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post #21 of 42
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In the US, anyone can be reported to CPS for anything by nearly anyone. So there is IMO no such thing as a family more or less likely to be reported. It can almost happen @ random. Especially if you have anything approaching an alternative lifestyle and/or any disgruntled person in your life, even on the outskirts.

In almost any investigation they will ask for a Primary, so even if missing a single WBV is NBD, the overall skipping of them can be, especially with an under 2.

I am going to post a separate thread over in INV on this in a few hours where we can discuss this (if you want to play) as I think it deserves its own thread.  

post #22 of 42
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...I'm sorry you worried so much about not vaccinating. I don't worry at all. I've researched the diseases, and know how to treat the diseases my kids have any chance of getting, even though for most of the diseases, those chances are extremely small.

 

I understand your point. My response was to the OP who stated that she would not feel comfortable delaying and wondered what other people experienced by delaying vaccines.

 

If I had chosen not to vaccinate and not to revisit the issue, then perhaps I would have felt as confident as you did. That was not my choice, and in retrospect I admit that the decision to delay is something that I would not choose again because it made me anxious. I didn't mean to open up a discussion over which vax side effects vs. disease ill effects are more worrisome.

post #23 of 42
Thread Starter 

:) thanks mamas for all your input.  I figured some kind of fuss would probably come up but just to be clear, I was wondering if anyone has waited until 2 (or, I guess 3) to vaccinate, and why.  And if it went well or not.  I am still undecided but thanks for all the advice so far.  Leaning on the side of waiting for more of the vaccines (the pedi talked me into mmr and dtap, I'm leaning away from the first.  I really like the tetnus vaccine as a matter of principle with rust EVERYWHERE in our lives right now).  

post #24 of 42
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Originally Posted by fayebond View Post

:) thanks mamas for all your input.  I figured some kind of fuss would probably come up but just to be clear, I was wondering if anyone has waited until 2 (or, I guess 3) to vaccinate, and why.  And if it went well or not.  I am still undecided but thanks for all the advice so far.  Leaning on the side of waiting for more of the vaccines (the pedi talked me into mmr and dtap, I'm leaning away from the first.  I really like the tetnus vaccine as a matter of principle with rust EVERYWHERE in our lives right now). 

Rust in and of itself has very little to do with tetanus. The whole rusty nails cause tetanus is misleading and somewhat of an urban myth. Rusty nails are more likely to be found in soil and Clostridium tetani is commonly found in soil, feces or saliva.

post #25 of 42
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Originally Posted by fayebond View Post

:) thanks mamas for all your input.  I figured some kind of fuss would probably come up but just to be clear, I was wondering if anyone has waited until 2 (or, I guess 3) to vaccinate, and why.  And if it went well or not.  I am still undecided but thanks for all the advice so far.  Leaning on the side of waiting for more of the vaccines (the pedi talked me into mmr and dtap, I'm leaning away from the first.  I really like the tetnus vaccine as a matter of principle with rust EVERYWHERE in our lives right now). 

Rust in and of itself has very little to do with tetanus. The whole rusty nails cause tetanus is misleading and somewhat of an urban myth. Rusty nails are more likely to be found in soil and Clostridium tetani is commonly found in soil, feces or saliva.

post #26 of 42

My 25 month old son has not had any vaccines. Except a vitamin K shot when he was born. He has never been seriously sick. A couple colds and tummy bugs is it. Some of his good heath I attribute to my still breastfeeding him. I hope this helps you!

post #27 of 42
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Rust in and of itself has very little to do with tetanus. The whole rusty nails cause tetanus is misleading and somewhat of an urban myth. Rusty nails are more likely to be found in soil and Clostridium tetani is commonly found in soil, feces or saliva.

so, if rust is not really the problem, then where does tetanus come from?  I am confused even though I did read it twice :)

post #28 of 42

Tetanus is found in fecal matters.

 

Rusty nails have a bad rap for 3 reasons:

 

1.  they are often found outdoor where fecal matter is more likely to be

 

2.  rust can make a surface groovy.  As such it is easier for spores and dirt to cling to it

 

3.  nails often result in a puncture wound.  People worry about puncture wounds as bacteria can be introduced deep into the body.

 

So - it is not the rust itself that is the issue  If rust grows on something and there is no tetanus bacteria/spores present - you will not get tetanus.

 

Tetanus is extremely rare, period. There are only an average of 30 cases per year in the USA.  It is more common in the elderly, drug users and intra venous drug users.  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/tetanus.pdf

post #29 of 42
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so, if rust is not really the problem, then where does tetanus come from?  I am confused even though I did read it twice :)

 

Just about everything you need to know about tetanus is here:

 

http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/resources/tetanus

post #30 of 42
It's rare, but there no treatment for it if you get it.
post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post

It's rare, but there no treatment for it if you get it.

