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post #41 of 74
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Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama View Post
 

 

This is incredibly judgmental. There are so many moms who have no family support for breastfeeding, no partner, have to go back to work asap and don't feel that they can adequately pump and work. The idea that every mom can breastfeed is great, but honestly it's not feasible for some people. The idea that you can "choose" to stay at home after your baby is born or the idea that you can "stand up for your right to pump at work" is great for those of us in upper class, middle class, and lower middle class existances. Most people on wic aren't in those shoes, and the idea that they should just be given a pump and expected to "deal" is absurd if they came from a family of formula feeding people, have to work 40+ hours a week on minimum wage just to cover the bills, have no support, and are already in a really hard situation.

 

The fact is that just because you have chosen to be really dedicated to something, doesnt mean that the government should choose how other people's babies get fed.

 

As far as the evils of formula go, do you have any idea what people would be feeding their kids if they didn't have access to infant formula? Take a look back in history, you'll see what babies are fed when they dont breastfeed but have no access to formula. 

 

I am sorry- I was under the impression this thread was about how to get more moms to breastfeed?  I agree with you on the lack of support.  But unfortunately the government does decide how those babies get fed by giving their moms free formula.  I think there would be more moms who would breast feed if given a good pump instead.  I get tough situations - and for you to imply that I don't is ridiculous.  The government gets a say in the nourishment of these babies because it is footing the bill.  The government gets no say when they aren't. 

post #42 of 74

I don't understand how women get zero maternity leave in this country and are still expected to somehow breastfeed? I was going to have to fight for 6 weeks unpaid leave, then somehow try to get breaks to feed my child every couple of hours upon return. There's no way my employer would have let me take 3 or 4 breaks a day, and there was no where on site to pump except a restroom stall. Until this country is more friendly toward new moms and families, it seems like touting breastfeeding is just lip service.

post #43 of 74

Part of me can't comprehend a  lack of breastfeeding support. I had my baby in a standard hospital.  Policy was that ALL new moms couldn't leave the hospital without going to a breastfeeding class and meeting with a lactation consultant, regardless of whether or not you stated you planned on formula.

 

(In fact, my cousin, who adopted, had such a situation.  Not with her, but her baby's birth mom gave birth at the same hospital.  They had to fight with the nurses over whether or not the class was necessary since baby was immediately signed over.)

 

Same hospital had the policy that all its midwives and obstetricians working with an expecting mother had to all but force them to attend a more in-depth breastfeeding course while pregnant.  Also gave coupons for the breastfeeding shop right in the hospital (place rented/sold pumps, sold bras, accessories, etc.)

 

Heck, if hospitals took such policies as a matter of course...

post #44 of 74
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I don't understand how women get zero maternity leave in this country and are still expected to somehow breastfeed? I was going to have to fight for 6 weeks unpaid leave, then somehow try to get breaks to feed my child every couple of hours upon return. There's no way my employer would have let me take 3 or 4 breaks a day, and there was no where on site to pump except a restroom stall. Until this country is more friendly toward new moms and families, it seems like touting breastfeeding is just lip service.

The Family Leave Act is FEDERAL LAW, it was ILLEGAL for your employer to make you have to "fight" for 6 weeks unpaid leave. You were legally entitled to at least 12 weeks leave, with your job being held AND your insurance in place. http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/ Please visit this Federal Site for what your RIGHTS as a worker are.


Many states DO have laws in place that require a woman has a "Clean, sanitary private place to pump human milk that has an outlet and is not next to a toilet." All these states also REQUIRE that moms can have the breaks, which don't take that long and some women can even do at their desks while they work. In a standard 8 hour day, 2-3 pumpings, one in the morning (coffee break) one at lunch, and one in the afternoon (afternoon coffee break) is all most women need so that they can pump. I've worked with virtually no women on an 8 hour day who need four pumping breaks a day, and few even need three. Most can get by with two.

