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Just got back from the ER...

post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 

Early this morning I had some mild cramping, and a little pink tinged discharge on my TP. I went to bed and slept until this afternoon, and about an hour after I got up the cramping and pinkish stuff on the TP was back. Called the OB practice after hours line, the nurse said it could be normal but if I was worried I should go to the ER. So, since I've been nervous for weeks now I decided to go in.

 

They did an ultrasound, blood work, etc. There is a sack in the uterus but no visible baby. I am measuring 5 weeks, instead of the 8 I calculated I should be at. My HCG levels are high. They did a pelvic and the doc says my uterus is closed and the bleeding he observed was very minimal. I have to go in to the OB in 2 days for more blood work to check levels. I've been doing the math over and over and I really just don't see how I can only be five weeks. So I think I'm just getting ready to miscarry. He said the levels will either go up or down by Weds when I have the recheck so I guess we'll know by then. So we'll see but my gut tells me the baby never developed.

 

Best of luck to the rest of you!

post #2 of 33

Oh no! So sorry to hear this. There is no way you've made a mistake about your ovulation day?

post #3 of 33

So sorry to hear this!

post #4 of 33
Thread Starter 

Lila, it's possible...but I can't wrap my head around being 3 weeks off. I did just read over my lab results myself, and noticed that my HCG level is also where it should be for 5 weeks, so I guess we'll see on Wednesday when they recheck my levels.

 

I did some math just now, counting backward from what the U/S report says, which is 5 weeks 3 days. If I do that I get a conception date of April 5, which is exactly 5 days past one day when we "did the deed" and 2 days before the next time. So, I guess I could be wrong.

 

I sure hope so.

post #5 of 33
Hoping for the best!
<3 <3
post #6 of 33

Hugs!!! I hope for the best for you!!!

post #7 of 33

Keeping you in my prayers!  Did they do an internal u/s?

This pg I had my first u/s at 6w1d. With the external - was IMPOSSIBLE to see much, so they switched to the internal. 

Even then, with the internal, at 6w... just so, so tiny!!  Seems like the earliest you can see a heartbeat via an internal is "5-6 weeks" -- so if you are anywhere in that grey area... it COULD be missed. (Also - the skill of whomever is preforming the u/s is a factor, yk?)

 

My dates were way off with one of my pg's. I was about 4 weeks FURTHER ALONG than I ever thought!  My daughter had "held on" through an entire regular old period!  I am saying this because ANYTHING is possible. I have heard stories going both ways  -- women scheduled for d&c's after quite a few tests, etc... go in for procedure, and on that day baby decided to look just perfect all of a sudden. 

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

 

That said, personally, I am very faithful. In your situation I would imagine (as I've been in similar situations) I would have a hope and pray for the best, but steel myself for the news I don't want.

And it is a sucky place to be in. You don't want to STOP being positive (bad vibes!!!), but also CAN'T have that same security and outright joy. So it's more like this hopeful (but scared to be hopeful at same time) dreadful worry. Like, frozen. Wishing time would SPEED UP (or go backwards and start over "better") so you would KNOW already.

 

Just saying all this so you know you are NOT ALONE.  And whatever the outcome may be - so many of us have been there (have walked ALL the paths laid out in front of you today, positive and negative). 

 

Again - you and your family are in my prayers!  stillheart.gif

 

xox

Rachael

DD, 15y

DS, 13y

DS, 12y

post #8 of 33
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Originally Posted by SagBaby2013 View Post

Keeping you in my prayers!  Did they do an internal u/s?

This pg I had my first u/s at 6w1d. With the external - was IMPOSSIBLE to see much, so they switched to the internal. 

Even then, with the internal, at 6w... just so, so tiny!!  Seems like the earliest you can see a heartbeat via an internal is "5-6 weeks" -- so if you are anywhere in that grey area... it COULD be missed. (Also - the skill of whomever is preforming the u/s is a factor, yk?)

 

My dates were way off with one of my pg's. I was about 4 weeks FURTHER ALONG than I ever thought!  My daughter had "held on" through an entire regular old period!  I am saying this because ANYTHING is possible. I have heard stories going both ways  -- women scheduled for d&c's after quite a few tests, etc... go in for procedure, and on that day baby decided to look just perfect all of a sudden. 

