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Originally Posted by kerc View Post

Yes! YES! YES!

Also I forget ds's exact age, but FWIW: I've long feared my child will grow up to be a monster who only looks out for #1. Sometime this spring (10.5) where she can now think outside her own body. AMAZING.  Perhaps, someday, my child will not be a monster.


He's 8 1/2. It would be for 2 years. he just started third, so has 4th and 5th before moving on to middle school, so DD1 would move to middle school, Ds would potentially move to full-day-gifted school (for 2 years), and dd1 would stay = 3 drop offs/pick-ups :bigeyes.gif Not unwilling

There are various potentially interesting outcomes; not that he will feel like he isnt a freak, but that he might have his superiority complex challenged. On the other hand. would I reinforce this by separating him from the "general population"where he does have to practice patience, sympathy, collaboration with different-minded peers, etc....
post #242 of 317
Sparkle, ditto everything Kerc & Geo said. A full-time gifted program that a very bright child qualifies for and will find challenging is something to thoroughly consider. My ds2 also tests for math 2 years ahead of him and based on conversations with other kids his age and a year older, he has already decided he'd just be in trouble in school all the time b/c he'd be so bored. Also there is definitely truth to growing through that me-me-me-me phase to others-matter-too. At least that's what I saw it in ds1. Talking is key. And a good therapist on ds's side should get that & know that and your ds should automatically know this person is on his side. Okay that's all I know. Hormones out of whack, too? hug.gif

Kerc, I so long for a really good camping trip in cooler weather.

RR: Awesome swim again!!! Woot-woot banana.gif Bad news: car problems. Good news, had to drive to a different town with a swim team. How did I not know about these fabulous pools reserved for swim teams and master swimmers? This feels life-saving for me! Sure they're an hour away but, once a week combined with music lessons on campus, I can swing it. The other town is where we go for major shopping, so I plan to get there in time for lap swims and then head out on those errands. I swam for an hour 2 days ago and had a terrible sore shoulder during the night. Today I swam for an hour again and already have really sore thighs. This is good news! orngbiggrin.gif No word from RP yet. Sigh. I fear it may be a while till she gets settled into her classroom.

NRR: Progress made on the classroom renovation. Now we have a real indoor shower next to the laundry rooms. Soon... But the money is being burned faster than we can make it, I fear...

JG, what did you read?
post #243 of 317
School isn't the only environment in which to learn that.

Besides, something you will likely find is a lot of quirks in that kind of environment. Many of these kids (like, say, my own) have amazing strengths and terrifying weaknesses. The "whole package" is less common than you'd think.

Go watch. Ask the principal how they foster compassion and skills in working with a diverse population.

Waiting for Lisa to weigh in...

Feeling better after my talk with the advocate. I managed to transfer much of the anger to her, so that now I think I can do this calmly.
post #244 of 317
If things ever get rough again, I will definitely investigate the advocate option. I am sure we could have used that in the kindergarten year with DD2!

Katie's situation (once I started actually reaching people) resolved relatively quickly, and she is happily typing away in computer class. But oh, the hormones are beginning! She had a complete and total, utter meltdown yesterday at the news that where she had labeled West Virginia was actually Virginia.

Discussion about tacos made me want them, so here is a picture of my taco meat after cooking and shredding.
post #245 of 317
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I've been reading along without much time to reply, so I'm way behind, but sending much love.gif and goodvibes.gif and grouphug.gif to geo and sparkle and nic and all who need it right now.

I'm just getting caught up after my three in a row mon/tues/wed, followed by the back to school picnic last night and long run/doctor's appt/pool/happy hour/date today. Phew!

rr~A pretty good long run this am. Well, actually, 10.5 awesome miles, followed by a mile and a half of suck. TMI...I had to poop. And there was nowhere to go. And it was so uncomfortable that it actually hurt to run. Ugh. The 10.5 awesome miles were pretty awesome, though! Which in and of itself is amazing, because I can't remember the last time EVER that I had two good long runs back to back. Here's hoping that trend continues

dr~Ok, so this whole dating thing is just endless entertainment for just about everybody! It cracks me up how fascinated people are by it, and how much fun so many people are deriving from it. I mean, really, there was a HUGE discussion at the nurse's station at work the other night almost entirely revolving around when I should...ahem...cross-train. And another one at my doctor's appointment this morning (I seriously love.gif my doctor) and ANOTHER one at happy hour today. lol.gif So, anyway...we went out to dinner and then walked around a bit, went to another place for a drink, and talked a lot. And ok, maybe made out for a little bit in my car. bag.gif We had a really nice time, and we will do it again, probably next week.
post #246 of 317

Please see yahoo group.

post #247 of 317
Originally Posted by tjsmama View Post

And ok, maybe made out for a little bit in my car. bag.gif We had a really nice time, and we will do it again, probably next week.

