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post #21 of 66
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Originally Posted by livysmom View Post

I absolutely understand where you are coming from. I have decided on no vaccines for my daughter (now 5 mos. old) and I have put a lot of time and research into this issue. It is very upsetting to have someone who has done no research at all tell you that you are endangering your child or that you are crazy. At first I was going to do an alternative vaccine schedule that a naturopath had made for my daughter because even I, at one point, felt that no vaccines seemed scary and wrong. I never immediately dismissed all vaccines but researched each one individually and realized that none of them, in my opinion, seem to have more benefit than risk. So why is it that at times I find myself consumed with the fear of my child getting sick with one of the "vaccine preventable" diseases? Maybe it is because I have the fear that I will be blamed for it. Or maybe it is because society has engrained it into our brains that vaccines are a necessity to life. I even at times re visit my decision to not vax at all but always come back to the same conclusion: to vax is dangerous and the chance of my child catching and suffering a severe consequence from one of these diseases is far more minute than the chance of adverse vaccine reaction. Does anyone else share these fears and thoughts? I guess what it boils down to is I am stumped at how the majority of parents still vax, and most Dr.s till srecommend vaxing with all the information that is out there today!


I totally agree with you.

 

In the last couple of years I noticed that every year there was one vaccine that was pushed through the media scaring people into getting vaccinated for that very VPD. 2013 it is measles I noticed. So when I had my first child I was doing an extensive amount of research and the more I read and talked to other parents and so on the more I realised that I would delay all vaccinations until my DD1 was at least 1 year old. By that time I had read even more and then decided to not vaccinate at all. I have not regretted this decision. I am still doing a lot of research occasionally. I avoid bringing up the topic in conversation but when asked I honestly reply. Most parents I have met and who don't vax are very reluctant to give out information. The vaccine topic has become somewhat of a religious war. It is very scary to me and I wish it would just go away by itself. Seeing that individuals rights are being taken away by the state, undermined by health care professionals and being scared to death about VPDs through the media imperium just leaves me stunned with disbelief. What will be next? I try not to think about it too much but I have to admit that it just creeps into my mind on a daily basis. All those what ifs and how to prevent. So far homeopathy and herbal remedies have found a solid place in our lives. So glad to have found MDC and so many like-minded people/ mothers.

post #22 of 66

I am definitely alone among my peers regarding vaccines, but for the most part, I don't feel alienated or stressed about it. No one really knows about my vaccine choices except for family and a few friends. I simply don't talk about it.

 

What I see in mainstream media about non-vaxers really annoys me, so I avoid reading it. SO misinformed and deliberate in their intent to vilify non-vaxers-it makes me sick.


Edited by Chloebelle - 5/27/13 at 3:15pm
post #23 of 66
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post

you need to do some reading!!! eyesroll.gif it has! and this is what we now have-uh!


Ok, first of all - RE this: eyesroll.gif

You don't need to be rude to me.

You could have said that without the eye roll and duh at the end. Understand?

 

I'm just a mama volunteer here trying to help out because I find that this is one of the last places to have natural family living discussions and AP style chats. I try not to be a pain to any one, and I don't expect any one to be a pain to me.

I'm not all up on the vaccine semantic wars here because - quite frankly - I don't have time to delve in to as deeply as some.

 

I made my decision long before I even had kids.

The flagged posts is quite enough meandering in the vax section for me, most of the time.

 

So, suggest it to an admin and if they don't listen than they must have a reason. Does little to help your cause to show juvenile behavior to people who are trying to offer help, even if the suggestion HAS been suggested before, or a question asked 100 times before.

post #24 of 66
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Originally Posted by Kamiro View Post


Ok, first of all - RE this: eyesroll.gif

You don't need to be a snot to me.

You could have said that without the eye roll and duh at the end. Understand? I'm just a mama volunteer here trying to help out because I find that this is one of the last places to have natural family living discussions and AP style chats. I try not to be a pain to any one, and I don't expect any one to be a pain to me.

I'm not all up on the vaccine semantic wars here because - quite frankly - I don't have time to delve in to as deeply as some. I made my decision long before I even had kids.

The flagged posts is quite enough meandering in the vax section for me, most of the time.

