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post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

...except, if you have a severe reaction to a vaccine, your insurance will not cover the resulting medical bills.  Even if you call it "vaccine-induced seizure and resultant brain damage" rather than "autism," the therapies necessary for any degree of recovery (speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, ABA, etc.) are either not covered by standard health insurance, or are covered in such ridiculously small amounts (we were covered for exactly EIGHT speech therapy sessions) that it's like a sick joke.

So it's not really fair to compare non-vaxers to smokers.

For those of us who have severe reactions to vaccines, we would either have to pay more to avoid vaccination, or pay more for the care necessary after vaccine damage.

Either way, it's punishing those who cannot be vaccinated--and there is absolutely no system in place to pre-screen for those who might be likely to have reactions.

I completely agree that it is an unfair comparison, but I see that argument being used. I think Dinahx also brings up a valid point about all the other choices people make that put health at risk. I once read somewhere that an obnoxious amount of the worlds healthcare costs can be attributed to issues/illnesses that could be largely avoided by breast feeding. Why wouldn't that be targeted first? Or obesity? Or pollution? Non-vaxxing parents are on the periphery, we are the minority, and therefor are the most convenient scapegoat to pin health issues on. There would be a massive tantrum if people were charged more for every Big-Mac they ate, but non-vaxxers? We already have a bad enough rap in the eye of society that I see something like raising our healthcare costs or denying coverage as being something that the majority of people would not blink an eye at.
post #22 of 31
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10103324/

This isn't the original piece I had referred to, but demonstrates the same point
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by tm0sweet View Post

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10103324/

This isn't the original piece I had referred to, but demonstrates the same point

WOW.

 

"RESULTS: In the first year of life, after adjusting for confounders, there were 2033 excess office visits, 212 excess days of hospitalization, and 609 excess prescriptions for these three illnesses per 1000 never-breastfed infants compared with 1000 infants exclusively breastfed for at least 3 months. These additional health care services cost the managed care health system between $331 and $475 per never-breastfed infant during the first year of life."

post #24 of 31

You might notice that the 15 tricks used by formula companies, listed below, are EXACTLY the same tricks used by vaccine manufacturers....

 

http://www.thealphaparent.com/2011/10/15-tricks-of-formula-companies.html

post #25 of 31
Thread Starter 

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=11806

 

 

 

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The modern healthcare system, like any powerful corporation, is designed to favor those who acquiesce with their rules & regulations; likewise to weed out & alienate those who do not fall into line with the rest of the “herd”. The entire cesspool of Western Allopathic Medicine, fueled by a powerful medical mafia monopoly, dominates our lives through an endless barrage of mainstream media propaganda, a giant social engineering model, run by select commitees of overpaid Technocratic Elites – void of any decent moral code of ethics, adherence to the Hippocratic oath or underlying sense of altruism toward humanity. How do we avoid their calibrated landmines, and retain what little we can of self reliance and self-sustaining capacity for natural immunity in these tyrannical times? We must reluctantly go along with their manufactured guidelines, in order to stand clear from the rest of the herd.  
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by emmy526 View Post

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=11806

 

 

 

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The modern healthcare system, like any powerful corporation, is designed to favor those who acquiesce with their rules & regulations; likewise to weed out & alienate those who do not fall into line with the rest of the “herd”. The entire cesspool of Western Allopathic Medicine, fueled by a powerful medical mafia monopoly, dominates our lives through an endless barrage of mainstream media propaganda, a giant social engineering model, run by select commitees of overpaid Technocratic Elites – void of any decent moral code of ethics, adherence to the Hippocratic oath or underlying sense of altruism toward humanity. How do we avoid their calibrated landmines, and retain what little we can of self reliance and self-sustaining capacity for natural immunity in these tyrannical times? We must reluctantly go along with their manufactured guidelines, in order to stand clear from the rest of the herd.  

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post #27 of 31

I'm not okay with insurers policing individual decisions like that. Even the surcharges for smokers make me uncomfortable, but if they're accompanied by support to help people quit I guess I support that reluctantly, since there really are no health benefits to smoking whereas there may be health benefits in some instances to not vaccinating. I have an issue with something being forced overall that is an individual decision. There needs to be good education on all these topics, but ultimately it is an individual choice. I also do not like the idea being pushed on people that making a particular choice that may cost them a lot of time/effort/money is definitely the best choice health-wise.

 

Breastfeeding, for instance. Certainly I think those who choose to breastfeed deserve support, but I don't think anyone should be guilted into it on the grounds that it's healthier. On a population level it's probably better than formula on some indicators, but that's no guarantee that those benefits will accrue to your individual child. Breastfeeding may be protective against ear infections, but my friend's breastfed 18-month-old just got tubes in his ears after his 7th ear infection. Just an example.

 

Bottom line: everyone should be able to make their own decisions based on what works best for them and their family. 

post #28 of 31

I agree with Pers.

 

As for it happening, I don't think it would. Coming from socialized medicine, it's not mandatory. In fact, the public insurance back home couldn't care less if you vaccinate or not.

post #29 of 31

Agreed! This question is moot for me, because in an ideal world, all healthcare would be available to all citizens of a country, paid for through taxes.

post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post

I agree with Pers.

As for it happening, I don't think it would. Coming from socialized medicine, it's not mandatory. In fact, the public insurance back home couldn't care less if you vaccinate or not.


Did pers post something on this thread that I missed? I just checked, and either I'm very tired and missing whole posts, or you are referencing something from somewhere else.
post #31 of 31
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Originally Posted by dinahx View Post

This is actually my biggest fear with national health care: that the only way to control costs will be to limit services OR police behavior . . . 


That Pek. It's a valid fear but I don't see it happen.

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