OMG you made my day. Your story brings me back to being about 20. ANd I'm glad you had fun.





I'm so.unmotivated today. So unmotivated.

Our new nanny is coming tonight to watch/meet the girls. I feel like I should clean up. But then again. Why not present it like it really is. Usually sanitary/clean, but still cluttered.

post #248 of 317

bec, that looks delicious. I do something similar in the crockpot.


Gaye, so fun. Thanks for keeping us all entertained with the DR reports. As my husband kindly pointed out yesterday, we've been together almost 20 years. It's nice to live vicariously through you :)


kerc, I hope you find your energy somewhere!


We went to the fall fair/exhibition today. I let both girls visit the midway rides post-french fries. The tilt-a-whirl has my youngest's downfall, and she has asked to only eat healthy foods until her tummy feels better. We made smoothies for lunch :)

post #249 of 317
Chaffing- dry it or keep it moist?? Help! In serious pain. Both sides like this.
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Ooooh, ow, RM. I would probably put some of that neosporin with pain relief on that. Might dull the burning some. If not that, slap some coconut oil on it and cover it up so it doesn't have to rub against anything ever, ever again.


RR: Day 3 of a miserable cold. I have not had a cold in so long, not used to feeling so crummy.

post #251 of 317
RM - ouch! I second the Neosporin suggestion.

Gaye - loving your DRs and living vicariously through you as well smile.gif.

kerc - tilt-a-whirl + french fries = I can understand her need for smoothies. Blargh.

jooj - feel better soon hug.gif

NRR - we went to a lake about an hour north of here today. DH has a friend who lives on the lake, so we visited him first (holy cats, he has the most spectacular waterfront home I've ever seen!) and then headed to the beach for an afternoon of swimming. The beach has a concrete dock out in the deep water with diving boards, so the kids were in heaven! Then back to our town for barbecue and a beer at our favorite local restaurant. A great day for the family orngbiggrin.gif.
post #252 of 317
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rm~I would probably let it air dry...I feel like it just feels better once it's dried up and scabbed over. But that's just me. What on earth did that to you??

jo~goodvibes.gif for feeling better!!

DS and I went for a hike with a friend this morning. It could have very easily been a disaster, but it actually went really well. There was a minimum of whining, and I didn't hear "when are we going to be done?" until we were about 1/2 mile from the parking lot. 5.5 miles, albeit pretty slow, but like I said...minimal whining. Win! joy.gif
post #253 of 317
Wow, it's been busy here!

First, the GT stuff: R's now in her third year of a FT GT program. We all love it. It's a great opportunity, both academically and socially, and if it's a good GT program, emotionally for kids who struggle with perfectionism or anxiety about starting something new or a whole host of other issues.

Like Geo said, having a tribe is huge. It normalizes a lot of things, because yes, there are several children with crazy high reading levels and/or math skills and/or science obsessions and/or writing and creativity skills, and/or music/art/etc. One of the kids in R's class is an early-entry student (started kindy at 4), and also a gymnastics star who had a special scheduled that allowed her to come to do gymnastics practice twice a week and then come to school about an hour late in the morning. So there are kids with really strong talents and kids who struggle in some areas and that's all normal in there. Differentiation is assumed, especially because the asynchronous development stuff means that kids are light years ahead in different areas, and that some of the kids in the class may be on grade level for their age, but need a little help to keep up with the fact that they are working a year or more ahead academically.

They aren't completely isolated. When it comes time for gym/music/art, the three classes split into different configurations so people aren't restricted to only knowing the kids in their class that year. That configuration changes again after winter break. They see each other at recess and lunch. When it comes time for the science and social studies units, the teachers often will try to each specialize in a subject and the kids rotate around, much as they do in specials. One might take rocks, another dirt, and another minerals, for a science unit, for example.