 

I worked with a woman some years ago, who worked on a all male road construction crew. (This was before our legislation was passed requiring a "safe sanitary place to pump that is not in the vicinity of a toilet.")  She took her pump to work along with her power pack and blue ice cooler, and pumped her milk 3-4 times in her TEN to TWELVE hour shifts in a little Porta Potty on the Highway. Not ideal by any means, but she told me, "I'm not one to make excuses for what needs to be done. I just figure out a way to do it."  She was a single mom and a Construction Worker and one tough, resourceful chick! :bgbounce She pumped for her baby for well over a year and nursed for even longer than that. She needed to work, her job was road construction and she figured out a way to make it work, I'm not crazy about women pumping in toilets, but this is at least an option, IF really one has no other.  NO employer can stop someone from using the bathroom. Before our laws were enacted a knew a LOT of women who used "potty breaks" to pump when they felt they had no other choice. Our laws in many states require women be given places that are NOT next to toilets and those that have outlets and now no one in our state HAS to resort to this. But, I applaud the women who did whatever it took back then!     

 

I have worked with women who have had their babies brought to them at work in order to breastfeed, and others who have taken advantage of the Family Leave Act which is Federal Law and REQUIRES your employer to hold your job for a least 12 weeks after the birth of a baby, an adoption (many women who adopt breastfeed) or to allow them to take time off to care for a sick relative. It's LAW that every employer has to obey Family Leave Act.

 

In the states that have Pumping Laws, those laws weren't just "given" to us, we worked like dogs (myself included despite the fact that I was a SAHM at the time they were enacted and while I was part of the push to get those laws enacted) to get those laws through the state legislature.

 

Women who live in states where there are no laws retain the right for women, many of whom are good, valued employees, to negotiate with their employers to get these rights and to band together with others to get these laws enacted in their states.

 

We did it, other states have done it, it wasn't easy, but the breastfeeding rate among women who work outside the home has never been higher in IL since these laws went into effect.


Edited by MaggieLC - 10/9/13 at 8:29am
post #45 of 74

The FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act) only applies to employers with 50 or more employees.

 

I don't like this at all... "Policy was that ALL new moms couldn't leave the hospital without going to a breastfeeding class and meeting with a lactation consultant, regardless of whether or not you stated you planned on formula."

 

What's up with that? Do you all agree with this? I'd go tell the hospital staff to shove that class up their asses. No one is going to make me do ANYTHING. This is BS. I nursed my kids and agree that breastfeeding is what is best. However, making people do ANYTHING is WRONG... whether you agree with it or not.

 

"Same hospital had the policy that all its midwives and obstetricians working with an expecting mother had to all but force them to attend a more in-depth breastfeeding course while pregnant.  Also gave coupons for the breastfeeding shop right in the hospital (place rented/sold pumps, sold bras, accessories, etc.)"

 

Where is this hospital???? Is this a good idea? NO. I could see this having the complete opposite effect of its intent. I'd take the coupons though.

 

"I don't understand how women get zero maternity leave in this country and are still expected to somehow breastfeed?"

 

That's not true at all. Is this a blanket statement, or are you just speaking about your personal experience? Maternity leave is offered in this country. If there is somewhere where it isn't, get a new job. Your employer has nothing to do with how you decide to feed your kid. You choose to have children. The how, why, when, where you feed your kids is on YOU. Your employer is not responsible to help you figure out what you are going to do. We all know what the laws are for FMLA, breastfeeding in public, pumping at work, etc, but other than that, you need to figure all that stuff out. I'm tired of this mentality.

 

"But unfortunately the government does decide how those babies get fed by giving their moms free formula.  I think there would be more moms who would breast feed if given a good pump instead."

 

Well, breastfeeding is free also. So, instead of giving free formula give free breast pumps instead? That would also be the government making a choice for someone about how their babies are fed, right? How about offering both and allowing a mother the choice.

post #46 of 74
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I first want to acknowledge that there are some very legitimate reasons why some moms formula feed. Some of those moms end up formula feeding because they are not receiving the help they need to start breastfeeding and stick with it. That's what this thread is all about.

 

The breastfeeding support provided through Medicaid is very limited and is very inconsistent from one state to the next, so the impact Medicaid has on breastfeeding is minimal.

 

The WIC Program has been encouraging women to breastfeed for years. However, it seems like whenever they come up with a new method to promote breastfeeding which has some success, like WIC breastfeeding peer counselors and WIC breastfeeding tv ad campaign, then the lobbyists for the formula companies wine and dine a few key people in Congress and the next thing you know the funding for those programs has been cut. Yes, the free formula provided by the WIC Program probably entices some moms to formula feed before they have given breastfeeding a fair chance. But in those cases there are often numerous issues the mom is dealing with (teen moms, finishing school, no family support, no support from the father, poverty, etc.) and quite frankly the choice whether to breastfeed or formula feed doesn't have the same significance to those moms as it does for you and me.

