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post #141 of 202
I've been having strange sensations in my incision the larger my pregnant belly gets, especially when the baby moves in that area (which is a lot; all the movement seems to be located at the base of my incision). Sometimes it feels like it's going to split right open, which I know it won't but I can't imagine how it will feel as I get bigger : . Has anyone else experienced this? Does it get worse as the pregnancy progresses? (I'm about 6.5 months along right now)
post #142 of 202
Hi Carla,

Well, the good news is that your incision won't split open The bad news is it may hurt, feel stretchy as you get bigger (if it's anything like my experience). I'm good so far this time (this is my third preg/ 4th baby) and I don't feel much stretching in my incision this time but I'm only 20 weeks so ask me in a couple months You know where I'm feeling stretching??? In my apendix scar!!!! My apendix burst last Sept. and my incision is driving me crazy during this preg... weird But I have the same feeling, like it's going to pop open.

Kind of off topic, I put belly salve on my pregnant belly the last two pregnancies but I haven't this time. I thought that was the reason I never got any stretch marks or itchy feeling but we'll have to see if I get that way this time since I haven't been using any salve.
post #143 of 202
Carla-- I think it depends on the person. I didn't have a lot of incision pain till close to the end. ....well, I guess around the time you are having it now.

It was worse depending on where baby was. I tried to keep him off the spot that hurt. Convincing an unborn child to not hurt you isnt easy
post #144 of 202
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Originally Posted by its_our_family
It was worse depending on where baby was. I tried to keep him off the spot that hurt. Convincing an unborn child to not hurt you isnt easy
Lol, that's true! I have a hard enough time convincing my toddler to stay off it. (oh, I forgot to mention I have the "classical" incision, belly button to bottom of my stomach so it's a pretty big area). It feels really tight on the outside, but then I had a lot of slack skin there before.

I see the OB on Thursday so I'll finally find out what's going to happen to me this time around regarding giving birth. I have acceptance either way (although part of me kind of wants the same birth this time as it wasn't a bad experience for me last time, although this time I have a very attached toddler to worry about).
post #145 of 202
hi mamas! I haven't posted in awhile...still processing my c/b!

though my c/b turned out to be a really positive experience DH and I are really questioning one of the MW's actions during my labor (before I transferred to the hospital and labored with another MW & Dr.)

I'm prety sure I would have ended up with a c/b regardless due to ds positioning as he was aclyntic(sp) so I'm not placing any blame at all, just having some issues over the labor coming up..

anyway at one point during labor this particular MW questioned mine & DH relationship,my upbringing and also censored me! it was really strange and the more I think about it the more it really bothers me (and DH as well). I have talked to several people (and another MW) about this and they all think what was said/asked was hugely innapropriate. it actually took us until this past weekend to figure out that my labor started to stall about the time that the conversation in question took place. ugh. i really didn't think much about it at the time but do remember watching what I was saying during my labor around her after she made her comments though I totally didn't recognize it at the time. anyway I really feel like such an idiot now for not protecting my space! I know better than that!!!

otherwise i have been making it a priority to do lots of bodywork the last couple weeks (ie;massage,exercise,hydrotherapy) and it's been a rollercoaster as I really notice my emotions about the c/b emerging because of it. i must say though it's really helped me process things further and is helping me start to heal on an emotional level. not to mention I'm feeling absolutley great physically! (finally!) I am dying to start pilates but have decided to wait another couple of weeks as I'm a little paranoid about working on my abs right now since I've been mostly pain free other than the occasional needlelike electric twinge.

anyway thanks for reading & for the support, this thread has really helped me get through this!
post #146 of 202
rainbowmoon--It sounds like you are doing well!! As for your mw.... that is weird. Most mw would know not to say anything "stupid" during labor for just that reason.