I think our school generally tries to avoid pointing out that one class is the GT class, even though probably everyone knows it's the case. (ETA: actually, we never told R why she was being tested or that she was going to be in a GT class. She was in second grade before she came home and was asking me about GT because they'd been talking about it in class. I didn't think it was worth mentioning until it came up, especially because her best friend is in a mainstream class and I didn't want to change that relationship. They are still best friends now and really well suited to each other socially.) Our school and the district as a whole is very anti-bullying. Also, I don't think we have many, if any, teachers who are sort of anti-advanced students. If anything else, it helps that kids with an ALP can simply head over to the GT class for reading or math or something, and the teacher can focus on the mainstream and struggling kids, which, honestly, makes a lot more sense (or alternately, for the struggling kids to have a class of their own while the mainstream and advanced kids share; either way reduces the spectrum spread). Last year, one of R's friends was going to the 3rd or 4th grade GT classroom for her math, and she eventually ended up moving up a grade. (She is crazy bright; she also missed the cutoff by 10 days and really should have been able to start kindy in 2009 rather than 2010. The district's early entry policy was new and no one told them about it, so they have struggled some to get her appropriate services.)

That's not true in all schools. Our district only has like 6 or 8 GT centers and our school happens to be one of them, with a configuration of 1 GT classroom and 2 mainstream classrooms per grade. Kids not in the GT classrooms have an ALP and should receive the necessary services in their school, but the reality definitely varies. Some schools are really good about it and other schools aren't, probably due a mix of personnel and personalities.

Another neighboring district has a "challenge school" that's not strictly GT. From what I remember, kids have to take a bunch of tests and do an interview and all before kindergarten to get in. They may admit more after they all take the second-grade tests. At any rate, it's a stand-alone GT school. A friend's three children all attend and I think they were having struggles with the superiority stuff, but then again, Cherry Creek is kind of a privileged area (expensive houses and low poverty), so I think that has more to do with peer group than school setting.

If there are any downsides, it's that it can occasionally be awkward at PTA or something if parents are introducing themselves as parents of a GT kid. This got kind of ugly when we were forming a search committee for the new principal and some brand-new GT parents were sitting at our table, probably thinking they were the only GT parents in the world, and whispering about how one of the parents on that committee "better be" at GT parent. I couldn't resist rolling my eyes and then pointing out that about 85% of the room was full of GT parents. Morons. Anyhow, the other parents were defining themselves as "just regular parents" which was kind of awful--no one should feel like they're "just" anything. The issue was handled very well by our previous principal who left at the end of R's kindergarten year, but we've had two temporary principals and the first one was truly useless, so I think our sense of community suffered some. We have a brand new one who is extremely aware that some people feel like there are hostilities between GT and mainstream, and I think he'll be able to smooth ruffled feathers.

A full-time GT classroom should be a much better fit than a once-a-week pull-out or promises of differentiation, etc. It will be teaching on a higher level, even if it has to pull some of the asynchronous students along in a few subjects, and GT teachers know exactly what they're in for. Ideally, a GT teacher will have the GT certification; ours all do. A teacher in a mainstream classroom has a lot more to balance, and while yes, the super teachers do it all and then some, I suspect the super teachers either don't have kids at home, don't sleep, or the class size is small. (R's class has 24 students; my niece K's first-grade class has 27. K's class is a mainstream one and she desperately needs an ALP, but my sister hasn't gotten her tested and is kind of resisting. I don't think they'll move to our school into the GT center because she really likes being able to walk across the street--and I understand that--but I also think K's academic needs will get overlooked as the teacher deals with the IEPs and some rambunctious boys in the classroom. The teacher, after all, needs an evaluation that shows she was able to pull the struggling students up because her salary and job security depend on doing so thanks to idiotic and unfunded legislation passed three years ago.)

Also? I was the kid who had the once-a-week pullout. It was the only thing that kept me going but it wasn't at all sufficient. My elementary school didn't even do reading groups after first grade. I was bored all the time. I had a lot of impulse control so I didn't act up, but it wasn't until we moved to a different district before my sophomore year of high school where I was challenged. Then I was able to move into honors classes, discover that yes, I had academic peers, and no longer be the odd one out. It was also great preparation for college, because I hadn't spent my entire K-12 education being the bright kid who never had to work hard. I knew that among my honors/AP peers, I was pretty average. My husband had been told he was the wunderkind forever and had a rude awakening when he started the honors college at our institution and discovered that hey wow, the entire college was full of wunderkinds.