 

So, suggest it to an admin and if they don't listen than they must have a reason. Does little to help your cause to show juvenile behavior to people who are trying to offer help, even if the suggestion HAS been suggested before, or a question asked 100 times before.

well you certainly did not take what I meant at all in the correct way

 

That is not at all how I meant it- we (on the other side) have had to deal with this for a long time and it was clearly meant at our numerous frustrations (I see eye rolls quite appropriate here!) with how we are referred to and how we are sectioned off- (thus the meaning of the wording mindful and having to post in this section, the rules spelled out as to post regulations), not at all directed as a personal towards you - you need to do some reading is clearly meant to understand why this section had to come about and all that is involved here - that's not negative towards you, it's negative as in how we are viewed on this side - as it was stated we are the opposite of mindful by wording and that IMO well deserves eyesroll.gif

post #25 of 66
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post

well you certainly did not take what I meant at all in the correct way

 

That is not at all how I meant it- we (on the other side) have had to deal with this for a long time and it was clearly meant at our numerous frustrations (I see eye rolls quite appropriate here!) with how we are referred to and how we are sectioned off- (thus the meaning of the wording mindful and having to post in this section, the rules spelled out as to post regulations), not at all directed as a personal towards you - you need to do some reading is clearly meant to understand why this section had to come about and all that is involved here - that's not negative towards you, it's negative as in how we are viewed on this side - as it was stated we are the opposite of mindful by wording and that IMO well deserves eyesroll.gif


Oh alright, Serenbat. My apologies then for assuming the worst, I hope you will accept it.

I get where you are coming from now. I am trying to learn about the politics with out getting involved in the politics (if that makes sense) and assumed the eye roll and duh were meant for myself.

No worries and thank you very much for explaining. smile.gif

post #26 of 66
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Chloebelle, where in Canada do you live?

post #27 of 66
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Originally Posted by livysmom View Post

I absolutely understand where you are coming from. I have decided on no vaccines for my daughter (now 5 mos. old) and I have put a lot of time and research into this issue. It is very upsetting to have someone who has done no research at all tell you that you are endangering your child or that you are crazy. At first I was going to do an alternative vaccine schedule that a naturopath had made for my daughter because even I, at one point, felt that no vaccines seemed scary and wrong. I never immediately dismissed all vaccines but researched each one individually and realized that none of them, in my opinion, seem to have more benefit than risk. So why is it that at times I find myself consumed with the fear of my child getting sick with one of the "vaccine preventable" diseases? Maybe it is because I have the fear that I will be blamed for it. Or maybe it is because society has engrained it into our brains that vaccines are a necessity to life. I even at times re visit my decision to not vax at all but always come back to the same conclusion: to vax is dangerous and the chance of my child catching and suffering a severe consequence from one of these diseases is far more minute than the chance of adverse vaccine reaction. Does anyone else share these fears and thoughts? I guess what it boils down to is I am stumped at how the majority of parents still vax, and most Dr.s till srecommend vaxing with all the information that is out there today!

This - exactly!!

post #28 of 66
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Originally Posted by ola13 View Post

Chloebelle, where in Canada do you live?

 

BC!

post #29 of 66
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Originally Posted by livysmom View Post

I do however believe that the CDC as a whole is more concerned with what makes money than what is actually effective and safe medical practice

 

yeahthat.gif  and the FDA....

post #30 of 66

You're far from alone.  I don't have little ones yet but I have already done the research and know enough to stop getting vaccinated myself AND to not allow my future kids to be injected with such nonsense and poison.  And I know how you feel.  It upsets me when people back vaccines and they have done NO research whatsoever.  I mean, if they did the research and still decided to vax, I'd still feel slightly better that they actually knew what they were doing.  It is very upsetting.  But there are plenty of people who agree with people like you and I, don't worry!

post #31 of 66

I have no idea who in my daughters play group has vaccinated fully and who hasn't. We just don't discuss it. Uncanny seeing the moms have grown to be very close and we seem totally open to discuss anything else. The ones who admittedly line up for whatever shot is available definitely have the unhealthiest children including the pediatrician in the group!!. Always something going on. What's funny is just today a friend asked how I felt about her daughter riding with us in a couple of days to go strawberry picking when she has had a runny nose. While I appreciate the concern, my response "It'll be fine. No worries" because I feel that confident in my daughter's immune system. Yet if they all new we were totally unvaxed I might get a different response if the shoe were on the other foot. Everyday I am more confident in my decision and am thankful that I have found like minded friends and a pediatrician who respects my decision as I know not everyone is that lucky.

OLA13 keep those antennas up the universe will send you the same!!! I have met people in the most random places. I would also look on meetup.com and facebook to see if there are groups in your area.

post #32 of 66
I can relate to the feeling of being the only ones who aren't vaccinating. I don't know many other families with small children, but I did join a mom& toddlers group when DS was just shy of 1 yr old. Another mom brought up the question of vaccines, because they had delayed them until 12 months. It was a group of about 12, and all the others had vaxxed according to the schedule. I did say that we had not and had no immediate plans to. One mom expressed some concerns about vax, but was going along with her dr!s advice. Only one seemed alarmed that DS was unvaccinated, and the subject never came up again.
Among the friends we do have with little ones, there are two who selectively vax. Other than those two, I don't have a good feel for others' opinions, because it is a difficult subject to discuss irl.
post #33 of 66

I know exactly how you feel. The debate is rising to a crescendo here in Australia & it makes me feel very alone & in fear on people knowing I choose not to vaccinate. Its like bullying tactics. My kids are teenagers now. I did get my first born vaccinated up to 12mths she had several reactions from vomiting to screaming all day after the vaccine & then after the MMR her gland in her leg was raised to the size of an almond. I couldn't get straight answers from docs & started questioning. I was too scared to get her 18mth injections & then at 2years of age she got German Measles with a glue ear straight after. It took me two years to decide & feel comfortable not to vaccinate. My second child hasn't been vaccinated conventionally I do homeopathics. Alot of people think this is lolly water but its not I've experienced certain things to prove otherwise for myself.