 

Also sharing the blame for low breastfeeding rates in the U.S. are the health care professionals. The list of health care professional organizations that strongly promote breastfeeding is too long to list here. Even though the organization itself strongly endorses breastfeeding, its members don't always fully support the endorsement. For example, professional nurses' associations endorse breastfeeding as best, and yet nurses give away free formula gift bags to new moms in the hospitals. Doctors are also members of professional organizations that endorse breastfeeding as best, and yet doctors often don't take nearly enough time to talk with their pregnant patients about breastfeeding. To those health care professionals I say this: if you're not going to lead, at least don't stand in the way.

 

There are also those who love to talk, but fail to act, aka: politicians. Congress noted the importance of preventive health services for women in the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). Instead of writing the regulation needed to "promote and support" breastfeeding themselves, they passed the buck to the U.S. Secretary of DHHS. Even though the DHHS has been encouraging women to breastfeed for years, for some reason the thousands of people who work for the DHHS couldn't write the breastfeeding support regulations for the insurance companies without first consulting with the Institute of Medicine.

 

It's really tough to understand what the Institute of Medicine was thinking when they studied the breastfeeding support issue and made their recommendation to the Secretary of DHHS. Here are 3 quotes from the IOM report:

1. "After being discharged from the hospital, mothers may have no means of identifying or obtaining the skilled support needed to address their concers about lactation and breastfeeding; furthermore, barriers to reimbursement for needed lactation support and services may exist."

2. "Several studies have found gaps between providers' intentions surrounding breastfeeding counseling and their training, experience, and practice in supporting patients with breastfeeding."

3. "...clinicians' perceptions of the counseling they provided on breastfeeding did not match their patients' perceptions of the counseling received." "...it was found that among mothers whose prenatal clinicial stated that they always or usually discussed breastfeeding with their patients, only 16 percent of mothers indicated that breastfeeding had been discussed during their prenatal visits."

So what was the IOM's recommendation to the DHHS? "The committee recommends for consideration as a preventive service for women: comprehensive lactation support and counseling and costs of renting breastfeeding equipment. A trained provider should provide counseling services to all pregnant women and to those in the postpartum period to ensure the successful initiation and duration of breastfeeding." How could the IOM possibly have thought that their recommendation would be a solution to the 3 problems (listed above) which were in the report they prepared for the DHHS???

 

To review... There is universal agreement that breastfeeding is the best method of feeding infants... however... Medicaid, a government health insurance provider, is of little or no help with breastfeeding support. Funding to the WIC breastfeeding support programs are cut whenever they experience some success. Congress is under the control of the formula company lobbyists so they aren't any help. The Institute of Medicine has a problem connecting the dots in their own report and thus their recommendation to the DHHS is pointless. And finally, the secretary of DHHS (Kathleen Sebelius) has been unwilling or unable to put in place a detailed set of meaningful guidelines that health insurance companies will follow under Obamacare in order to increase breastfeeding rates in the U.S. We are on the verge of squandering the best opportunity we've had at increasing breastfeeding rates in the U.S. We need our leaders to lead!!!


Edited by devoted2kids - 10/10/13 at 7:03am
post #47 of 74
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 The FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act) only applies to employers with 50 or more employees.

 Well observed.  Too many people forget that ruling.  Which, having seen the plights of small businesses, I agree with,

 

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I don't like this at all... "Policy was that ALL new moms couldn't leave the hospital without going to a breastfeeding class and meeting with a lactation consultant, regardless of whether or not you stated you planned on formula."

 

What's up with that? Do you all agree with this? I'd go tell the hospital staff to shove that class up their asses. No one is going to make me do ANYTHING. This is BS. I nursed my kids and agree that breastfeeding is what is best. However, making people do ANYTHING is WRONG... whether you agree with it or not.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I see your point (I'm very libertarian and believe people should be able to choose) and I do agree with you to a point.  I recall being, if not exactly annoyed, wondering what the big deal was. 

 

HOWEVER, I was also aware of this policy when I selected the hospital.  Meaning the choice was entirely mine. 

 

I would have the hospital amend the necessity of the class to those who declared they would be breastfeeding rather than making the formula-choosers suffer through it, but I also included this check-out class on the same level as other policies (watching the PURPLE crying DVD, for example).  That is, let's make sure we send these people out with some idea of what they are doing.  I prefer the policy to a let's-not-mention breastfeeding approach. 

