Originally Posted by MamaMunchkin
The rate of serious side effects is PER USE of vaccine. Use of a rate for measles per population is inadequate to compare with serious side effects PER USE of vaccine. The right way to perform the comparison is by getting the measles death rate PER incidence of measles OR make the comparison with BOTH per population. Furthermore one must obtain the rates BOTH either per vaccine or by all vaccines. Remember, this is one of the grave mistakes related to post #24. The other points are just as important.
Originally Posted by Taximom5
Please answer the question instead of dancing around it. We are all considering benefits vs risks here, and for you to imply that we aren't is condescending, and seems like a deliberate insult.
At exactly what point would you think the risks outweigh the benefits? For example, if a vaccine has the potential to prevent 1000 cases of a disease that kills 3/1000, but the vaccine itself kills 1/1000, would that be an acceptable risk? What about lifelong disability that may be caused by a vaccine, like autoimmune disorders, seizures, or brain damage? How many of such vaccine-induced, non-death disorders are acceptable to you?
Please tell us the exact tipping point of acceptable risk for you.
This request (also made by kathymuggle) is baffling:
- this issue has already been discussed in the 'vaccines more good than harm?' thread. What matters is to compare the benefits vs the risks (as a parent one must make this comparison per vaccine). Now, if the benefits far outweigh the risks, as the scientific evidence suggests, then why try to put a specific number on acceptable risk in general?
- I've provided evidence of the estimates concerning benefits and risks on many of the references provided in previous posts which everyone is welcome to double check.
- Why does my opinion about a specific rate of acceptable risk really matter? If the evidence shows that serious side effect risk of MMR is 1 in 1million, what is the use of putting a number or upper bound on risk?
- This requests is a ploy to avoid answering the requests I made a long time ago about scientific evidence (see my account record for more details on the exchange). Basically, instead of providing the scientific evidence about consensus, I'm asked to provide even more evidence (but of a personal tone now) on the subject. I think it's your turn (taximom5 and kathymuggle) to answer my request. I've been waiting over a week for you to do so.
I'll tell you what, the rate of serious side effects of MMR of no more than 1 in 1million is more than adequate.