Originally Posted by dalia
Your last paragraph... So you do not take issue with my not vaccinating, yet you would like the opportunity to sue me? And for what it's worth I don't care what other people choose to do as far as vaccines and would never dream of telling them what to do and certainly not forcing them. I don't think I have seen a person who doesn't vax, at least on this board, that wants to control other people's vax decisions. We simply want our decisions to be ours, exclusively, without suffering the wrath of others.
As far as education goes, I think informed consent goes a long way.
It is unfortunate that this debate can lead to such a wild accusation.
The premises about immunization have been presented in a transparent and clear way:
- vaccines have been proven to greatly reduce the chance of contracting a given disease
- vaccines may cause adverse events, but these for the most part are mild. Severe cases are, for the most part extremely rare
- Some people should not take given vaccines (info provided in VIS)
- General consensus is that there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, SIDS, diabetes and other claimed side effects. It is acknowledged that this does not mean that vaccines do not cause these side effects. But given the consensus of experts about the issue, it is highly unlikely that vaccines cause these claimed side effects.
- No evidence that the amount of vaccines on the regular schedule, overwhelm the child's immune system
- Currently, risk of serious injury, whether directly from a disease for which a vaccine is available or from the vaccine itself is very small. This is the case provided vaccination rates remain high. Otherwise risk of serious injury may dramatically increase.
These are some of the main arguments. According to them, it is quite clear that parents are better off vaccinating in general (of course, weight of each argument will differ per vaccine). Evidence for each and every argument above can be found online, a lot of it in the debate threads of mothering.com. Sadly many parents refuse to accept the evidence provided for one or more of the arguments above. And instead, promote to other parents the unfounded claim that vaccines are dangerous.
Hence my doubts of whether more education will be enough. The consensus about scientific evidence is there it is very easy to find. Some parents simply choose to not accept it.
Originally Posted by Jennyanydots
I think there are common sense reasons for declining some vaccines that your simplistic interpretation does not take into consideration. For instance, Hep B at birth is not medically or scientifically indicated for many if not most of the population. It is administered in the hospital purely for the sake of convenience. Educating oneself on whether this vaccine is right for one's newborn and deciding it is not does not = stubbornly refusing to accept good information. This is a more complex subject than you're making it out to be.
My arguments have often been about the vaccines most hotly debated. I've never even addressed the Hep B vaccine if I remember correctly. Having said that, did you know that hep B infection can lead to cancer of the liver? http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-vaccine/hepatitis-b-vaccine.html Here's the VIS for the Hep B vaccine http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/hep-b.pdf
Edited by bakunin - 8/26/13 at 9:53am