 

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"Same hospital had the policy that all its midwives and obstetricians working with an expecting mother had to all but force them to attend a more in-depth breastfeeding course while pregnant.  Also gave coupons for the breastfeeding shop right in the hospital (place rented/sold pumps, sold bras, accessories, etc.)"

 

Where is this hospital???? Is this a good idea? NO. I could see this having the complete opposite effect of its intent. I'd take the coupons though.

 

Again, still partially agreeing with you, in what specific ways do you see this backfiring?  I found the accessibility of the class to be extremely beneficial.  To be relate more of my experience, I merely had my doctor continually mentioning the class on each visit.  The hospital, if you're curious, is in Logan, Utah. 

 

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 Maternity leave is offered in this country. If there is somewhere where it isn't, get a new job. Your employer has nothing to do with how you decide to feed your kid. You choose to have children. The how, why, when, where you feed your kids is on YOU. Your employer is not responsible to help you figure out what you are going to do. We all know what the laws are for FMLA, breastfeeding in public, pumping at work, etc, but other than that, you need to figure all that stuff out. I'm tired of this mentality.

 

Amen.  I really hate this entitlement mentality that the world must act to take away every little challenge of child-feeding from us. 

 

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Well, breastfeeding is free also. So, instead of giving free formula give free breast pumps instead? That would also be the government making a choice for someone about how their babies are fed, right? How about offering both and allowing a mother the choice.

Who is paying for the breastpumps?  Does everyone really need a breastpump?  Besides, most of the formula sent home is simply formula companies pushing samples.

post #48 of 74
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 HOWEVER, I was also aware of this policy when I selected the hospital.  Meaning the choice was entirely mine.

 

If you knew the hospital policy beforehand, then that is a whole different animal. If YOU made the choice to use that hospital anyway, then that's ok.

 

I would have the hospital amend the necessity of the class to those who declared they would be breastfeeding rather than making the formula-choosers suffer through it, but I also included this check-out class on the same level as other policies (watching the PURPLE crying DVD, for example).  That is, let's make sure we send these people out with some idea of what they are doing.  I prefer the policy to a let's-not-mention breastfeeding approach.

 

I just don't think people should be made to do anything... especially people who choose to do something one way, then are forced to take a class about something that is complete opposite of what they want to do.

 

Again, still partially agreeing with you, in what specific ways do you see this backfiring?  I found the accessibility of the class to be extremely beneficial.  To be relate more of my experience, I merely had my doctor continually mentioning the class on each visit.  The hospital, if you're curious, is in Logan, Utah.

 

The whole forcing issue again (had to all but force them to attend a more in-depth breastfeeding course while pregnant.). I just have a real problem with that approach. The whole backfiring thing, is more about me than anyone else. I'd still breastfeed, but I would have a real bad taste in my mouth over the whole lactivism movement if this happened to me.

 

Who is paying for the breastpumps?  Does everyone really need a breastpump?  Besides, most of the formula sent home is simply formula companies pushing samples.

 

I was just trying to make a point. The taxpayers would be paying for those "free" breastpumps, which isn't right. Does everyone really need one? Probably not. I did, but I paid for it myself.

post #49 of 74

I think we think similarly erinmattsmom.

 

I also think I went on a small mental tangent on breast pumps.  I wound up with two free breast pumps (I'm one of those horrible Amazon Vine people) and was thrilled to have them... only to find I can't find a bottle nipple my daughter actually likes.  I'm not working, so it's not a big deal.  But I also had a co-worker back when who couldn't get her baby to take a bottle.  Daycare was down the street... she just headed off every now and then to nurse.  And this was with a very small non-profit office (we still think if we had bothered the boss enough, she could have kept the baby right in her office.)

 

My point being:  while breast pumps are awesome and certainly have their place, I think the battle cry of "everyone needs a breast pump!" is far from reality and shouldn't necessarily be the #1 consideration in breastfeeding support.  Because breast pumps... really aren't breastfeeding. 

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I think we think similarly erinmattsmom.

 

I also think I went on a small mental tangent on breast pumps.  I wound up with two free breast pumps (I'm one of those horrible Amazon Vine people) and was thrilled to have them... only to find I can't find a bottle nipple my daughter actually likes.  I'm not working, so it's not a big deal.  But I also had a co-worker back when who couldn't get her baby to take a bottle.  Daycare was down the street... she just headed off every now and then to nurse.  And this was with a very small non-profit office (we still think if we had bothered the boss enough, she could have kept the baby right in her office.)