I saw on another psot that things are moving along for KKmama. It sounded like she was in early labor.... I hope she had that vbac!!!
post #147 of 202
mommy2three, just wanted to welcome you to our circle!

i've been lurking a lot here today, rereading some stories. i think the book my MIL just gave my dd got things stirred up in me... it has all these pictures from the hospital the night dd was born, and i'm not in any of them. that just breaks my heart.

anybody else get reminders of a negative birth experience like that?


Racheepoo~in response to your post about your dh... i think that in the case of birth it is so hard for men to relate to us that this sometimes puts us on opposite poles. in my case, dh didn't understand my feelings for sooo long regarding the birth. in yours, it sounds like he can't understand how you feel, and just zooms in on his own experience( i guess this is basically what my hubbie did just in a different way). but there is absolutely no reason for you to feel guilty and he should not make you feel bad for how things turned out. that is just selfish for him to do that! don't let him make you feel bad. you did your best and went through a rough time! hugs to you.
post #148 of 202
Hey rainbowmoon-glad to have you here. It's good to hear you are doing lots of self care. That is so important for new mamas. I agree its really weird that your mw would make such an innappropriate comment during labor. However, don't make yourself feel too bad about protecting your space. . .you were busy having a baby so your mind and body were focused on that process.
post #149 of 202
Bear with me on the links...I wrote my entire birth story out once and I will never do it again so I just link to it when I talk about it. My initial birth story was written here . Notice the brevity and lack of details (and honestly the complete denial of what had happened to me...the anger came about 3 months after birth). My full birth story is here .

So now Rhys is two years old and I am pregnant again. I am still anger (though I have managed to give myself a huge piece of the blame by now because I didn't tell ANYONE no!)

I didn't tell the midwife no I would like to wait when she scheduled my induction at 42 weeks. I found out when Rhys was 3 months old that induction is recommended but not required at 42 weeks. I could have gone to 43 weeks with little argument. Keeping in mind that Rhys due date was determined by dating us with no confirmation us so it was "soft" to begin with.

I didn't tell the doctor no when he decided to break my water. I didn't tell the nurse to f&*^ off even though I managed to express the sentiment to my husband, my mother and my MIL when they started parroting her sentiments.

Honestly I have always avoided this thread like the plague because I don't ever want another cesearean and honestly I figured this thread was pro-cesearean. Not sure why I poked my head in today but Kinsey's story in particular hit a cord with me so I am spilling my guts.

I am planning a homebirth vbac (if I go before 42 weeks). If I get to 42 weeks again I will be planning a hospital vbac. If I get to 43 weeks I may have to do some pretty fancy dancing to get the doctor to give me another week but presuming I get a good us with good fluid levels that is what my aim is. If I get to 44 weeks I am approaching the edge of my comfort level...I may agree to an induction with pitocin only without rupture of membranes so that if it doesn't take I still have the option to go home wait a few days and try again.

Before this current phobia about going over dates everyone in my family was at least 3 weeks late for every pregnancy. I think that some people just gestate for longer and I may be one of them (although there was some doubt that Rhys was actually late due to the fact that he was coated in vernix).

People have already mentioned Rhys' size as the reason he would not descend...sorry I don't buy it. Rhys wasn't ready to be born...period. My mother weighed in at 10 pounds 14 ounces when she was born (at home...postdates....to a first time mother). My grandmother is built much like I am in the hip area so if she could push my mother out I am thinking I should have been able to push Rhys out...of course I never even got the chance because the induction failed.

I might feel differently if I had been pushing for hours and hours but then it would still come down to my body not being ready due to the induction. Induction can't make someone ready who isn't (thus the increase in cesearean rates with women who are induced).

Do you know that not one person told me that being induced for a first baby raised my risk of cesearean to between 40 and 50%....grrr.

So this time I am being a complete PITA patient LOL. I am trying to set up my attack plan early so that I don't have many surprises (I discovered with Rhys' birth that I don't like things just "happening" to me so I need to plan for the good the bad and the ugly).

A friend of mine had an 11 pound 2 ounce vbac after having a cesearean for her first (who was around 9 pounds I believe)...man did that make me want to shout from the rooftops Of course I would prefer a 9 pounder though LOL...not holding my breath on getting a 7 pound peanut unless there is some serious deviation from the family trend LOL!

