some of our most ardent ProVax posters don't engage in the type of rapid fire attack posting (without actually adding any links, etc) that you are engaging in and it is really busting up the intellectual & respectful tone of this forum for me.

I would be happy to share those studies once management has a chance to deal with your posting style. <3
post #22 of 33
Thread Starter 
I can't rule out 'Online Reputation Management' on these forums, but when anger & rapid fire posting of personal attacks seem to be the style, it makes me especially wary of engaging with any poster who I suspect may have ties to industry or ProVax groups outside this forum. I expect everyone here to be just parents, who may be incidentally employed, but do not represent any Vax related interests including groups like NVIC or Shot @ Life. If I suspect otherwise, I disengage.
post #23 of 33
I'm a community college English professor. Given our household finances I would gladly sell out to pharma, antivax, or any other monied interests. But alas, I'll just go right on drawing my meager salary until they call.

I do strongly believe that antivaxers are a serious threat to the public health, but only through ignorance, not malice.
post #24 of 33
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Well I can't engage in a discussion with someone who believes my family is 'a serious threat to public health because of ignorance' especially when Coca Cola & Marlboros & RoundUp are flying off the shelves & that is not being considered a threat.

The idea in this forum is that we are all great parents grappling with one of the most serious & complex issues of our day, in which there are two valid perspectives.

The beginning of good debate is respect. I am not feeling any respect coming from your posts so far.
post #25 of 33
It isn't personal. Anyone who is provax believes that antivaxers are a threat to public health, by definition. Antivaxers believe that vaccines are a threat to public health and that we help perpetuate that threat by vaxing and supporting big pharma.

That's why these threads get so heated.
post #26 of 33
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That is not true. We don't even necessarily use the term 'antivax' in here. It is political & does not encompass the complexity of the issue, like 'antichoice'. It is not true that every ProVax person in here believes that Vax Abstainers are a threat to public health. First, 100% compliance is not required for even the most ardent herd immunity believers. Secondly, some folks just believe that Vaccines are the best choice for THEIR child!

Some of us are actually parents of Vax Injured children. My child specifically had a very clear, severe reaction, listed on the package insert of the Vaccine involved. That is when I started reading Primary Vax Research & being very disappointed by how little was known about the mechanism of this fairly common reaction.

I don't believe those who Vax are threats to Public Health. I believe in the sanctity of individual life & that Vax decisions are best made on an individual level, considering individual health. I do believe that the current state of Vaccine Research is lacking (placebos, true control groups, etc)
post #27 of 33
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Bottom line, I don't believe that ProVax posters are IGNORANT, I believe they have access to the same data set and interpret it differently than I do. One cannot have a good debate or discussion with someone they believe is IGNORANT.

post #28 of 33
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There may be some corruption in medical science - where large amounts of money are at stake I accept some people will act immorally. But I cannot believe its at the level it would need to be at to make the kind of vaccine safety coverup some people who post here and elsewhere seem to believe in.
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Then you don't understand the economics and the politics in the US.

It's ridiculously simple to keep people quiet when speaking out is equivalent to professional suicide,

I have scientists and doctors as friends, and in my family as well. They all say the same thing: there is an understanding that they must not speak out in any way against the pharmaceutical industry; to do so would jeopardize their funding, their grants, their employment.
post #29 of 33
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I don't believe those who Vax are threats to Public Health. I believe in the sanctity of individual life & that Vax decisions are best made on an individual level, considering individual health. I do believe that the current state of Vaccine Research is lacking (placebos, true control groups, etc)

I do think some vaccine practices might be a threat to public health.

 

2 examples off the top of my head:

 

-The reduction in wild chicken pox, as caused by the vaccine, is very strongly linked with the upswing in shingles.

 

-There is a link between females getting mumps and having a lower risk of Ovarian cancer (will find study if any requests)

 

So, people vaccinating does increase my risk of both shingles (as I have had CP and am not getting the immune boost I would have in the pre-vaccine era) and risk of Ovarian cancer - because I never had a chance to get the mumps.  

 

The kicker, though, is I don't think the above matters in the final analysis. Parents are going to make the best health decision they can for their child.  I think anyone screaming about herd immunity and selfishness really has to look at their own choices - the choice to vaccinate also affects public health and not always in good ways.  

post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

I do think some vaccine practices might be a threat to public health.

2 examples off the top of my head:

-The reduction in wild chicken pox, as caused by the vaccine, is very strongly linked with the upswing in shingles.

-There is a link between females getting mumps and having a lower risk of Ovarian cancer (will find study if any requests)

So, people vaccinating does increase my risk of both shingles (as I have had CP and am not getting the immune boost I would have in the pre-vaccine era) and risk of Ovarian cancer - because I never had a chance to get the mumps.  

The kicker, though, is I don't think the above matters in the final analysis. Parents are going to make the best health decision they can for their child.  I think anyone screaming about herd immunity and selfishness really has to look at their own choices - the choice to vaccinate also affects public health and not always in good ways.  

I'll add some more ways vaccines can harm public health:

1. The rise in vaccine-resistent meningitis serotypes.
2. Vaccine-induced polio from OPV.
3. False sense of confidence/lax public health practices from low-effectiveness vaccines.
4. Increased cases of extremely dangerous adult chicken pox due vaccine wearing off after purported 14-year duration.
5. "Flu-like illness" resulting directly from the influenza vaccine.
post #31 of 33
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I am more 'live & let live' about it, but I do think parents have become extremely lax about things like quarantine, sugar exposure, public pools & indoor playgrounds, etc as a result of overconfidence in vaxes . . . I mean, I'd like to buy the ProVax line about all parents putting health first & some just adding vaxes too, but every child but mine in his PreSchool brought a drink to school that was essentially sugar water plus dye every day & sales of those drinks aren't stumbling.
post #32 of 33
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Originally Posted by dinahx View Post

I am more 'live & let live' about it, but I do think parents have become extremely lax about things like quarantine, sugar exposure, public pools & indoor playgrounds, etc as a result of overconfidence in vaxes . . . I mean, I'd like to buy the ProVax line about all parents putting health first & some just adding vaxes too, but every child but mine in his PreSchool brought a drink to school that was essentially sugar water plus dye every day & sales of those drinks aren't

 

Horror!!

post #33 of 33

Yes, given the skyrocketing rate of diabetes, it is a horror.

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