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

 

That said, personally, I am very faithful. In your situation I would imagine (as I've been in similar situations) I would have a hope and pray for the best, but steel myself for the news I don't want.

And it is a sucky place to be in. You don't want to STOP being positive (bad vibes!!!), but also CAN'T have that same security and outright joy. So it's more like this hopeful (but scared to be hopeful at same time) dreadful worry. Like, frozen. Wishing time would SPEED UP (or go backwards and start over "better") so you would KNOW already.

 

Just saying all this so you know you are NOT ALONE.  And whatever the outcome may be - so many of us have been there (have walked ALL the paths laid out in front of you today, positive and negative). 

 

Again - you and your family are in my prayers!  stillheart.gif

 

xox

Rachael

DD, 15y

DS, 13y

DS, 12y

 

 

 

Rachael,

 

Thank you! I so appreciate you taking the time to say all that and help bolster my hope a bit. It makes things like this easier to deal with. I have an appointment with the OB in the morning and it feels like an eternity until then!

 

Over the phone they said seven weeks, but that's based on my last period, even though I keep telling them I don't know exactly when that was! The ER doc told me he was saying 5w3d from conception, and that makes the dates, u/s results and HCG levels all right where the should be. Also I've had no more pinky/red on the tissue, so I am trying to be hopeful! I'm just taking it easy today.

post #9 of 33

Have you looked around online for similar situations?  I did just now... and found some interesting stuff.  Like - LOTS of stuff.  And with ALL of these women, ALL in the same situation, and the rate of many many more babies going to term than m/c - I'd say not only are you in good company, but it's fairly common with EARLY u/s.  

 

One thread contained this, I thought WONDERFUL, tidbit:

My midwife calmed us down and refered me to a chart that said at 5 weeks, 0% of ultrasounds showed a fetal pole, and at 6 weeks only 86% did. She felt that given that our dates were pretty much just a best guess, that this was not the end of the world.

Thread Location: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/670148/5weeks-no-fetal-pole-should-i-be-concerned

 

Article that says:  Development The gestational sac is often the first thing that most transvaginal ultrasounds can detect at about 5 weeks. This is seen before a recognizable embryo can be seen. Within this week, at about week 5 ½ to the beginning of the 6th week, a yolk sac can be seen inside the gestational sac. 

Article Location: http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/earlyfetaldevelopment.htm

 

*********And ------ MY FAVORITE!  Where there is same situation -- and then an update -- BABY BORN!!! With pictures of that newborn baby, that was "not there" at 5 weeks, when mama "should have been" 8 weeks. (So TAKE HEART!!)***********

Well- I went by what the 'calculators' say, and my doctor did too, so were guessing I got pregnant on 9/22 since it would have been right about when I was ovulating. Which would put me at 8weeks now. He decided to do an Ultrasound and just look around, he wasn't going to, but asked me if I wanted to, and I said, yeah- why not... ;) I was hoping to see something.... Well, all he can see is a gestational sac, w/ NO Fetus. He said that it is measuring to be maybe 5weeks. He poked around so much, ulgh... He said that he wants me to come back on Tuesday to do another ultrasound. 

He said either it is too early or the pregnancy is not going to be successful. I am devastated. My boyfriend and I want this baby soooo much. I've been looking around everywhere online to get more info and it seems that I just cant get enough. I've read some stories where this exact thing happened to others and the sac ended up being about 2 weeks younger than what the doctor said and that at the next ultrasound there was a fetus.. and one lady's story even said that she went back and none, went for a 3rd one, and boom- there was her baby...

Thread Location: http://www.misdiagnosedmiscarriage.com/mycommunity/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9500

 

Modern medicine is fabulous - WHEN it works.  All these super early tests, by super imperfect humans and our machines. And expectations based on averages.....  Causes an awful lot of stress, it seems.

 

Hang in there!!  

 

Rachael    xox

post #10 of 33
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SagBaby2013 View Post

Have you looked around online for similar situations?  I did just now... and found some interesting stuff.  Like - LOTS of stuff.  And with ALL of these women, ALL in the same situation, and the rate of many many more babies going to term than m/c - I'd say not only are you in good company, but it's fairly common with EARLY u/s.  

 

One thread contained this, I thought WONDERFUL, tidbit:

My midwife calmed us down and refered me to a chart that said at 5 weeks, 0% of ultrasounds showed a fetal pole, and at 6 weeks only 86% did. She felt that given that our dates were pretty much just a best guess, that this was not the end of the world.

