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Oops! Left a gallon of raw milk in the car over night...I feel like it's safe but need reassurance.

post #1 of 18
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Cow was milked Wednesday, milk delivered to the HFS Thursday, I bought it Friday around 3pm.  Ran a quick errand and then forgot it on the back seat of the car.  The car was garaged all night.  It's probably just over a hundred out there this time of year.

 

When I brought the milk in this morning, the jug wasn't the slightest bit bloated and when I broke the seal on the lid it didn't pop.  The milk smells perfectly normal.  It's been in the fridge all day and now I need to feed my friendship bread starter...I've just read up on traditional clabber but I need to hear that I won't kill my kids by using this milk.  It's $10 worth, but I'll dump it if I have to.

 

I read somewhere that when in doubt, we can offer the food to a dog to do a sort of canary test...only problem is, my dog is fairly opportunistic and I've seen her eat some really gross stuff so maybe that's not the direction I'll take with this one!  haha

post #2 of 18

Absolutely not safe.  I would not feed the starter with it, I would not feed it to the dog.  I would not consume any milk, pasteurized or not, that had been unrefrigerated for that long, no matter how it smelled.

post #3 of 18
I've drank milk that was left out overnight and havent had any repercussions. It was pasteurized but the principle is probably still the same. Smell is a good indicator of how safe it is to drink--if it smells a little off then dont drink it but if it smells normal then its fine.

Heres a helpful link: http://askville.amazon.com/long-milk-left-room-temperature/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4029541
post #4 of 18

As a Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, my neighbor brought me fresh milk every day. I boiled it and had a morning cup, it sat out, then I would reboil it at night and have another cup, unless it smelled bad. That was what everybody did in the village. I personally would never drink raw, unboiled/unpasteurized milk, but... that's a different topic :)

post #5 of 18

It is 100% not safe.

post #6 of 18
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So far, none of us have consumed it... Well, I fed my friendship bread sponge but just as an experiment.

Gotta say, I'm more than a bit surprised to see all the "nays" here on the TF board. Perhaps a poster not opposed to raw milk might weigh in?

Anyone here produce their own clabber?
post #7 of 18

honestly I might say don't give it to the kids mainly because it's an uncontrolled clabber, however I wouldn't have a problem using it in cooked applications, as long as it smells fine and is of a non lumpy consistency, I don't know really what a  friendship bread sponge is, is it a perpetual sponge, or a single use because that could make a difference?

post #8 of 18
Take this for what it's worth because we drink organic, not raw milk. But I just looked up what clabber is and how it's made. Isn't it when raw milk is left on the countertop to basically sour? I don't see what the difference is between the car and the countertop. To me the smell means a lot...
post #9 of 18
I wouldn't drink it either. They say baby can take freshly expressed breast milk 6-8 hrs at room temp, I wouldn't push raw milk much past that. It isaw milk, its not like it has super powers.
post #10 of 18
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My friendship bread is new as I haven't made if in a few years. Its one cup of flour, one cup of sugar, and one cup of milk. Wait three days and add three more cups of stuff, repeat in three days, add a few more things and bake. I've always done it with cane juice sugar, this time I used rapadura. it smells off but I think it's the sugar. Gonna dump the starter and start over with regular sugar.

My experimental one cup jar of clabber smells great. Don't know yet if I'm gonna sample it.

I put a teeny bit of the milk in my coffee earlier and I'm still breathing. Still not planning to let the kids have any.
post #11 of 18
Making raw milk keifer, yogurt, buttermilk involves leaving milk out overnight. Granted you are adding cultures which change the texture, but that is how people originally cultured their milk - by letting it sour. The main issue is the health of the cow and the cleanliness of the farm. If I felt good about those things I would have no problem with consuming raw milk that had been "spontaneously cultured".
post #12 of 18
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The source is very clean, it's grass fed milk and while I haven't been to the farm myself, it's widely recognized in this area as a safe, reliable source.  The clabber is pretty much separated, I might taste it tomorrow and then strain it and see how it smells and tastes before I decide what to do with the rest of the gallon. 

 

I'm definitely not letting the kids drink it, but I want to use it somehow so it doesn't go to waste.

post #13 of 18
I'd drink it. Or leave it out longer and make raw cream cheese. There are some good youtube videos on how to do that but basically you let separate and strain it and eat the solid part and use the liquid whey to ferment veggies or fruit or put in smoothies etc.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for replying. smile.gif. I've decided not to let the kids have it but I am going to experiment with clabbering the rest of the gallon and eating it myself. Can't wait to try real cream cheese!
post #15 of 18

Some of the best "cream cheese" I've had, has been made with leaving raw milk out for a couple of days, then straining it in cheesecloth.  I would not do this with pasteurized milk unless I've added cultures.  That's basically what you have done.  I trust my taste buds and sense of smell and in this situation, I would taste it myself, wait a day, and if there is no reaction, eat the rest of it.  I would not, however, use my kids to test on.  Funny story about packaged yogurt and my husband.  He found a yogurt in our fridge that expired within a week, however I didn't realize until after he ate it that the expiry date was from the previous year since I had not bought that brand of yogurt since then.  He was fine, but I didn't tell him how old the yogurt was until the following day.

post #16 of 18

Oops! Left a gallon of raw milk in the car over night...I feel like it's safe

I'd use it for yogurt, baking, or cheese but probably wouldn't drink it. I know it's fine to leave fresh raw milk out for a while buy not sure about a couple days old milk.... I'm kinda squeamish though.

I have left our raw milk in the car for a couple of hours and used it without worrying at all.
post #17 of 18

When life gives you left out raw milk... make cheese!! Yummy!

post #18 of 18
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Eleven days out from milking...gonna wait three more days then take the milk out of the fridge and clabber it and see if I can get some good cream cheese.  Will report back in a week or so!

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