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Hello!  This is my first post on mothering.com as I just heard about this website today!  I joined this website exactly for this reason vaccination I am trying to understand what is right and what is wrong and I just don't know how to research vaccines because I feel like I am only getting 1 sided answers.  I ordered a book on amazon and am waiting for the book.  I am currently 25 weeks pregnant this week and really want to do the right thing for my child.  I was immunized as a child and I don't think that my family would have it any other way but DH has never been immunized let along seen a doctor (as he was born at home).  If anyone has some suggested reading or articles for me to read either being for vacines or not could you please share with me?  I am not trying to get into a heated debate (as the "blog" I wrote on another website it became heated) am just trying to learn what is best for my child.   

Thank you in advance!

post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by tjheld View Post

I joined this website exactly for this reason vaccination I am trying to understand what is right and what is wrong and I just don't know how to research vaccines because I feel like I am only getting 1 sided answers.

 

Welcome!  Since you're new here, you may or may not be aware of the significance of posting in the I'm Not Vaccinating forum.  Per forum guidelines, you will also receive one-sided information here, as this sub-forum only allows discussions supportive of not vaccinating.  If you would like to read both sides, you can post in the discussion and debate forum, and if you would like one-sided information from the "other side", you can post in Mindful Vaccination.

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Welcome!  Since you're new here, you may or may not be aware of the significance of posting in the I'm Not Vaccinating forum.  Per forum guidelines, you will also receive one-sided information here, as this sub-forum only allows discussions supportive of not vaccinating.  If you would like to read both sides, you can post in the discussion and debate forum, and if you would like one-sided information from the "other side", you can post in Mindful Vaccination.

Heaven forbid the OP would get 'bad' information, from all us anti-vax nuts.

post #4 of 12

I always think this is a great start, Dr Sherri Tenpenny on vaccines.

 

 

 

This video too, is worth watching with pediatrician Dr Lawrence Palevsky

 

post #5 of 12

I usually suggest those new to vaccine decisions read the CDC Pink Book - appendix included.  

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/index.html

 

I would also read Dr. Sears Vaccine book.  He proposes an alternate schedule and  is not afraid to express concerns he has (which is great - a lot of mainstream pro-vax stuff white-washes any issues, in my opinion).  You should be able to get it at the library or on inter-library loan.

 

Read the vaccine inserts of vaccines - not just the information sheet of vaccines.

 

Here is a list of click-able inserts:

 

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

 

For a non-vax perspective, I would also check out NVIC, Smart vax and Sanevax. I would dismiss anything not cited.  Check anything cited to see if they interpreted it the way you would.

 

As you are pregnant, I would start with the vaccine decisions you will face soon.

 

There is a an excellent possibility your doctor or midwife will suggest the flu and tdap in pregnancy.  I would skip them.  They have not been adequately tested on pregnant women and are still listed as class  B or C drugs.

 

You also need to decide before you give birth on whether or not to allow Hep. B at birth.  

Here is a decidedly non-vax article on the issue:

 

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/should-infants-be-vaccinated-against-hepatitis-b-how-much-aluminum-is-safe-for-infants/

 

I hate the hep. b at birth shot for babies.  The only babies who might benefit from Hep. b at birth are those whose mothers have hep. b (and even then I would research the heck out of it).  Mothers can be screened for hep. b during pregnancy. Please note that many other developed countries do not do hep. b at birth.


Edited by kathymuggle - 8/12/13 at 4:58pm
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Heaven forbid the OP would get 'bad' information, from all us anti-vax nuts.

I don't think Chickabiddy was suggesting the OP would receive 'bad' information here but since she did seem concerned about only receiving "one-sided" information it does seem appropriate to make her aware that some forums here are basically one-sided by design. I have seen similar posts in the Mindful Vaccination forum suggesting new parents visit this forum as well to see both sides of the coin.

OP - welcome to MDC, look around a bit and I'm sure you'll find the answers you're looking for :-)
post #7 of 12
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I don't think Chickabiddy was suggesting the OP would receive 'bad' information here but since she did seem concerned about only receiving "one-sided" information it does seem appropriate to make her aware that some forums here are basically one-sided by design. I have seen similar posts in the Mindful Vaccination forum suggesting new parents visit this forum as well to see both sides of the coin.

OP - welcome to MDC, look around a bit and I'm sure you'll find the answers you're looking for :-)

No of course not! Why else would a couple of vocal pro-vaxers be posting on this thread?

 

I am sure the OP knew which forum she was posting in. 

post #8 of 12

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

post #9 of 12

Next time, please PM the OP instead. That's what we are told to do if we disagree with something in the Mindful Vax section. This just happened a few days ago as a matter of fact, so it's still fresh in my mind.

 

Otherwise, good links everyone!

post #10 of 12

The OP specifically stated that she wanted information from both sides of the issue, and she also specifically stated that she did not want a debate.

 

Feel free to flag my post if you believe it violates forum guidelines.

post #11 of 12
It's tough when questions like this come up because of how the categories are set up. I have posted in the Mindful Vax forum before on a question such as this. I think it's fine as long as no one is saying not vaxxing is wrong here or vice versa on the Mindful Vax forum. I haven't seen any opposition to not vaxxing in any of these posts.

OP, I think if you also post in the Mindful Vaccination forum you will end up with good info from both sides. And I also suggest not posting in the debate forum, because it usually ends up in a lot of stress for everyone involved LOL. You will know what I mean if you spend any time there!!

The vaccine choice is really tough and there is a lot of passion on both sides. The key is to try and find information that is not "against" any particular side, but that is simply information that doesn't tell you how to think. I found what was most helpful to me was to read the inserts that come with the vaccines. Lots of information there. Obviously, I chose not to Vax but I have lots of friends who delayed and some that did the full schedule on time. It should always be a choice. :-)

Good luck!!!
post #12 of 12

As someone who began vaxxing before taking the plunge to never vax again, you may also ask around for anyone with a vaccine injured child.  Seeing/hearing first hand some of the things that can happen (and just how quick many medical "professionals" are to brush it off as nothing) is a real eye opener.

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