 

My point being:  while breast pumps are awesome and certainly have their place, I think the battle cry of "everyone needs a breast pump!" is far from reality and shouldn't necessarily be the #1 consideration in breastfeeding support.  Because breast pumps... really aren't breastfeeding.

Yes, I agree!!!! :thumb

post #51 of 74

I agree every new mother doesn't need a breast pump. In fact, I have found that sometimes the presence of a pump in the house when the baby is new (and the pump isn't medically necessary)  encourages the mom to "pump and put in in a bottle." Few mother's of healthy babies who go home with them need to do this in the early weeks. Moms of preterm babies or other babies who are put in the NICU (what is it with "low blood sugar" being diagnosed lately? I'm losing my mind with 50-75% of my clients' kids being dxed with this most dubious diagnosis.) need a pump.

 

Although there are rental places and many IBCLCs and even pharmacies who rent Hospital Quality breast pumps and in my area ALL the hospitals rent them. If mom isn't going to be leaving the baby after the baby gets home or if she is going to use a pump for less than 5 months, it's actually more economical to rent a pump. Home quality pumps (like the ubiquitous Pump In Style) have a motor life of "2 children or 3 years) then you NEED a new one. I can't tell you how may broken down, suctionless Pump In Styles I've had clients using that they borrowed from friends and sisters, got second hand or (gag) got on Ebay. That's bodily fluid flowing through those things,  please don't share these single patient use pumps!  Getting "a new kit" does nothing for the milk or the resulting fungus or mold or bacteria or viruses that can grow behind the diaphragm or in the actual motor of some of these Home Quality Pumps.

 

Only hospital quality pumps that use a closed system which prevents milk from entering the motor or the diaphragm can be shared, as NO bodily fluid can be exchanged, Basically, we're talking the Lactina Select or the Symphony. Plus these Real Hospital Quality Pumps can take abuse and can last through 100s of patients, not just one, like the Pump In Style. Don't get me wrong, the Pump In Style is a great little pump..... for ONE mother to use and NOT share or give away later. After 3 years or 2 kids, get rid of it, the motor will go and there's nothing you can do to prevent contamination!

 

As for the "50 or less employees." The company I work for has less than 50 employees, we can take a LOOOONG maternity leave and get our jobs back (heck, I took ELEVEN YEARS and got my job back :lactivist) plus there are some hospital quality pumps you can attach your kit to, or you can bring your own pump OR you can bring your baby or toddler to work in the office or are attending seminars, classes, training etc. Those of us who do home visits do not bring our children with us to do said home visits. Of course, some of us got 11 year old maternity leaves. 

 

There must be some way to appeal to the ethics and morality of Big Business (or small business.) I'm well aware that one cannot legislate morality, but think how many more GOOD quality employees companies will keep if they do ethical things, like uphold the Breastfeeding Laws intended for big businesses, even if they don't "have to."  When I worked at the La Leche League Head Office, we had pumps a pumping room or you could pump at your desk or in the conference room LONG before legislation was enacted and on some occasions we could bring our children to work. It CAN be done and usually it is only for the betterment of the company. Their employees miss less work because of sick children, they are less likely to quit due to child unfriendly environments and when employees are happy, they are more productive.

 

You would think companies would WANT their employees to have healthier children and one of the ways to attain that goal is to implement stuff that makes it easier for women to breastfeed. Of course, there are always women who can and DO flout the rules and do it anyway. When I first started in this field, it was in many places the ONLY way you could do it. I think to be a GREAT Mama you often have to be a rebel as well as very innovative.

post #52 of 74
I think paid maternity leave would be the first thing that would be needed. At least for a portion of the leave for any woman that is working. I am on leave now for a newborn and I really don't know how I will keep this up when I go back to work, pumping while working will not be easy. And I am on leave because I can afford the pay cut, not everyone has that luxury.

Also if they are serious they would extend the FMLA guarantee for mothers to 6 months since that is how long they recommend you exclusively breastfeed.

