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post #21 of 33
I appreciate your exact numbers & I basically agree with them, based on my experience but I feel like Thimerosal is still a huge issue, just a little more avoidable if you have access to the Internet, some resources & ability to duck & weave.
post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by dinahx View Post

^Freakin FABULOUS point. Where is similar outrage against Donald Trump or Rob Schneider?

Also, if you are a FEMINIST, don't call another woman a Playmate as a diss. IMO.

Is Rob Schneider anti-vax? I met him a long time ago and he is soooooo nice. Not to name drop but honestly I have met other celebs that were not so nice LOL. Also, is Trump anti-vax?

I wish someone would call me a playmate as a "diss" LOL.
post #23 of 33
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Is Rob Schneider anti-vax? I met him a long time ago and he is soooooo nice. Not to name drop but honestly I have met other celebs that were not so nice LOL. Also, is Trump anti-vax?

 

Rob Sneider is pro parental choice :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYtPD3eIUw

 

Donald Trump is concerned with the vaccine/autism link.  D.T has often come across as an ass to me, but it seems like he has seen too much / known too many families where they feel there was a link to dismiss it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBACsmis_0

post #24 of 33
Dinahx - I wouldn't read anything significant into the trends.

I'm not concerned about thimerosol in the quantities it is found in vaccines anyway. I find the evidence that its safe conclusive. So if people aren't bothered and end up with thimerosol in their flu shot as default I see no problem with that.

However if you are worried and want to avoid it you can with a bit of effort.
post #25 of 33
It's an interesting point that Jenny McCarthy gets more abuse for her views online that Jum Carey or Rob Schneider (although I did know they were both outspoken about being anti vax). What is Jenny otherwise famous for - I know with Jim and Rob. Maybe that's the difference.
post #26 of 33
She was on MTV, she was in Playboy (the most tame & famous if US Porn), she wrote books while she was pregnant (Belly Laughs). She is like a sexy comedienne.

Rob Schider was on SNL & in some SNL type movies & um, no one wants 2 see him naked. He was in a movie called Deuce Bigilio, Male Gigilo!

Jim Carey got famous on In Living Color which was edgier & more multicultural than SNL (or MTV). He has the tightest acting chops of the three. He played Ace Ventura, Pet Detective. But he has also had serious roles.
post #27 of 33
I don't even really believe Celebs exist (LOL but also, do they? Or are they media creations?) never mind take medical advice from them. I've never really looked into the specific views of any celeb on medicine. I consider the hormone Susanne Somers thing pretty unreliable & dangerous & I don't agree with 'The Secret' . . .

I do know Rob Schneider was active in CA for parental rights . . .
post #28 of 33

I think Jenny McCarthy as an addition to the view is perfectly acceptable  Jenny McCarthy is a model and media personality, a daytime talk show seems like a pretty standard career trajectory for her and for the View.  The View has had many models, comedians and media personalities take part over the years and I am cool with that.

 

I do not think she has any credibility in discussing with medical matters, however.  She is qualified and excels at modeling and making people laugh, which is her career and I applaud her or that.  She has no qualifications, expertise  or training to discus medicine, vaccination, or disease.  And I don't understand anyone who would take her viewpoint on vaccines over Paul Ofit's view on Vaccines anymore than I would understand a magazine paying Paul Offit to model evening gowns over Jenny McCarthy.

 

I also can't blame HER for parents who inexplicably consider her viewpoint on vaccines an disease over medical professionals and trained scientists. I think that those who consider her or J.B Handley (a stellar businessman and investor but NOT a doctor or a scientist) over the CDC. Dr.s and scientists would find someone else to follow I not them.  Because I don't think they are particularly convincing unless you are looking or confirmation to your decision not to vaccinate (rather than actually researching to make a decision).  I think it only appeals to those looking for confirmation over information.  I don't think that there is anyone that is pliable enough to decide that if a model says this happens, then absolutely it must be true no matter what scientists think because I LURVE Jenny.

 

As I side note, I am not particularly pleased with her views on many things,  I am interested in some of those cheering for her contributions because of her anti-vaccination views reconcile that with her belief that an intact penis looks like a "wrinkled French fry" and how she circumcised her son so he would have a "pretty penis" and that she discussed being freaked out and calling her friends to mock a man with an intact penis.

post #29 of 33
I think the thing many women appreciate about Jenny McCarthy is that she is just a mom who isn't afraid to say what she witnessed to be true: that her child was injured by a vaccine. Mothers who have children that are vaccine injured often are ridiculed, ignored, criticized and even despised as liars. They often go from doctor to doctor trying to find someone to believe them. They are accused of making malicious claims even though they are just trying to help their children and possibly warn others. Who can blame them? This is a road I would never wish to take, and I can't understand how anyone can think they these mothers have chosen such a road for their own personal gain. It seems agonizing to me.

