My ex stopped paying child support six months ago, and stopped visits with the kids about 4 months ago. It seems the only way to go is to report him, but this would mean he would have a criminal record. This seems extreme, but he's not budging. Is this the way to go? Or would you never ever do that to the father of your children?
Is it worth ex getting a record to make him pay child support?
The child support is for your children. I would do it in a heart beat, and I did when I was in your spot. I know it's difficult but this is money your children need, and even if you make ten grand a month, it is still their fathers legal, moral, ethical obligation to pay child support.
Child support and family time (in most states) are not tied together. I know this is a really tough decision. Good luck~!
I wouldn't even look at it as something that YOU are doing to him, but something that HE HIMSELF is choosing by way of his actions (or inaction, really) He chose to stop paying the child support that he is legally obligated to pay. That was his choice, and the consequences (criminal record, for example) are totally his responsibly.
This! You are not at all responsible for what happens as a result of his decisions.
The thing that I would consider before taking him to court for child support are:
1. How positive an influence is he/could he be in the kids' lives? If you would like him to see them more and are prepared for him to open the custody battle can of worms, then I would file straight away.
2. How likely is it that he will respond with anger/difficult behaviours? And are you prepared to deal with them?
3.. How much money is it (and don't feel you need to answer this)? If it's just a few hundred per month I would totally blow it off and find another way to make up the shortfall....just so I would know that any attempts x makes to see the kids are genuine, and not motivated by money. But if it's enough to make a big difference in your living standard for things that in the big picture are more important (e.g. could be the difference between living in a bad neighbourhood vs. one that's more family oriented, etc.) then I would file. I would still plan to live and budget as though he is not paying though. Then just put that extra money away for education savings (for you or the kids).
4. Would there be any advantage for you for him to surrender his parental rights? e.g. make it easier for you to move to a place where you have better supports, eg. family, friends, etc.
Is he actually aware that he could face a criminal record for non payment? If so, he must really think he can control you if he is being so difficult....and I would wonder about sociopathic traits too (feeling above the law)...
First of all this is why you went to court. They themselves have rules and legal ramifications knowing things like this will happen.
A lot of woman don't want to fight (believe me I don't).
My divorce isn't final and he hasn't paid me a Penney (not going through general attorney) but I know my lawyer wants to have one final court date for all if his violations and to be divorced (fingers crossed). But I know what's coming to him and its not at all my intention. I look at it this way, people make decisions that have postie and negative consequences. You can't control what he does and doesn't do. This is why you seemed legal advise and filed through the courts. Don't feel this way. It's between him and the courts.
Follow the order just as you would want him too. Be the responsible one, you will be showing your kids later on that you want what's fair and that you follow rules. Your also showing them to be responsible for your own actions..
I agree with everyone's opinion on this. You are not doing anything to him. He is responsible to your children as he is their father. It is unfortunate that he has not visited with them for 4 months, but, that does not excuse his responsibilities. In my opinion you must do this for your children. If you have a court order for child support - contact your local child support enforcement unit. I would file with their office and they should keep track and follow up - even garnish his wages if they have to.
can you somehow give him a deadline? "If you don't begin paying child support by the 1st of September I will file charges against you on the 2nd of September and you will have a criminal record for the next 5 years." And have all documentation in place to do so - possibly even showing him the filled out forms that you will file. And no further discussion. Except to say that you are willing to accept 300 or whatever euro more per month in order for him to catch up for the last 6 months. Do not let him get away with this.
Or you just go ahead and file. If he's getting away with it he will continue to do so and you and the kids suffer. That is not correct but when someone is behaving incorrectly and they are treated the same as before they will continue to misbehave. You aren't giving him any incentive to pay. His incentive could just be not wanting that record? ?? maybe? Just some ideas. (that all lead you to filing FOR SURE if non-payment continues).
So I sent him a lawyer's letter last week asking him to: start visitation with the kids again (which he DID over the weekend), and to pay half of the over-standing amount by the 10th (which happened to be a Saturday). Next Monday, if no payment is made, I will go back to the lawyer to proceed with a 'forced' payment of the ENTIRE sum (I didn't give warning of this in the letter). Unfortunately it can't be garnished from his wages because he is self-employed, and therefore no pay cheque to garnish from.
The 'forced' payment process takes 11 days.
If I fail to get any money from a forced payment (i.e. no money in his account), I will officially report him.
Unfortunately by reporting him I apparantly won't solve the money issues, he'll just be punished by law.
AND in the eyes of the law I am apparently almost in the wrong by now because I have let too many months go by and it appears I am not in dire need of the child support .
Anon - sent you a pm on the subject of Italian men and their mothers. It's short but I'm busy and have more to say. I don't want to post in the non private forum. try to get into the lounge.
