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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post

I do homeopathic nosodes as well. (I think that is what cherrypie is referring to). Anyway i do it with Kate Birch 

http://vaccinefree.wordpress.com/homeopathicvaccine/

Yes it is homeopathic nosodes. That is a good link you posted, I have a homeopath who makes the kit up for me. Like all things its not a 100% full proof but it helps the immune system.

I've added another link for your perusal.

 

http://www.homstudy.net/Research/

post #42 of 66
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Yes it is homeopathic nosodes. That is a good link you posted, I have a homeopath who makes the kit up for me. Like all things its not a 100% full proof but it helps the immune system.

I've added another link for your perusal.

 

http://www.homstudy.net/Research/

Yes - Kate Birch's program is based on the work of Dr. Golden as he is the father of homeoprophylaxis!!

post #43 of 66

That was a very true and beautiful thing that nurse told you. Even before I was considering not vaccinating my daughter I had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach every time I thought of the day I would take her to get her shots. I thank God now that I listened to my instincts and did my research that brought me to the conclusion to not vax. I am also glad I found this forum. I appreciate the info. on nosodes. I read up on them a little. From what I understand they are a natural alternative to shots and the effects only last a few weeks so they are mainly used when there is an outbreak of a certain disease. Is that how you use them?
 

post #44 of 66
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Originally Posted by Kamiro View Post
 
I am going to read up on this doctor. Thanks for sharing links.

 

 

Kamiro and livysmom,  did you have a chance to look Dr. Palevsky up? He has a website but also there are several videos on youtube. I like him that he raises a lot of questions to the medical community that there are no answers or studies to. This is a short interview with him. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM

 

and this is part 1 of 11 series. This is an interview with him when the whole h1n1 scare was happening

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IgLj2If44&list=PL61EEB79391789054

post #45 of 66

Yes I did look up Dr. Palevsky. I also watched one of his youtube videos and am looking forward to reading up on him more. Thank you for the links!
 

post #46 of 66
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Originally Posted by livysmom View Post

That was a very true and beautiful thing that nurse told you. Even before I was considering not vaccinating my daughter I had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach every time I thought of the day I would take her to get her shots. I thank God now that I listened to my instincts and did my research that brought me to the conclusion to not vax. I am also glad I found this forum. I appreciate the info. on nosodes. I read up on them a little. From what I understand they are a natural alternative to shots and the effects only last a few weeks so they are mainly used when there is an outbreak of a certain disease. Is that how you use them?
 

yes and no - please read Dr. Issac Golden's research

post #47 of 66
I am definitely alone! I am the only one of my friends and family choosing not to continue to vaccinate. It is tough! I get hammered from everyone! I have watched Dr. Tenpenny's presentation on youtube called Vaccines- The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices and I refer anyone who challenges me to just watch this. It is difficult not to have a close friend to talk about this topic! Reading these posts is definitely helpful! Thank you!
post #48 of 66

Yes thank you Marnica I would've replied with the same answer. My homeopath advises me. There is alot to read & a lot to take in.

Its very brave what you are doing mama2011 especially speaking out about it & having everyone come down on you. 

There was one lady who is now a friend from our mothers group. Out of 18 new mothers she was the only one not vaccinating, our babies were 3mths old then. The lady who facilitated the meeting came down on her like a ton of bricks. At the time I remember thinking ' I wonder why" . I felt sorry for her because the lady made her an example which in turn made her feel awful. I didn't realise the stigma until I decided not to vaccinate. I told her then how brave she was speaking out knowing she would be made to feel terrible at the time.

 

I have felt better finding this website too....its nice

post #49 of 66
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post
join the club! biggrinbounce.gif

 

 

 

there was a recent post in the "mindful" section that questions that use of words-I feel mindful is definitely not the correct term to be using if you vaccinate 

 

You can mindfully vaccinate and mindfully not vaccinate, and you can mindlessly do both as well.  The idea of mindfulness in immunizations is that you aren't just doing it because it is the current standard of care, but that you research the issues and problems and then make your decision.  Likewise, if you are in a community that doesn't vaccinate, and you just go with that flow rather than looking into the issues around it, you are not mindfully not vaccinating.  Now I admit that since it's unusual to be in a community where not vaccinating is so much the mainstream there that you don't want to admit that you do vaccinate, or decide it's easier not to do it, but it does happen.