One last thing: we got a brochure for the Western Academic Talent Search in R's Friday folder and while I don't think we'll pursue it at this time, it immediately made me think of Dingoes who may or may not know about it. sparkle--we're in the same region, which is the Center for Bright Kids Regional Talent Center. I think kerc and geo are both part of the Center for Talent Development. The offer another round of tests but the scores on those tests can offer students the opportunity to attend some really cool summer programs and more data to give to schools to force them to give students appropriate academic challenges. We received it because we're in the GT program and our GT program is interested in the test data (we'd have to pay for the test), but there are other ways to sign up for the necessary tests and then get into the summer programs. They mentioned the tribe stuff as well as the challenges, and I think they would be a great fit for a number of our Dinglets. (We're not going to pursue it, because, among other things, we feel like her academic needs are being quite adequately met and because there's no way we're sending her off to a week of sleep-away camp at age 9. Happily, she has a tribe already and for that we are extremely grateful.)
Originally Posted by kerc View Post

State fair. Whoa. One kid about an hour into it said, "My ears are tired."
That is 100% the reason I avoid (pop) concerts and so many other loud things. My kids too, though I don't think they've ever said that. Then again, they don't need to, with me around!
Originally Posted by sparkletruck View Post

There are various potentially interesting outcomes; not that he will feel like he isnt a freak, but that he might have his superiority complex challenged. On the other hand. would I reinforce this by separating him from the "general population"where he does have to practice patience, sympathy, collaboration with different-minded peers, etc....
But he will have to practice patience, sympathy, collaboration and deal with different-minded peers, even in GT. The difference will be that he'll get to work on those skills in a setting where the range isn't as big. At least most of the time. Our school's 4th grade GT class includes the boy who had half his brain removed last year due to epilepsy that couldn't be controlled. He's in school, doing a partial day right now. He can walk though he's in a wheelchair because you know, he's busy training the remaining half of his brain to work the half of his body that lost it. He can talk, though there are struggles due to retraining half his mouth and face, and also because the side of his brain that was removed was his language center. He started talking shortly after surgery, so apparently his brain had adapted some due to all the seizure activity anyhow? In short though, his cognitive skills are enough that he'll be able to stay on track with his peers, and meanwhile, his peers are working with that delicate balance between helping and smothering. smile.gif

RR: canoeing today, duathlon tomorrow.

NRR: went to the school board's study session on inBloom on Thursday night. The district is planning to pilot it here, and if you haven't heard about it, it's a "classroom dashboard" that allows school districts to connect all of their various systems in one place so a teacher doesn't have to log into multiple systems and then map it all on spreadsheets or something. It would also allow them to connect curriculum data, lesson plan ideas, test scores, acuity scores, etc. The controversy is all over the board, ranging from concerns that data might be sold so that parties can market more educational programs to the school based on the data, to fears that the system will be hacked. Anyhow, a lot of people who clearly have never attended a board meeting came and they were rude and they kept cheering when someone said something they liked despite the president's repeated requests for them to do a silent cheer (yeah, it's a bit goofy but it also keeps the meeting running...and considering that I've attended 7-hour school board meetings I don't blame them!). These people refused. They actually laughed when the school board president said she couldn't even imagine selling student data (this is a woman who went to school here, taught here, and now is superintendent of the district that contained her entire educational life). I was irate by the time it ended. I have no patience for bad behavior, and less for the fact that many clearly came only to protest, never mind the fact that the district has set up an advisory committee, is still working on what data will and won't be included, and may not go ahead with the pilot in the end. It's in the discussion state and people are so convinced that the "truth" is that the district is busy selling their religious affiliation. (Fact check: the district has never asked about anyone's religious affiliation. How can they include data they don't have?) Anyhow, I think we're in for a very rough fall. And I thought last year was rough with the mill and bond stuff!

We took off for the mountains right after that (literally; DH had the car packed when I got back), so it was a nice break.
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Real, you are a wealth of information! The differentiation is very cool! Good luck at the duathlon! thumb.gif

Gaye, great hike! love the DRs. lol.gif

JG, that sounds like the perfect day. smile.gif

Kerc, how did the nanny interview go?

RM, ow! Is that from running?

Nic, pm-ing you.

RR: Any masters swimmers here? If so, do you know what the commitment level is? I wonder if I have what it takes to swim in a master's league. Friday's hour-long swim has left me so completely sore - even the arches of my feet hurt - but it's that fabulous kind of sore that I could get addicted to.