I truly believe that everyone women has to walk her own path to figure out what is best for her and her baby. I am not against ercs per say...just against ercs *for me* KWIM??

So what do you think...do I belong here?

Steph
post #150 of 202
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Originally Posted by tuffykenwell
So what do you think...do I belong here?
Steph ... yes, you belong here so . This is a place for anyone who has had a c/s (for whatever reason or lack thereof) to discuss their feelings, emotions, frustrations, etc. about their birth experiences. It is also a place for anyone who is contemplating an erc/s or who needs to have a c/s for other reasons (transverse presentation, placenta previa, for example) to prepare for that experience.

Not everyone here who had a c/s with a prior birth is planning a c/s with their subsequent births. Rather, everyone here is discussing what makes the most sense for them and sharing their feelings as they make and process those decisions. I am reminded that one of our frequent contributors appears to be in labor and is trying for a hospital VBAC right now. Another one of our frequent contributors recently chose to have an ercs. Both women made informed choices and both appear (so far) to be happy with their decisions. But they were free to discuss their feelings here about these births and about their prior c/s.

Anyway, I'm rambling on ... I will read your stories in a bit. I too have 2 stories -- the "real" one and the "denial" one. I think that's part of the healing process.

Amy
post #151 of 202
welcome steph!


read about kkmama on another thread! I hope all is well!

omg i can totally relate to the 2 stories!!! I am just now considering rewriting mine (for personal reflection). it's funny now that i've had time to think it through a thousand times, I remember things I did not remember then. I also believe I had some denial (at the time of birth and the few weeks after) but had decided at the time of my son's birth no matter what happened I was going to stay absolutley positive and deal with my stuff later on as to not bring down our birth experience and bonding as a new family. now the sh*t is hitting the fan so to speak.lol.

DH and I have started a list of stuff we'd like to avoid/do next time should we end up with another hospital birth. (we will be planning a VBAC at home) we have been having lengthy discussions about my c/b almost daily. i know it's been extremely emotional & exhausting for both of us but helping work through some issues. at first DH thought I was just totally *fine* he did not realize the emotional stuff would come out eventually. luckily he's a pretty understanding & sensitive guy, for that I'm thankful.

so how many of you had c/b's due to positioning I'm wondering? my babe was good sized (9.5oz) but was in a really bad position as he turned while starting descending and they could feel his ear when they checked me. I pushed for hours and he would move down then right back up as soon as I stopped pushing and was seemingly stuck. I had read optimal feotal positioning while pg but did not take it serious enough IMHO. I am now reading everything I can get my hands on now!
post #152 of 202
Rainbowmoon ... Henry was a peanut (6 lbs. 15 oz.) but was posterior. I couldn't push him past my pubic bone. But there are many more reasons for my c/b than that.

In other news ... dh seems to be coming around to the idea of an HBAC. I also finally got the guts to request my medical records from both hospital and OB. I'm really ready to dig into the nitty gritty of everything.
post #153 of 202
Actually to be totally honest the c-sect was the most humane part of my birth experience and what I am really angry about is everything that happened before I decided to have the c. Mine truly was unnecessary (it was a true failed induction...my body just wasn't ready to birth and even though I was "officially" 42 weeks plus 2 days my date was "soft" because it was based on a single early us. I found out after Rhys birth that single dating us aren't really that accurate (better to have a follow up a couple of weeks later if a dating us is really required...in my case I hadn't had a period in 3 months but I KNEW I wasn't 3 months pregnant).

At this point I have already stated that I don't think that another c-sect would be the worst thing...but I am worried about the implications of repeat c on my chances of conceiving and birthing additional children. I know some women have 4+ c's with absolutely no problems but I also know a dear friend who ended up with a 3rd surgery to correct adhesions after 2 c's who eventually went on to have a hysterectomy at 25 due to problems associated with her c's....that WOULD be the worst thing KWIM?? Problem is that you can't know before hand which person you will end up being (sometimes a crystal ball would be a really nice thing to have!)