I can't believe how the debate has grown so much & people who choose not to vaccinate are ostracised or made to look like we are crazy, I feel its getting out of control. I had chicken pox, mumps & german measles as a kid so did my sister how did it all become scary? This is why I've joined this group to hopefully not feel alone. 

post #34 of 66
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Originally Posted by cherryripe View Post

I can't believe how the debate has grown so much & people who choose not to vaccinate are ostracised or made to look like we are crazy, I feel its getting out of control. I had chicken pox, mumps & german measles as a kid so did my sister how did it all become scary? This is why I've joined this group to hopefully not feel alone. 

it became scary when pharma started telling lies about it to sell their product, and the masses swallowed their bs without any question, and then started advising everyone to take the bs without question as well.  

post #35 of 66
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Originally Posted by dawnetorres View Post

 

OLA13 keep those antennas up the universe will send you the same!!! I have met people in the most random places. I would also look on meetup.com and facebook to see if there are groups in your area.

 

Yes I keep my antennas right up there. I couldn't find anyone on facebook. but i will look up meetup.com. Thanks

post #36 of 66
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Originally Posted by cherryripe View Post

I know exactly how you feel. The debate is rising to a crescendo here in Australia & it makes me feel very alone & in fear on people knowing I choose not to vaccinate. Its like bullying tactics. My kids are teenagers now. I did get my first born vaccinated up to 12mths she had several reactions from vomiting to screaming all day after the vaccine & then after the MMR her gland in her leg was raised to the size of an almond. I couldn't get straight answers from docs & started questioning. I was too scared to get her 18mth injections & then at 2years of age she got German Measles with a glue ear straight after. It took me two years to decide & feel comfortable not to vaccinate. My second child hasn't been vaccinated conventionally I do homeopathics. Alot of people think this is lolly water but its not I've experienced certain things to prove otherwise for myself.

I can't believe how the debate has grown so much & people who choose not to vaccinate are ostracised or made to look like we are crazy, I feel its getting out of control. I had chicken pox, mumps & german measles as a kid so did my sister how did it all become scary? This is why I've joined this group to hopefully not feel alone. 

post #37 of 66

I apologize for that quote with no comment. I obviously do not know how this whole thing works yetshrug.gif I was just wondering, cherrypie, what homeopathic alternatives to vaccines you use? I do not vaccinate my daughter. She is 5 months old and ebf. So far besides breast milk the only things I have given her are probiotics and vit d drops. I would love to know of other products used to boost immune systems!
 

post #38 of 66
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Originally Posted by livysmom View Post

I apologize for that quote with no comment. I obviously do not know how this whole thing works yetshrug.gif I was just wondering, cherrypie, what homeopathic alternatives to vaccines you use? I do not vaccinate my daughter. She is 5 months old and ebf. So far besides breast milk the only things I have given her are probiotics and vit d drops. I would love to know of other products used to boost immune systems!
 

I do homeopathic nosodes as well. (I think that is what cherrypie is referring to). Anyway i do it with Kate Birch 

http://vaccinefree.wordpress.com/homeopathicvaccine/

post #39 of 66

Thank you!
 

post #40 of 66
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post

I do homeopathic nosodes as well. (I think that is what cherrypie is referring to). Anyway i do it with Kate Birch 

http://vaccinefree.wordpress.com/homeopathicvaccine/

Yes it is Homeopathic Nosodes. I'm also giving them to my girls as teenagers. I go to a Naturopath who makes the kit up, Not all naturopaths do it.

I also do the same with my animals. I learn't from my first animal & with a natural diet they are so healthy & not greasy. You can tell the difference when mixed with other dogs. Even with animals I can't get into kennels & training groups because it scares them my animals aren't vaccinated conventionally. Yet my animals don't get sick & I have witnessed others who have when being amongst an animal that was sick, not saying its all 100% full proof but everyone has a better chance if their bodies aren't full of the toxins which are in the vaccines. Thats what does the harm.

Also good clean wholesome food & making sure your bodies are getting the right nutrients & minerals that keep our immune system strong.

I'm glad I found this group I was feeling like very alone, its nice to converse with like minded people, its hard to step out of line with what we are told to do by the government & doctors.

I remember a nurse saying to me the first time she handed my first born to me for her drink of breast milk, she said "now you are going to have a lot of people telling how to do things for your baby & what you should do, remember you are her mother & you know her the best". I've never forgotten those words its so true!

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