NRR: Ds (9) got his 1st piano last spring and has taught himself the beginning of "Falling Slowly." He taught himself the right hand first, but then played around with chords and made up the left hand. He hasn't worked his way through the entire song yet, but I've just uploaded part of it here. Anyway if you have a YouTube account, he'd love some comments!
post #255 of 317
I swam with a master's club several years ago, and they had one hour practices two evenings per week. There was a huge range of skill, from nationally competitive to the older man who did all of the workouts with flippers. We were divided into three groups and each given a different but similarly-focused workout. In the middle group that I swam with we typically did around 2000m in the hour, of varying strokes/distances/exercises. Though there were a couple really competitive types, 95% of it was fun focused, and more than half of the group did workouts only and no competitions.
post #256 of 317

Real - I think I'm in love with your GT program!  I don't think anyone in our district has any idea what to do with a kid like Emily.  And the 1 hour/week pullout really doesn't do didly for her. 


RR: Yesterday, I did 4 really amazing miles with DD2.  Each mile was better and faster than the one before.  Our last mile we finished in a 11:06 pace.  This included the walk breaks we took (5:1 run/walk).  I haven't run that fast in years.  Training for this race with DD has been really great for me, personally.  Through watching her learn to love running, I've really started loving it again myself.  It helps that everything is feeling good for the first time in a long time.  Everything is clicking into place.  Unfortunately, the exercise love was just for Saturday, as it turns out.  I was supposed to have a 60+ mile bike ride this morning.  3 flats within the first 9 miles, and I called it a day.  Turns out there was a small tear in the sidewall of my bike tire that was causing the tubes to blow!  Lucky for me, the bike mechanic was riding with us today, so he changed my flats and stayed with me while the husband of another rider came to pick me up (my dh was out riding with a different pace group and had passed us at the first flat).  Bike mechanic now has my bike and is going to put gator skins on it as well as give it a good tune up.  Maybe I can carve out some time to get out for something of a makeup ride next week, but I kind of doubt it.  I am on babysitting duty again next week (hopefully the last week of it). 

post #257 of 317
Jo-I love how you said"cover it so that nothing has to rub against that again, ever!" My thoughts exactly!

Gaye-I wanted to leave it open to form a scab but hard to do since that means I have to sit cross legged in undies, not conducive to workplace, or sleep, lol.

Yes, my FAT THIGHS did that to each other on my 15 miler Saturday. Started at mile FIVE I tell ya. Mile five. Owie. Owie. Next week it's a 20 miler and I'm wearing DANG capri's for Pete's sake. Poor dh had to make a cvs run last night for gauze pads so I could work today. Lol!
post #258 of 317
Originally Posted by Runningmommy View Post

Jo-I love how you said"cover it so that nothing has to rub against that again, ever!" My thoughts exactly!

Gaye-I wanted to leave it open to form a scab but hard to do since that means I have to sit cross legged in undies, not conducive to workplace, or sleep, lol.

Yes, my FAT THIGHS did that to each other on my 15 miler Saturday. Started at mile FIVE I tell ya. Mile five. Owie. Owie. Next week it's a 20 miler and I'm wearing DANG capri's for Pete's sake. Poor dh had to make a cvs run last night for gauze pads so I could work today. Lol!

body glide.

I don't know about after the fact.





swimming: yes. what everyone already said. It is super duper rare that you encounter a club that asks you to be more competitive than you want to. As in, I know about 5 guys who might be that kind of jerk who coach masters, but otherwise, nationwide very inclusive.


holy hot here. 104 heat index. And predictions of more of the same later this week. Super.


I just submitted a book chapter I've been sitting on all summer. Essentially I was good to work on it in may and then was struck with massive anxiety all summer and essentially could.not.write my one paragraph. Tonight I came to work. And I got that submitted. Now the 8000 other things I need to do.

post #259 of 317
Unfortunately body glide doesn't seem to help me during runs greensad.gif I did try it after on this chaffing (it has aloe in it plus I thought might prevent further issues) but it didn't help.
post #260 of 317
Originally Posted by Runningmommy View Post

Unfortunately body glide doesn't seem to help me during runs greensad.gif I did try it after on this chaffing (it has aloe in it plus I thought might prevent further issues) but it didn't help.

What about Vaseline? When I used to swim a lot my suit would rub against my neck. Vaseline did the trick.
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