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Pro-vax trolls are impersonating disease-injured families on comment boardspost #1 of 115/29/13 at 5:12amThread Starterpost #2 of 115/29/13 at 6:22ampost #3 of 115/29/13 at 7:47am
Disgusting. Um, who is the real wacko lol?Quote:clog up the sites with it until it appears that a large fraction of the members are downright wacko. This will seriously turn off undecideds who check out those sites.Quote:The way to fight it is by sabotaging the anti-vaxers with crazy stuff that drives away undecideds. The way to fight it is with emotional narratives that undermine the ones that the anti-vaxers are pushing.
We experienced this right here at MDC, which is one of the reasons why the Vaccinating section was reconfigured. I remember some members brought this to the attention of the forum, and were then reprimanded for doing so. Apparently, it is ok to engage in obvious Orac-behavior, but not ok to point it out. ?
The boards are calm, for now. Once Orac commands then next wave, be ready for his followers to flood the boards again.post #4 of 115/29/13 at 8:45am
How does one get to the point where the become so emotionally involved the health care choices of other people? Health care choices which should have almost no bearing on their own lives. I mean vaccines work relatively well right? They've erradicated diseases and almost always confer immunity, isn't that what we've been told? So it is a reasonable assumption that if you vaccinate yourself and your own children, then me and mine are of almost no consequence to you and yours. After all, aren't we told that our children are being protected by theirs through herd immunity, so that even my fully unvaccinated are at very little risk of catching and passing on the diseases they are worried about.
Or they just afraid of their emperor being caught naked?post #5 of 115/29/13 at 9:55amThey will reply that vaccines don't alway work, so almost everybody should be forced to use them. They will also say that everyone should be forced to use them to protect the immunocompromised. Both arguments are based on twisted "logic."
First, if pharmaceutical product isn't working, we should be demanding a better product, not forcing a crappy product on even more people. If we do the latter, what incentive will manufacturers have to develop a better product? Development, patenting, and approval-seeking require time and money. Also, by developing a better vaccine, the "herd immunity" threshold would be lower, so fewer people would have to buy the product, resulting in lower profits. Make a crappy product with low effectiveness, and they can justify forcing the product on more and more people even to the point of taking informed consent rights away.
Second, most diseases are not vaccine-targeted, so the immunocompromised will always need to take common-sense precautions regardless of everybody's vax status. Everyone around them could be CDC-compliant, and nothing would change about their lifestyle or the precautions they should take.
At any rate, the fanaticism of these individuals in question is scary. But I'll fight five times as hard for my rights as they do to take them away.post #6 of 115/29/13 at 11:13ampost #7 of 116/2/13 at 9:44pmQuote:
I will see if that is possible. Of course, I do have an unvax child with autism so you may want to be a wee bit suspicious of my offer to help... lolQuote:The next time you see comments saying: ‘My unvaccinated child has autism..."post #8 of 116/3/13 at 2:24amSome people seem to need to have everyone do what they do. I saw it when my son was young with other subjects, like breast versus bottle feeding, and co versus crib sleeping. It's weird, to me. I don't need them to make the same choices that I do to feel secure in my decision, but they seemed to need me to tell them that they were right and I was wrong. It didn't happen, so they got more and more upset.post #9 of 116/3/13 at 4:06pmpost #10 of 116/19/13 at 12:17ampost #11 of 116/19/13 at 3:13amThread Starter
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