Finally lactation consultant should be considered like any other medical service and be part of the benefits.
post #53 of 74
Don't allow WIC to cover formula, instead, have lactation consultants at WIC offices to offer help to new moms, as well as offering prenatal information classes. But really, if the government wants to support breast feeding, it should stop paying for women to buy formula. WIC would also probably have to not allow the purchase of milk, or at least not when the children supported are still new born, because I'm sure people will just give their babies cows' milk instead of formula and instead of breast feeding. I have friends who think cows' milk is great for babies...my two cents!
post #54 of 74

Breastfeeding does not reduce rate of asthma or obesity. It does not make IQ higher. It is also not easy for many people. Breastfeeding provides many other benefits and it is right way to feed a baby for many, but not all families.

 

Breastfeeding is awesome and I think it is great that federal government will help with LC and pumps . I sure could have used free help years ago!

 

I think the thing that would really make a difference in  breastfeeding rates in US is 1 year paid maternity leave. Good luck  making GOP and crazy Tea Party people to agree with it.

post #55 of 74
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I think the thing that would really make a difference in  breastfeeding rates in US is 1 year paid maternity leave. Good luck  making GOP and crazy Tea Party people to agree with it.

 

Oh, please. I know more Democrats against paid maternity leave than any other group. 

 

Furthermore, I wasn't aware of a whole bunch of any party trying to push through any sort of paid maternity leave bill. 


Edited by Backroads - 10/11/13 at 7:57pm
post #56 of 74
Some people you are talking to are perhaps not beingbhonest to you about their political affiliations. As a dyed the wool Left Wing Democrat who has many similar thinking friends I know of NONE who are against more rights for workers, including at least some paid Maternity leave.

And, considering the Left got the first Family Leave Act passed (albeit watered down by the Right) I don't think there is any real argument about who's on the side of the Worker.
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Not to be argumentative here- but I don't think anyone has suggested what is obvious at least to me.  Quit giving out formula via WIC.  Give a pump and call it a day.  Should there be the rare but real case of NOT being able to BF- then have the dr write an rx for formula or the parent can purchase the formula.  This is not rocket science and more mandates and laws and whatnot are not the answer.  You want healthier babies and moms?   Quit giving them the crap that makes them unhealthy.

Many people think this. However you underestimat the will of women who for whatever reason are vehrmently against breast feeding. People would give unaltered cow's milk, watered down cereal, mashed egg, pureed meat ALL kinds of crap that is actually worse than formula. People did it in the past don't, they do it in places where formuls is only available via RX, like the Philippines and they'd do it here.

I have learned never to underestimate the will of people who start s lot of sentences with, "Well, a LOT of women just CAN'T breast feed you know. ..." EVERY FREAKIN TIME anyon mentions ANY benefit of breast feeding in any context.
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Some people you are talking to are perhaps not beingbhonest to you about their political affiliations. As a dyed the wool Left Wing Democrat who has many similar thinking friends I know of NONE who are against more rights for workers, including at least some paid Maternity leave.

And, considering the Left got the first Family Leave Act passed (albeit watered down by the Right) I don't think there is any real argument about who's on the side of the Worker.


I think you're not considering all the values that can make up one's political views.  These Democrats I know are against paid maternity leave in all cases because of how detrimental such laws can be to small businesses.  The Republicans I know who are for paid maternity leave like to bring up family values and support. 

 

As a Left Wing Democrat, are you really willing to have small businesses crumble because they are unable to afford to give paid maternity leave? I've seen people that claim that political affiliation who are in favor of people losing their jobs just so someone can have maternity leave.  The Right fought for small business protection with FMLA in order to protect workers.  Unless you have some government or pay-in system assisting small businesses to pay for maternity leave, don't you dare give this blind stereotyped view of what any party believes. 

post #59 of 74

Okay, that last post was largely a vent.  I hate stereotyping in politics without anyone bothering to understand what individuals think and believe and I hate the remark that only specific parties care about women and breastfeeding.  The natural parenting mindset is hardly party-specific.

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I think you're not considering all the values that can make up one's political views.  These Democrats I know are against paid maternity leave in all cases because of how detrimental such laws can be to small businesses.  The Republicans I know who are for paid maternity leave like to bring up family values and support. 

 

As a Left Wing Democrat, are you really willing to have small businesses crumble because they are unable to afford to give paid maternity leave? I've seen people that claim that political affiliation who are in favor of people losing their jobs just so someone can have maternity leave.  The Right fought for small business protection with FMLA in order to protect workers.  Unless you have some government or pay-in system assisting small businesses to pay for maternity leave, don't you dare give this blind stereotyped view of what any party believes. 


Please.

 

Chill.


Edited by MaggieLC - 10/12/13 at 2:25pm
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