Thread Location: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/670148/5weeks-no-fetal-pole-should-i-be-concerned

 

Article that says:  Development The gestational sac is often the first thing that most transvaginal ultrasounds can detect at about 5 weeks. This is seen before a recognizable embryo can be seen. Within this week, at about week 5 ½ to the beginning of the 6th week, a yolk sac can be seen inside the gestational sac. 

Article Location: http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/earlyfetaldevelopment.htm

 

*********And ------ MY FAVORITE!  Where there is same situation -- and then an update -- BABY BORN!!! With pictures of that newborn baby, that was "not there" at 5 weeks, when mama "should have been" 8 weeks. (So TAKE HEART!!)***********

Well- I went by what the 'calculators' say, and my doctor did too, so were guessing I got pregnant on 9/22 since it would have been right about when I was ovulating. Which would put me at 8weeks now. He decided to do an Ultrasound and just look around, he wasn't going to, but asked me if I wanted to, and I said, yeah- why not... ;) I was hoping to see something.... Well, all he can see is a gestational sac, w/ NO Fetus. He said that it is measuring to be maybe 5weeks. He poked around so much, ulgh... He said that he wants me to come back on Tuesday to do another ultrasound. 

He said either it is too early or the pregnancy is not going to be successful. I am devastated. My boyfriend and I want this baby soooo much. I've been looking around everywhere online to get more info and it seems that I just cant get enough. I've read some stories where this exact thing happened to others and the sac ended up being about 2 weeks younger than what the doctor said and that at the next ultrasound there was a fetus.. and one lady's story even said that she went back and none, went for a 3rd one, and boom- there was her baby...

Thread Location: http://www.misdiagnosedmiscarriage.com/mycommunity/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9500

 

Modern medicine is fabulous - WHEN it works.  All these super early tests, by super imperfect humans and our machines. And expectations based on averages.....  Causes an awful lot of stress, it seems.

 

Hang in there!!  

 

Rachael    xox

 

Rachael, THANK YOU again!!!

post #11 of 33
If you're not sure when your last period was, there's definitely hope! Just hang in there, and best wishes!
post #12 of 33
Hoping for the best.
post #13 of 33
Thread Starter 

Thank you ladies! Your support means a lot to me! Everytime I get a little red or brown on the TP I get worried again, but it's so minimal...a good friend of mine had a whole period worth of bleeding early in her last pg and he son is a happy, healthy 16-month-old now, so I am trying really hard to focus on the positive.

post #14 of 33
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Originally Posted by nantucketbreezes View Post

Lila, it's possible...but I can't wrap my head around being 3 weeks off. I did just read over my lab results myself, and noticed that my HCG level is also where it should be for 5 weeks, so I guess we'll see on Wednesday when they recheck my levels.

 

I did some math just now, counting backward from what the U/S report says, which is 5 weeks 3 days. If I do that I get a conception date of April 5, which is exactly 5 days past one day when we "did the deed" and 2 days before the next time. So, I guess I could be wrong.

 

I sure hope so.

 

Ultrasounds can easily be a few days off and with DD we did the deed 5 days before O so anything is possible! Praying for a good outcome goodvibes.gif

post #15 of 33
Thread Starter 

Headed to the doc now....thanks for all the support!

post #16 of 33

Praying for you and your family!

post #17 of 33

Right - as you said - my second pg, first child - I had an entire, NORMAL period. While being very pg with a healthy girl!  Our bodies are sooo not "textbook" - and our culture of medicine makes things worrisome when, for us, they are normal and perfectly part of our process.

 

Praying - and looking forward to hearing how it went!  

 

xox

post #18 of 33
Good luck nantucket! Keep us posted!!
post #19 of 33
Thread Starter 

Well ladies I wish I had better news. There is still just a sac, no baby at all. The doc was super kind, and we're waiting in blood work but she was honest and said she thinks I am going to miscarry. She said the shape of the sac is wrong too. So we're just waiting now I guess. I'm hoping it will happen naturally and soon so I can heal and move on. I knew I was taking a risk at my age (43) but my heart wanted another baby. I don't think we'll try again, but that's a wait and see at this point. Thanks so much for all your support.

post #20 of 33
*hug*
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