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August 2013 Chit Chat - Page 52post #1021 of 15028/24/13 at 6:43ampost #1022 of 15028/24/13 at 6:50ampost #1023 of 15028/24/13 at 6:54ampost #1024 of 15028/24/13 at 7:34amWell, I guess I won't mention that I just woke up to all the sleep deprived.... Sorry!
I missed some stuff. I'll check the space station notification thingy. Dd1 will like that. And speaking of her, she made the first cut for academic team! Woo! So typically, like I said, few girls make the team and equally few 6th and even 7th graders make it. Mostly 8th grade boys. So I think it's awesome that she even made it to the second round!
Jaimee, grumpy husbands suck.
Joanie, yeah my dh likes to do and watch "open box" videos, whatever that is. He is very into his monitor setup. I don't get it.
Mal, yay about the house!post #1025 of 15028/24/13 at 7:37ampost #1026 of 15028/24/13 at 8:04amAmanda that's so great! I hope my ODD doesn't stifle her mind just because she is a girl. You should both be proud!
Sara- I feel ya on the bugs. Last week my son got two spider bites and B got two also- one on her forehead that is still pretty large, and one on her neck. I had Terminex out that day spraying inside and out. We have a zero tolerance spider policy.
We woke up at 7, but have been sleeping until 830-9. My DS has football until 8 so we don't get to bed until later and B has been sleeping in. School starts soon so there goes that.post #1027 of 15028/24/13 at 8:43amOk, I need to clarify... I'm not coming across well! I don't think girls stifle their minds. But as kids get older, you see less and less girls in STEM related courses and activities, including anything like academic bowl. In elementary, girls are in everything. By high school, tech related teams, engineering courses, academic teams, etc are dominated by boys. I don't know all the reasons. I'm sure there are tons of studies on it. But since dd1 is very into all that stuff, I don't want her to fall into the checking out trap.
Personally, I think it is peer pressure. I think there is more pressure for girls to conform and not be seen as nerdy. I also think that society values quite and well-behaved girls and has different standards for boys. And there are a million other factors as well.post #1028 of 15028/24/13 at 9:07ampost #1029 of 15028/24/13 at 9:08amThread Starter
Yay Amanda! That's awesome!! I agree that girls are given a message that math, science, being smart, etc. is not cool. I did not get that message and I'm thankful. I think that parental encouragement/support and the peer groups our girls are in are two really big factors. I had a lovely group of equally smart and involved friends, so my interests were not strange. Interestingly, many of these super smart friends of mine were also on the cross country team and in the band or orchestra. So let's get all of our daughters to start long distance running and playing instruments!
Sara, those bites suck! I hate mosquitoes! Fortunately we haven't had that many this year. I have scars on my legs from last year's bites still.
Mal, well, that would explain it!
Wow, we're chatty for a Saturday! I'm currently making tomato sauce that I will can in a separate session in an attempt to not be so overwhelmed.post #1030 of 15028/24/13 at 9:17amI quit doing band and after school clubs once high school started because sports and work took up all of my time. Literally. I had to choose and I chose sports.
Conner's latest obsession is cars. I was seriously grumpy today so I went to the Dollar Store and bought him some hot wheels. It made my day seeing him so excited. He hasn't put them down since I got home. =)=)=)
But now I'm off to work...post #1031 of 15028/24/13 at 9:17amQuote:Originally Posted by TalkToMeNow
Ok, I need to clarify... I'm not coming across well! I don't think girls stifle their minds. But as kids get older, you see less and less girls in STEM related courses and activities, including anything like academic bowl. In elementary, girls are in everything. By high school, tech related teams, engineering courses, academic teams, etc are dominated by boys. I don't know all the reasons. I'm sure there are tons of studies on it. But since dd1 is very into all that stuff, I don't want her to fall into the checking out trap.
Personally, I think it is peer pressure. I think there is more pressure for girls to conform and not be seen as nerdy. I also think that society values quite and well-behaved girls and has different standards for boys. And there are a million other factors as well.
I took a class called Women in Technology in college. It was all about the imbalance of male/female in scientific and engineering trades. The theory is that it starts in infancy when we give boys trucks and blocks and Legos to build and create, and we give girls dolls and clothes to play dress up. There was also a lot about how sciences in schools are geared towards learning for boys. Our final assignment was to come up with 3 ways the worlds biases create an environment where girls become SAHM and nurses and general caretakers, then to come up with ways we could change that, starting in infancy. And I can't remember jack about what I came up with. But it was a great course, and it definitely made me think about the way I would parent my future children.post #1032 of 15028/24/13 at 9:18ampost #1033 of 15028/24/13 at 9:26amAsh, lol, we're both nurses and general caretakers. I don't know about you, but my choice to study nursing was a matter of practicality. It was a quick career to get into with high demand. I need to go back to school for my RN someday, but I would really prefer engineering. All day at work I dream about the devices that could make the lives of communication impaired individuals so much better. There is some crazy exciting stuff going on with technology right now.
My kids all had the same toys but they make different choices along stereotypical gender lines. I've read that there are differences in such subtle things as how we carry babies. Boys are faced out more, girls in. We encourage exploration more in boys. They're allowed more independence.post #1034 of 15028/24/13 at 9:36amI like excitement and blood and trauma. I'm not into the care taking aspect, I'm into the assisting doctors sewing fingers back on and stopping hemorrhages and sticking my fingers in people's thoracic cavity aspect. Lol. I could never have a peds job, or any kind of daily care job. But yes, I guess I still fit into the stereotype- I don't remember ever wanting to be anything more than a nurse and a mom.
I also provided my daughter non-specific toys and experiences and she loves dolls and pink and babies and taking care of people. The class I took hypothesized it was all nurture over nature, but I just don't agree completely.post #1035 of 15028/24/13 at 9:43amI blame men. Problem solved.
So many issues. Women's work equals low pay or no pay. Partners don't do their fair share. Child care is left to moms by default. Even in a home where the woman is the primary worker/earner , she is still responsible for the emotional upkeep of the family.
Yeah, I'm feeling grumpy. Ha.post #1036 of 15028/24/13 at 9:45ampost #1037 of 15028/24/13 at 9:59am
I must've just grown up in a different "society" here in SE Wisconsin because we're pretty equal on the boy/girl front here. At least, that was my experience, but statistics may say differently. I'm sure it also helped that I had a mom who "did it all" and was all pro-women, had her PhD and did a lot of "firsts" as a woman in her field. My sisters and I never grew up thinking there were differences in the minds of boys versus girls. The girls I grew up with were actually more advanced than most of the boys... We filled the majority of advanced classes, and we took pride in being smart. We weren't looked down upon for it thankfully. And being in the band was actually looked up to where I lived. Most of the popular kids were in it! I tried color guard one summer just to be a part of it all. Haha.
Being an adult in the working world is an entirely different story. NOW is when I see all of the inequalities between men and women. I'd still rather work under a man than a woman any day, though. I probably perpetuate the differences by that statement, but I've worked with enough women in the workplace to understand why they're not looked at as "professionally" as the men. I can't work with emotional women period. I'm emotional in my private life but I'm all work in the workplace. I'm so happy to be in a super professional setting now where petty BS is never ever seen or tolerated.post #1038 of 15028/24/13 at 10:08amQuote:
Now just to play the devil's advocate, there are also books saying how we're failing boys because of just this. Girls currently outpace boys at college entry, it's just the sciences where we're lacking. Some of the things they talk about with boys is how hard it is for boys who are less likely to be able to sit still.post #1039 of 15028/24/13 at 10:30ampost #1040 of 15028/24/13 at 10:35am
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