 

You can mindfully do a lot of things, it doesn't mean that you are making what people would consider the good, right or moral choice.  It just means you are aware of what and why you are doing something; in my opinion, of course.  And I have both mindlessly vaccinated, and mindlessly not vaccinated--basically just gone with what was easiest for me at the time. 

post #50 of 66
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Originally Posted by Viola View Post

 

You can mindfully vaccinate and mindfully not vaccinate, and you can mindlessly do both as well.  The idea of mindfulness in immunizations is that you aren't just doing it because it is the current standard of care, but that you research the issues and problems and then make your decision.  Likewise, if you are in a community that doesn't vaccinate, and you just go with that flow rather than looking into the issues around it, you are not mindfully not vaccinating.  Now I admit that since it's unusual to be in a community where not vaccinating is so much the mainstream there that you don't want to admit that you do vaccinate, or decide it's easier not to do it, but it does happen.

 

You can mindfully do a lot of things, it doesn't mean that you are making what people would consider the good, right or moral choice.  It just means you are aware of what and why you are doing something; in my opinion, of course.  And I have both mindlessly vaccinated, and mindlessly not vaccinated--basically just gone with what was easiest for me at the time. 

 

the use of the word "mindful" on here (as in the section for those who do vaccinate) and a separate section for those who are to posts opposite, is my issue with the word

 

- very poor choice-IMO and shows great disrespect for us on the other side (BOTH should have the word on don't use it!!!!!) - it clearly indicated one side is mindful and that makes the other side????? irked.gif

 

why not just make it simple without offensive wording - "vaccinating" and "not vaccinating"  - to the point and super simple for all?

post #51 of 66
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the use of the word "mindful" on here (as in the section for those who do vaccinate) and a separate section for those who are to posts opposite, is my issue with the word

 

- very poor choice-IMO and shows great disrespect for us on the other side (BOTH should have the word on don't use it!!!!!) - it clearly indicated one side is mindful and that makes the other side????? irked.gif

 

why not just make it simple without offensive wording - "vaccinating" and "not vaccinating"  - to the point and super simple for all?


Ya, I never really gave it much thought before, but you are right. WTHeck is a "mindful vaccination" board and what is the purpose??? I went there once thinking it was for those of us who MINDFULLY make decisions regarding vaccines, because, I MINDFULLY choose NOT to vaccinate. Kind of confusing.

post #52 of 66

Exactly my thoughts. Though I choose not to vaccinate, I do not criticize parents who choose to vaccinate so I expect the same respect in return. Every parent has the right to do what they feel is best for their child in every situation and deserves to do so without criticism (unless of course we are speaking of obvious neglect or abuse). I think is not wise to vaccinate without doing any research just because a Dr. says you should, and just the same I feel it is unwise to not vaccinate without research just because someone says you shouldn't. The thing is, if we all are being honest, most of the time people who vaccinate fully are usually the ones who do so with no research (Mindlessly, if you will) because they are trusting what the Dr. tells them. I do not judge these people because society tells us we can trust a Dr.s opinion. I however, in my personal experience, have found that it is always best to do research of your own on most medical decisions when possible. Most doctors don't even agree with each other on many issues, so why should I trust the first one who tells me what to do? On the flip side, most people who choose not to vaccine, choose so because they have done extensive research. So I agree, lets just drop the "mindfully". Either you vaccinate or you don't.

post #53 of 66
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Originally Posted by livysmom View Post
On the flip side, most people who choose not to vaccine, choose so because they have done extensive research.

 

Exactly, which I guess is why they have a "Mindful Vaccination" board, because many (some would argue most) parents vaccinate without doing research. However, it just seems unnecessary to have a board dedicated to "mindful" vaccinations. Whichever way you came to the decision to vaccinate, you still vaccinate, so why set yourself apart?


Edited by Chloebelle - 6/5/13 at 4:53pm
post #54 of 66

Ladies, poking my head in to say that yes, your complaints have been heard and since earlier in the thread a few mods have inquired here about the issue.

No one here is ignoring you- if/when we get a definite answer of course y'all will know as soon as somethings said. It really doesn't help to keep beating the horse - I think it's taking his last breaths as we speak.

 

Can we go back to the original topic, pretty please?

post #55 of 66
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Originally Posted by Kamiro View Post

Ladies, poking my head in to say that yes, your complaints have been heard and since earlier in the thread a few mods have inquired here about the issue.
No one here is ignoring you- if/when we get a definite answer of course y'all will know as soon as somethings said. It really doesn't help to keep beating the horse - I think it's taking his last breaths as we speak.

Can we go back to the original topic, pretty please?
It is good to hear that mods are listening, but this seems rude. I think this has been a legitimate discussion, and a valid offshoot in a thread which began by addressing a sense of being alone/persecuted for the decision to not vaccinate- not 'beating a dead horse.'
post #56 of 66
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Originally Posted by Jennyanydots View Post


It is good to hear that mods are listening, but this seems rude. I think this has been a legitimate discussion, and a valid offshoot in a thread which began by addressing a sense of being alone/persecuted for the decision to not vaccinate- not 'beating a dead horse.'


