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post #21 of 27
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It is generally considered unethical to conduct studies on unvaccinated children, because, even if you disagree, the people conducting the studies believe that it is harmful to children to keep them unvaccinated. It's not because they are trying to hide anything.

 

We've all heard that one before. Of course there are children already unvaccinated by parental choice. Nothing unethical about studying kids who are already unvaccinated by parental choice. Hey, it would even be an opportunity to get one extra lecture in. I'm sure the ethical guidelines would require a lecture and offering all vaccines free of charge, should the parents change their minds.

 

Of course this wouldn't work for all types of studies, such as double blind placebo controlled, but it would work for some.

post #22 of 27

(((sigh))) Gosh, I wish this board was private...

 

This is a "I'm not vaccinating" board. If you are doing research and would like information on why many of us choose not to vaccinate, then perhaps you may want to "research" some older threads. Your agenda is obvious. *yawn*

 

 

Look very closely at my avatar...

post #23 of 27
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The other types of studies have occasionally been tried in this case, and as far as I know they have all been poor quality or demonstrated strange/mixed results. 

 

I am not aware of any large studies that have compared unvaccinated and fully vaccinated children. Partially vaccinated vs. fully vaccinated doesn't count. Or vaccinated on a slightly different schedule vs. on schedule. Or missing one certain vaccine vs. not missing that once certain vaccine. Etc.

 

If the government and/or pharmaceutical companies wanted to do it, they would find the money, and they would find a way to do a well designed study. They should be completely confident that the results would show that fully vaccinated children are healthier than unvaccinated children. Those results from a large, well designed study would convince many reluctant parents to vaccinate, I'm sure.

post #24 of 27
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This is a support-only forum, as in we are not here looking to convince others of our position but to support one another in our mutual decisions to not vaccinate. 

I also have zero desire to convince anyone of my rights

 

It's so easy (if you really are doing research) to find things - like what this sections is for and NOT for and it's easy to read as well, but if you want things just handed to you without doing the work yourself..........well

 

and I have less than ZERO desire to respond to someone that thinks "vaccines are great" (IMO- that mind is closed shut, no matter what is presented) biglaugh.gif

 

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The paper isn't anything yet... so far I have a title page without a title. It isn't about reflecting the "current standard" or status quo, but about backing up any claims with reliable, peer-reviewed literature. If you want to convince people that the current status quo is wrong, it seems to me that the hostile, suspicious attitude I'm getting from most of this community is completely counterproductive. If you want to convince outsiders to accept your beliefs, the first thing you should be willing to do is discuss why you believe what you believe. That's what I asked, and almost no one was willing to give me an answer. Still, I accept your verdict, and I'll stop asking.

post #25 of 27
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I started looking at some older threads, but thanks for the suggestion. The claim made in your avatar is false, though I'm not sure what they mean by "official." If you want to discuss it, out of respect for the rules I started a new thread at http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1385228/vaccines-are-great. Please reply there.

i cannot reply to futher threads of yours due to the nature of the title of the new one you started.  Let's just agree to disagree...and as far as my son's vaccine damage, it is not up for discussion, sorry.  If you were simply a mother on here looking for answers, that would be one thing, but you clearly have a set choice of what's right in your mind.  I can't imagine knowing about my son will help your cause.  If anything, i feel it would lead to finger pointing, and the usual 'prove it' tactics and arguments from your side.  Sorry if i seem a little put off, but tthat's what i've been dealing with for 25yrs. 

post #26 of 27
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If you want to convince outsiders to accept your beliefs, the first thing you should be willing to do is discuss why you believe what you believe. That's what I asked, and almost no one was willing to give me an answer. 

I don't want to convince people to accept my beliefs.  

 

I just want to be left alone to do as I see fit.

 

It is about parental choice.

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