Also no treatment for vax reactions, which are also often touted as rare. It's just a matter of which risk you want to take. You can 100% avoid vax reactions by declining them or greatly reduce the risk by delaying them.
post #32 of 42
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Also no treatment for vax reactions, which are also often touted as rare. It's just a matter of which risk you want to take. You can 100% avoid vax reactions by declining them or greatly reduce the risk by delaying them.


Most side effects of vaccines are either mild or moderate. Fever, runny nose, pain in area of injection. Even the moderate ones are treatable. Perhaps you meant rare side effects?

post #33 of 42
Please, enlighten us as to the treatment protocols for Moderate Vaccine Reactions. Seems like 'hope it passes, act baffled & use the word coincidence liberally' is the main protocol.

There are more mild vaccine reactions than severe ones, but all reactions are under reported because of passive data collection. Fever, redness, localized pain, are all *incredibly common* to the point of being considered 'normal'. So severe adverse events are *comparatively rare* Nevertheless, last time I checked, having a 'rare illness' wasn't a guarantee of a better time than a common one.

I believe PPs point is that tetanus occurs rarely, not dramatically more often than DTaP severe reactions.
post #34 of 42
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Most side effects of vaccines are either mild or moderate. Fever, runny nose, pain in area of injection. Even the moderate ones are treatable. Perhaps you meant rare side effects?

Do tell how you treat vaccine reactions. What medications are given for moderate ones? 

post #35 of 42

OKay, I haven't read thru all the comments so I don't know if this has been addressed.......but if your child is in a daycare setting, then I'd encourage the vaccines (and I'm not a big supporter of them).....if your kids are at home with you, then a delayed schedule or no shots shouldn't be too big of a concern.  With one of our kids, we had stopped at 6 months and restarted at age 3 ---when I went into the pediatrician with my 'list of shots' that my kid needed to catch up on ....I swear there were about 25...BUT the doctor said my child only needed one bc by age 3 he had built up a natural immunity to most of the other diseases......(we did not do chicken pox or mmr)..........One shot  later and one reaction later we stopped all shots.....You also need to be looking at YOUR child.......their weight, where they are on the percentile for height and weight and growth........their history of sickness or illness............It's a very hard personal choice that you deal with..............

post #36 of 42
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Do tell how you treat vaccine reactions. What medications are given for moderate ones? 

yes, i'd like to know too...last time i got a flu shot, 29yrs ago, i had horrid swelling that lasted a week, not to mention feeling ill the entire time too....their answer?  take tylenol

post #37 of 42

Thuja (homeopathic remedy) is a great topical applied to the area of the shot...........it can also be taken in tablet form before and after a shot......(there are also other homeopathic remedies that are specific for punctures and the specific vaccine as well).  You would want to consult with a homeopath or chiropractor that works with homeopathic remedies.
 

post #38 of 42
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Most side effects of vaccines are either mild or moderate. Fever, runny nose, pain in area of injection. Even the moderate ones are treatable. Perhaps you meant rare side effects?

Here is my take on the rarity of rare reactions:

 

This quote sums it up nicely:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

- Joseph Goebbels


Edited by Marnica - 8/14/13 at 6:34am
post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by bakunin View Post


Most side effects of vaccines are either mild or moderate. Fever, runny nose, pain in area of injection. Even the moderate ones are treatable. Perhaps you meant rare side effects?

I was comparing rare side effects and rare diseases/rare complications from common diseases. Basically, the choice between the two "sides" is a matter of what risk you want to take. For myself, preventing my children from a severe side effect from a vaccine is something I can control, so that is the choice I made. I also tend to believe that severe side effects are not as rare as we are led to believe, but that's beside the point. When I consider vaccinating parents vs. non-vaccinating parents, I simply think that each decided to take a different risk. It's not up to me to make that decision for them, and certainly not up to me to criticize or belittle them for it.

What do you consider a "moderate" side effect and how are they treated according to what you have observed?
post #40 of 42
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okay, before we go all out on vaccine reactions being untreatable, tetnus is treatable, in fact the cure has been around for over a hundred years if I recall correctly.  I will go find a link to this and post it, but my great randfather would have died if it wasn't cureable.  He got a shot and stayed in bed for ages, but its cureable.  

 

Ok, so its not a cure, its a keep-you-alive-and-heal-you fix.  There's a loooong hospital stay, but its fix-able, even if there isn't a cure per say.  http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tetanus/DS00227/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs

 

It seems tetnus is basically spores getting into a deep open wound.  Which in this day and age is semi-likely but not really a given certainty.  I still am leaning toward getting this vaccine because its a pretty serious disease if you do get the wound andthen get tetnus, but its a whole lot less scary sounding when you say "dirty puncture wound" than when you say "contact with rust".  The risk/rewards equation is lower certainly :)/

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