Plus I want to experience that sticky newborn against my tummy. I want to be the first person to touch my babe (I'd actually like to catch ). Last time DH got to hold DS for 40 minutes while they were stitching me up...he looks back on that time with great fondness (and I am grateful that DH was holding him during that time and that DS wasn't hustled off to the nursery...actually my hospital only has an NICU so that wasn't a problem )

I get really irritated when people act like I am being selfish though...I am a research nut to be honest so for people to act like I am being reckless really ticks me off! ARGH!!!

I think I am toddling off to bed now LOL!

Steph
post #154 of 202
I've only read a couple of pages of this thread but I need to get this out.

I was lying awake in bed and getting so angry I had to come downstairs. DD is 7 1/2 months old, and I still get so worked up and angry over her birth. Everyone around me doesn't think I should feel that way. They give me platitudes about "at least she's healthy", etc. Even the LD nurse who's a friend of mine who was my nurse through my whole labor (extended her shift then stayed past it to see me through to recovery) doesn't get it.

I quite frankly feel like I was violated. I was caught off guard and told my DD was in trouble. I folded like a paper kite in a rainstorm. I read about these other births and how other moms went over 24 hours and did everything possible to avoid a C-sec and then got stuck with it anyway and I feel like such a loser.

I never wanted to see the inside of a hospital, but I couldn't afford a midwife, medicaid would only pay for a hospital birth. So I had my plan all laid out, written down, approved by my doctor (who was recommended by the midwife I couldn't afford). He seemed to have the right attitude, and everything went great, until I went postdate.

I jumped through hoops and showed up for monitoring every 3 days, which almost every time resulted in a trip to the hospital for a nonstress test because DD had a habit of knocking the monitor off when she moved.

All well and good, and I held him off for almost 2 weeks. I set the scheduled induction date for 42 wks 1 day, a monday, which was the latest the doctor would let me, and he wasn't happy about it, either. The preceding Friday I was at the hospital for yet another nonstress test.

DD passed but the doctor wanted me to stay and be induced anyway. If I hadn't been afraid of the resulting bill for leaving AMA (medicaid wouldn't pay for the test if I left AMA), I would have walked out of there. At the very least I would have gone home and gotten a shower and eaten a good lunch. By the time I was admitted it was one in the afternoon and I hadn't eaten since about seven thirty that morning.

We got to the LDR room and there was no shower. I was hot and tired and upset, it was 100 degrees outside and our car getting there had no A/C and I hadn't had a shower since midday the day before. So I cried, and the nurses comforted me. DH was gone, had gone to get my hospital bag and call my mom (she had to drive from TX to join us).

I don't think DD was ready. But there I was, after all my research on why I should avoid induction w/ pitocin, getting the stuff dripping into my arm.

I am stubborn. Even as things cascaded in the wrong direction I tried. I really did. I labored on the pit w/ no pain meds for 10 hours from when the contrax got going. (I'd had braxton hicks for quite a while, and was already dialated to 3 cm when I went in). They kept having to turn the pit down because DD's heart rate would drop after every contraction. The contractions would slow down, DD would do better, they'd turn the pit up, DD's heart rate would drop, etc.

Finally they said they'd probably have to do a C-sec. I was only 6 cm dialated and she wasn't handling the contractions. They said they could try doing an epidural, that it might make me relax and she might respond better, and if not I'd be ready for the C-sec.

I felt like such a failure, and that stupid needle hurt more than any of my contractions. Yet another intervention I didn't want.

Right after the epidural kicked in, meconium showed up in my waters (my water had broken some time before, but it gushed and gushed and gushed because I had a LOT of amniotic fluid, the reason the doc wanted to induce).

I just have this sure feeling that if I'd turned and run the other way and not let them induce me that day, I'd have gone into labor over the weekend and DD would have been fine.

