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Why see a doctor?post #1 of 308/24/13 at 1:07pmThread StarterDon't take this as a judgement. I respect those who don't vaccinate for their stance against it. A question vax are a part of modern medicine right? Then why see a doctor? IMO it would be unnecessary since they will prescribe medications for whatever ailment. Those that refuse vax also refuse antibiotics etc. What is your stance on this?post #2 of 308/24/13 at 1:13pmMany people who don vax will do antibiotics or other medicines when needed. For instance, my son had really bad croup and he had to have a steroid. Also, he was burned when he was little and had to go to the hospital. I gave him pain medicine while he was healing.
It's a misconception that because one refuses vaccinations they refuse all medical care.post #3 of 308/24/13 at 1:47pmI go to the doctor for guidance & diagnostics (lab tests, swabs). Also to establish a relationship, mutually benefical, that helps me avoid the ER & Urgent Care (where alternative parents are way more likely to be hassled & where care is not as good b/c they don't have a full medical history). And to be real, to strengthen my legal position as a CO & as a mama.
My LOs have *never* actually needed Antibiotics or any prescription medications, but as an Herbalist, diagnostics are outside my 'scope'. I can treat with safe herbal medicines, once I have a diagnosis. A relationship with a Ped/Family MD helps me know where safe boundaries are regarding illness AND they often will help me after hours, over the phone, just because I bring my LOs in for well visits & we are established as patients.
Even mainstream parents are supposed to be using Fever Reducers & Antibiotics as little as possible, that is established in the medical literature.
Doctors were around WAY before our current Vax schedule. It is a part of what they do today, but it is not even close to 100% of what they can & should do.
I also want my sons to be informed & empowered health care consumers & stewards of their own bodies. I actually think that bringing them to the doctor & having them see me use it as only ONE tool in my toolkit makes them more likely to choose the least amount of intervention necessary in the future.post #4 of 308/24/13 at 2:26pm
I'm not too keen on vaccinations (I'm not anti, just not impressed enough to medicate my healthy kids with them), but I certainly resort to antibiotics when the situation calls for it. I've even been known to enthusiastically agree to preventative antibiotics when the wound was nasty enough. There are some things that mainstream medicine does well, there are some things it does less well, I like to take the stuff I find useful and leave the rest. Fortunately, I'm blessed with an open-minded, respectful doctor.post #5 of 308/24/13 at 10:22pmpost #6 of 308/25/13 at 5:22am
We see the dr to get his opinion, or if I want my suspicions confirmed. We may not agree with his opinion and plan of treatment, and luckily we have a dr whom i can openly discuss things with. Anymore when we do go in, he'll ask, 'So what do you think we should do about this, -or what would you like to do? instead of, 'here, just take this'post #7 of 308/25/13 at 8:41am
I dont shun western medicine. I will do antibiotics if needed, but I take them very seriously, and only give when I feel necessary. I will give my DD medication if she seems to be in a lot of pain. Hell western medicine is excellent at treating trauma. If I get injured or in an accident you bet I am going to the hospital for treatment. If I have a developmental concern or am not sure how to treat something, I will bring her in.
I have a chronic illness, and I take medication everyday, along with herbs and supplements. Its the combination which puts me in remission, and keeps me there the longest.post #8 of 308/25/13 at 12:16pmpost #9 of 308/25/13 at 12:18pmQuote:Originally Posted by BeckyBird
I love when someone says "Don't take this as a judgment"....and then proceeds to say something totally offensive and judgmental. Why not be honest, and admit the real reason you ventured into the "I'm Not Vaccinating" forum: to stir up trouble. That was your goal, wasn't it?
Haha, you and I are on the same brain waves right now.
I agree. Clearly, lulu0910 likes to stir up trouble!!post #10 of 308/25/13 at 12:41pmpost #11 of 308/26/13 at 1:42pmpost #12 of 308/26/13 at 7:51pmpost #13 of 308/27/13 at 7:10amQuote:
I agree however, while they might be great at diagnosing a condition, but healing that condition is not one of their strong suits because the only options they have are toxic pharmaceuticals that posion the enzyme systems or cutting out body parts.post #14 of 308/27/13 at 8:13amQuote:
isn't that the truth!!! the drs solution for my athritis is to operate---i have arthritis ALL over neck to toes, so how are they going to effectively treat me? their anwer: operate, and remove the offending body part, rather than try to heal it. Sorry, i'm not having every joint i own operated on, and that is just the silliest thing i ever heard in my life...i finally found a dr who is treating me with different braces and alternative therapies, which will not include operating on me. The alternative therapies are working better than any pharmie ever did.post #15 of 308/27/13 at 5:18pm
I just had that conversation with my naturopath about how one blood test will determine what she suspects to be the offending issue and it will be fixed with one simple supplement. Versus treating each of my ailments individually (anemia, anxiety, fatigue, memory issues, circulatory problems) which would cost not only me, but the insurance company a small fortune in "specialists", testing and treatment. I'll take a naturopath over an MD any day of the week, unless I legitimately do require surgery. But even then, I'd use my ND for recovery because they listen far better.post #16 of 301/7/14 at 9:51pmpost #17 of 301/7/14 at 10:02pm
I haven't been to a doctor and neither have my kids for over 5 years. Its not because we shun western medicine completely - there is def a time and a place for it but we have never needed it. We avoid all pharma products including tylenol and have never needed them.
However, when my son had a seizure due to a concussion we used all the specialists and took all the precautions needed.
My dog is also unvaccinated at 10.5 yrs old. The only shot he gets is Rabies and thats because we travel over the border with him regularly and need to....he also doesn't see a vet;)
post #18 of 301/8/14 at 7:32amQuote:
I have in the past and always tested negative, although I know how iffy of a test it is, but unfortunately my symptoms fall on many listspost #19 of 301/8/14 at 10:51am
Dr. Robert Mendelsohn MD used to say that the only time to go to a medical doctor is when you are carried to one. The very best of modern medicine is found in the treatment of shock, trauma, and broken bones.
However, I agree with aggie pop. Having my very fine and respected pediatrician back in the day helped me immeasurably when I needed help.
Edited by applejuice - 1/8/14 at 11:09ampost #20 of 301/9/14 at 6:00amQuote:Originally Posted by Lulu0910
Don't take this as a judgement. I respect those who don't vaccinate for their stance against it. A question vax are a part of modern medicine right? Then why see a doctor? IMO it would be unnecessary since they will prescribe medications for whatever ailment. Those that refuse vax also refuse antibiotics etc. What is your stance on this?
We don't vaccinate our 3 children, but we still like to do the well child visits because I want my kids to feel comfortable with and know their doctor, and I want our doctor to know us really well. It is not a big deal. Once a year (more for babies) we go and they get weighed, measured, ears and eyes checked out and sometimes iron levels checked. The doctor gets a good idea of how well we are taking care of the kids and we all head on our way feeling good. I usually find that our doctor answers a question that I have had or teaches me something I didn't know about health. Yes, they are mainstream, so we take the advice that works for us and leave the rest.
If we EVER had to do antibiotics for something, or see a doctor for something more serious and unexpected, we already know and feel comfortable with our family doctor.
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