If I appear rude, my sincere apologies.  peace.gif I hope you believe me when I type that it isn't my intention.

So, I'll rephrase:

Just wanted to let y'all know we've inquired for every one, and not really much else any one can do at that point. The OP was about feeling like the only one in the world who doesn't vax....

Here on Mothering, there are tons of us who don't vax. So as for word terminology being the same ball park as the OP - Personally, *I* don't buy that its a form of persecution -especially when it is something already mentioned that we'd ask about.

 

Just my opinion.

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post #57 of 66
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the use of the word "mindful" on here (as in the section for those who do vaccinate) and a separate section for those who are to posts opposite, is my issue with the word


Ya, I never really gave it much thought before, but you are right. WTHeck is a "mindful vaccination" board and what is the purpose??? I went there once thinking it was for those of us who MINDFULLY make decisions regarding vaccines, because, I MINDFULLY choose NOT to vaccinate. Kind of confusing.

 

Oh, I see the issue now.  So for some it might seem that mindful vaccination discussion would include not vaccinating, and instead not vaccinating at all is confined to their own forum where the word mindful is omitted. I can see how that might appear.  Many of us here are so used to the history and our own perspective, that doesn't even leap out as unusual, but it is helpful to see how it is being interpreted.

 

Serenbat, you've probably been here long enough to remember when Mothering didn't have a forum for people who vaccinated. Or maybe not, I honestly don't remember when it happened, because I've avoided much of the vaccination discussion.

 

I joined this board over 12 years ago now, and I subscribed to the magazine for a number of years starting in 1999.  My perspective is that Mothering supported the alternative view related to parenting, so hosted lots of discussions about people who were passionate about not immunizing, and a place for people to research the issues with vaccines with support for not having it done. The articles in the magazine were always about the problems with immunizations and offered support for parents who didn't want to do it.  My memory of my early days here were that we often talked about vaccination in the Talk Amongst Ourselves forum. I remember very long posts by a member who went onto write a book that supports not vaccinating. 

 

I felt that the topic vaccination was  rather like spanking--if you were researching why not to do it, you could talk about it. Now I don't know if this is accurate, or if other people had the same interpretation, it was just how it came across to me.  Just like we didn't have forums supporting formula feeding discussion, or a discussion for sleep training methods that aren't in keeping with attachment parenting, and so on.  If you did vaccinate and you wanted to learn more about it under the context of actually wanting to do it, MDC was not necessarily the place for this discussion, IMO.  But, of course, there was debate that popped up all over.

I feel like the creation of a mindful vaccination forum was to deal with this. It was meant for people who wanted to immunize, but may have wanted to delay or selectively vaccinate and wanted to be able to ask questions about ingredients or the risks and benefits of specific vaccines, etc.  I honestly don't think it was ever meant to be a place for people who vaccinate on schedule and don't believe in questioning vaccination to come for support. But there needed to be some separation for those who wanted information about vaccines and those who are passionately committed to not doing it in any circumstance and need support & information for that.

This is just my opinion as a member of this site, I am not specifically speaking for Mothering or any of the admins or moderators here.  

post #58 of 66

Viola and Kamiro, I was posting on the vaccine boards during the era that you describe, and the discussions were on the vaccination board, they were extremely lively and very informative for those researching the vaccine issue. I look upon those times, as the good ol' days. The specific person to which you refer is still a member of MDC, although rarely, if ever, posts now. She is still active on the subject, just on her own blog and forum, probably because she has better things to do with her time given nature of the vaccine board in recent years, but it is a shame that newer members do not have the benefit of her knowledge and wisdom, unless they go searching in the archives. 

post #59 of 66

The title of the forum came out of suggestions for names that were given. We polled the community and that was they choice most voted  for. That thread is here: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1361124/vaccinations-forum-which-of-the-following-do-you-feel-would-be-best/0_100

 

If you do have an issue with "Mindful Vaccination" I suggest you post to that thread to raise it as a discussion and we can consider things in a better perspective. For this thread let's get it back on to the topic the OP started it for and not about the forum title. 

post #60 of 66
I am new to mothering and my impression of "Mindful vaccinating" was a place for someone like me. I have already gave a few shots and am undecided whether or not to continue. I am definitely not following a schedule and I have chosen to given certain vaccinations. The literature I read screams out not to vaccinate anymore, however society screams...you're nuts to allow your child to get a disease.
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