Originally Posted by djrn
I think it's admirable when someone is willing to take a nuanced position, rather than claiming all vaccines are dangerous, but I think some of your skepticism may be misplaced. The study you are linking to about narcolepsy is very recent and I haven't seen the study itself so I can't speak to it. However, I would point out that many studies of the swine flu vaccine show an adverse reaction profile similar to seasonal flu vaccines, which tend to be very rare. In fact, I saw a study showing that incidence of Guillain-Barre syndrome (which was mentioned as a possible side effect) in the vaccinated was lower than in the unvaccinated. It would also be worth noting that GBS can be caused by flu infection, which may be the reason. So I wouldn't necessarily take those claims (particularly from the sensationalist media) at face value.
And why would the study being recent be a bad thing? It's new information, it's valuable, and new info is what we want, not 20 year old.
If you clicked the link, it's a huge study, it goes over more than 2 years and compares millions of kids, like pointed out below here really:
Originally Posted by ma2two
"The study, which took place between October 2009 and the December 2011, compared 3.3 million vaccinated Swedes with 2.5 million who were not vaccinated.
"We can see that over the whole study period we have 126 cases of those vaccinated getting narcolepsy," Ingemar Person, professor behind the study, said in a statement on Tuesday. "There were 20 cases among those not vaccinated. We're talking about a threefold increase in risk."
And, that was just the quickest link I could find in english. But I also know that it wasn't just Sweden who discovered this, Norway did too. I don't know about other places.
The majority of those kids would have been fine, without the vaccine, even if they did get sick. And now they have to live with a disease like Narcolepsy, which is no walk in the park. It's actually a vaccine injury that matters greatly to those affected, it has an impact on every day life, for the rest of their lives.
I'm just saying that I'm incredibly glad my kids didn't get that shot. And I was pregnant one winter when the shot was recommended for pregnant people spesifically, and I refused. And my doctor at the time seemed surprised that I said that there's no way I'd put that risk on my unborn child. While she probably thought the opposite, that not getting the shot was more risky.
Anyway, I've got a GP now that is a big improvement, she supports us in selctive vaxing and delaying.
Uh, I got carried away. I think my point is that I find it hard to trust new vaccines to be safe, because how can they *possibly* know that when it is so new. And as it turns out, they don't know that. But they still say so. I have a huge problem with that. I feel lied to then, and it means I can't trust my government for health info. (And honestly, I would actually want to trust them, if they proved to be trustworthy, that would be so easy.)