So, here comes Jenny McCarthy, who has the balls to say not only what she believes to be true, but to say it aloud before cameras. To many mothers she is a hero. Not because she's a scientist, not because she's a doctor, but because she is a mother like they are demanding to be heard. Finally, this issue these mothers have been trying to be heard about has a mainstream voice.

I haven't seen her claim to be anything other than a mom. I do know that she has positioned herself with some doctors and other experts. But I haven't checked out her website in a long time. To me, she is just someone telling her story. Just because some don't agree with her story doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to tell it.

So, what is it about her that gets on people's nerves? And who are her most vocal critics? Seems to me that they are men, though I don't have any statistical evidence of this, just my own observation. She was an MTV host and a playboy model. I think some people believe she should have stayed that way. Keep your mouth shut and look pretty. We don't need to take advice from some bimbo. But men that have the same view? Oh well, boys will be boys. Not saying that anyone here has this viewpoint but it seems to be prevalent among the masses.

The View producers are eating this up. They don't give a good gosh darn what her views on vaxes are, they just want people to tune in. Hollywood is full of folks who don't vax. It's nothing new around there.
post #30 of 33
Interesting topic. I don't watch the view and I don't know much about Jenny McCarthy. I bought a secondhand copy of her pregnancy book when I was pg with DS a couple of years ago, unaware of her vaccination controversy, and never finished it. It was cute, but not enough to keep me going.

I don't like playboy and I don't like MTV, so she's not a pop icon who has ever been on my radar. In fact, it hasn't been until I started reading opinions about "anti vax" people online that I saw her name bandied about left and right.

As a person who has become skeptical of the US government's vaccine schedule, I find the power attributed to this woman amusing and the hatred directed at her nearly tragic. I guess pop culture figures are useful as mouthpieces who bring widespread attention to a given issue if they make hay about it, but I don't really see anyone hailing them as experts. Except, perhaps, those who oppose the celebrity's pet cause, who use the figure as a tool to deride any on the "other side" as sheep following an incompetent leader.

Jenny McCarthy, the view, whatever. She's just a person living a life. I don't know if she's anti vax, pro sel/del, or what. She's probably got other opinions on other topics, too.
post #31 of 33

It appears that there is a fake "grass routes" smear campaign orchestrated by the pharmaceutical industry to keep Jenny McCarthy off The View.

 

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2013/08/big-pharmas-faking-a-grass-roots-campaign-to-keep-jenny-mccarthy-off-the-view/

post #32 of 33

I don't think it's very nice to call Voice for Vaccines a "fake grass roots" campaign, because they accept medical advice and are supported in their message by public health officials.

 

Here's the Voices for Vaccines website: http://www.voicesforvaccines.org

 

and their mission statement: 

 

 

 

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Voices for Vaccines (VFV) is a parent-driven organization supported by scientists, doctors, and public health officials that provides parents clear, science-based information about vaccines and vaccine-preventable disease, as well as an opportunity to join the national discussion about the importance of on-time vaccination.

 

 

The objection appears to be about members of the advisory board. Here's what they say about that: 

 

 

 

 

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Voices for Vaccines relies on its Scientific Advisory Board to ensure the vaccine information on this site is accurate and up-to-date. The members of the Scientific Advisory Board are:

  • Alan R. Hinman, MD, MPH, Director for Programs, Center for Vaccine Equity at the Task Force for Global Health
  • Paul A. Offit, MD, Chief, Division of Infectious Diseases and Director, Vaccine Education Center, The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia; Professor of Pediatrics and Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology, Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania
  • Stanley A. Plotkin, MD, Emeritus Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania; Emeritus Professor at Wistar Institute; Former Chief, Division of Infectious Diseases, The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia
  • Deborah L. Wexler, MD, Founder and Executive Director, Immunization Action Coalition

Medical information on this website has been reviewed by members of the Scientific Advisory Board.

 

Call my cynical, but if I wanted to make a fake grass roots campaign to fight anti-vaccine sentiment, I don't think I'd mention by name on my website the names of people who are so often claimed to be in the pay of big pharma by anti-vaccination groups..... I think I'd be bit more subtle about it.  

 

I believe they are what they claim to be. 

post #33 of 33
I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't think they are completely grassroots, as they claim, & I don't think they are completely just paid spokeswomen, as the other side claims. I am sure, like 90% of parents, they really do vax their kids in schedule. I do *know* they could have picked less flamboyant & vax policy connected scientists/doctors for their advisory board & still maintained accuracy.

I am confused tho: their advisory board is who it is, I don't think their honesty about who is on their advisory board is some type of integrity litmus test, which they passed, I think it is the year 2G plus 13 & the Internet, if they tried to hide their advisory board, they would be found out anyway.

Yk, I believe Amanda Peet & SMGellar really believe in vaccines too. The thing is, I think it is a bankrupt strategy, because weren't they just telling us NOT to listen to actresses & grassroots groups of moms? Which is it?
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