He's shirking his responsibility to support his kids. Report him. He will either pay up or face the consequences of his actions. It's called being an adult.
FYI, you would not be doing it to him. That implies that he has not choice in the matter. When the choice not to pay is all on him. In other words, he's doing it to himself.
Well, I ended up suing ex for what are now 8 months of no child support, BUT irony of the situation, I filed in early August and he still hasn't received the papers, that's how slow the system is... PLUS, in doing so my lawyer's realised that a mistake had been made at the time of the separation hearing, and the CS is much lower than what was agreed, it was kept at the 'unofficial' amount that we had established over the months prior to the legal separation.
Anyhow, what's done is done.
I am now waiting for him the receive the papers (it is just a civil proceeding, NOT penal), and then go into a rage.
In the meantime I really need some advice. Cut a long story short, he and his girlfriend told our two daughters that she was pregnant in the first week of April. My kids cried at the news, and XH and GF were so offended they refused to see the children for 9 weeks. Well, actually after nine weeks XH started seeing them again, for a couple of hours every week, they only saw GF first the first time last week, for lunch, and she is now 8 months along with the pregnancy. The girls only found out last week that the baby is due in 1 month and is a boy.
I am now getting excited about my girls having a brother, I have a soft spot for babies! BUT I don't know how to even begin having a relationship with XH and GF after all of their horrific behaviour. I don't want in any way to condone what they have done, to be kind to people who have been hurtful to my kids, to an XH who conveniently stopped paying any CS the very month he found out his GF was expecting.... but I would like to have a relationship with my daughters' brother....
What do I do? How do I approach these people with being a doormat AGAIN? I mean, I don't receive CS, they were terrible to my kids for a period of 6-7 months, they blame me for everything that is wrong in their lives (bad job situation, not-ideal housing situation, general unhappiness....) EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T EVEN SPEAK OR HAVE ANY FORM OF CONTACT, SERIOUSLY.
But somehow I need to have a rapport with them...please tell me how, and in what terms.
Or is it simply a matter of giving up on the idea of having my daughters' brother in 'our' lives (like when he's older have him over to our house, and not just limit their time together to their dad's house)?
Edited by anon_abroad - 10/20/13 at 2:07am
Honestly, if they are that toxic, I wouldn't bother. It will probably just end up hurting you or the kids at some point. It's not your responsibility to initiate the relationship, but if they appear willing to be CONSISTENT with kindness and if they want the relationship, then you might go along with it and foster a relationship that way (following whatever court orders you have). A father who acts like a child and rejects his child over crying and rejects them for weeks afterwards is emotionally abusive, and that's a trait that won't change over time, imho.
I'd keep fighting for the kid's father to step-up and be in their lives but this baby is THEIR brother, and not connected to you in any way. It's great for them if their parents can have a peaceful relationship in general, not only so you can get in on some extra baby cuddles, though I totally get that desire ;-)
I agree with the prior posters. What your ex did to your girls was disgusting. Both stopping the child support just because he's having another baby and then cutting contact as a childish "punishment" for not giving the right response to that news. It's completely unacceptable to withhold contact or emotional support from a child as punishment for anything, especially something that's it's completely understandable they'd be upset by.
His actions are a huge red flag that he's going to neglect your daughters once their child arrives. And that was before you started legally going after him for child support. You need to stop focusing on this child that isn't related to you and focus on steeling yourself to get your daughters through what promises to be a very difficult time. Based on his GF's actions towards your daughters, I find it incredibly hard to believe that she'd be okay with you in her son's life to the degree you seem to want to be, especially when the child is a baby. Trying to force your way in may only make her more resentful of you and make the situation even worse for your daughters. Bending over backwards to appease people who hurt your daughters just to see their half-brother will be sending the wrong message.
If your ex gets his act together and starts being a good father- your daughters will develop a relationship with their brother. They'll likely develop a relationship with him either way, unless he cuts out visitation again or his GF refuses to let your daughters see the baby. It's very possible that their brother will want to see them while they're at your house, and you'll be able to have him over for visits then. It would not be surprising if you'll develop a relationship with their half-brother. But that shouldn't be a priority for you right now, it's something you should let happen.
Good advice mamas! I'll see if he stays consistent with the girls, that's all that matters. So far the girls enjoy their time with their dad again, they all stay at the grandparent's so that they don't see the GF (which is the part I don't get, but anyway, I doesn't matter and it has nothing to do with me). I have a feeling this may continue until the baby is born...and then?
So I'll just continue pursuing time for the kids with their dad, try and get some CS, and over the months and coming years see if he becomes more reliable.
XH sometimes mentions to the kids that they are thinking about moving to GF's country of origin, but who knows. It may very well happen after the baby is born. It's tough guessing what's going on with them. So yes, all I can do is look out for my girls and see how things develop over the next months.