So they took me in, I was shaking, spreadeagled, couldn't see anything... DH held my hand, a nurse told me to not try to stop shivering because that would just make it worse. I remember as they wheeled me in I asked the doctor to make sure he double stitched my uterus, because it would increase the chances of a successful VBAC. He commented that I must do a lot of reading, and that no one had ever asked him that before, then said he would.

I feel like I was violated...did I say that earlier? My DD wasn't born, my body was cut open and she was pulled out before she was ready. Due date notwithstanding, I really think she just wasn't quite ready and we tried to force it with the induction so she protested and was in distress.

So I feel like I was violated, and that it was in large part my fault, with DH no help. I'd have planned an unassisted birth if he hadn't been so uncomfortable with the idea.

And now I can't ever have a homebirth. We're unlikely to move away from here, and in AZ VBAC's have to be attended by a doctor through the whole thing. So not only did I blow my first birth, but subsequent ones are likely to go wrong and be stuck w/ a hospital setting, too. The best I can hope for is the one birth center in the Phoenix Metro area.

I'm mad at myself, at the hospital and their policies, and at my OB. I'm mad at the state medicaid program. I'm just so angry, I felt so helpless but that I should have done something differently anyway.

Well, this is already too long, so I'll just shut up, cry some more, and read the other posts on this thread.
post #155 of 202
Ravin,


I think it is good that you got that out. There are lots of mamas who post to these threads who feel much the way you do. We are all in different places with healing and acceptance, and we are all here to listen and support each other.

You have every right to be disappointed and all the other feelings you have are valid too. Your child is alive and well, yes, and thanks goodness, but you still have every right to your feelings surrounding the birth, take your time in healing, and let us help.
post #156 of 202
Ravin-- Your stopry sounds a lot like my own. It took me a year to accept my birth experience. I had done the reasearch but the induction was MY idea. Dh was leaving town and the ob was "guaranteeing" that I would go into labor that weekend. I had had prodomal labor for about 10 days not to mention the 3 false alrams and the preterm labor for weeks. But they induced me... they rated me high on that scale for induction success. I had the pit for 14 hours and my contrax were lasting anywhere from 45-60 minutes in length. The ob said I was bordering on uterine rupture. When they turned off the pit the contrax evened out but they insisted on turning the pit back up even though I was contracting fine

I ended up with the c/b. It was an ok birth. By the end of 14 hours i was ready to have that baby no matter what.

My point is that it takes time. Realizing that your pissed about it just makes it easier...well, not really easier but it makes it a reality you can work with.

ANyone heard from KKmama???
post #157 of 202
Ravin - I don't know the details of the homebirth situation in AZ. Are lay midwives legal? You might be able to find one who'd let you HBAC. My midwives here in Michigan do it all the time, but lay midwifery in MI is alegal, so they're not subject to rules like you mention.
post #158 of 202
How does one find out what the lay midwifery laws are in thier state? how would this apply to a lay midwife that is from another country? (ie;mexico) or an unnasisted birth?

I am in AZ also and am planning to HBAC with our next child, it is a decision I plan to stand firm on, regardless of the law.
post #159 of 202
sorry pressed send too soon...

Ravin- I'm so sorry mama i can relate to how you feel towards DH as our situation was very similiar. we had planned to UC but then DH got cold feet over the situation so we planned a birth center birth. I feel like i did it to please him and have alot of resentment over it now. I'm not blaming him for our c/s at all, but just wishing we had decided to do things differently.
post #160 of 202
tuffykenwell and ravin welcome.
tuffykenwell-ugh, your birth story mad me so mad and sad for you. I'm sorry you had such a horrible nurse. She certainly was not advocating for you. I also missed/mourn holding my sticky slimy baby on my sweaty chest after delivery.

ravin-PLEASE don't feel like a loser for not going longer. From what I understand pitocin induced contx are sooooooo much stronger and harder to handle than naturally induced contx. Makes sense doesn't it? I can't believe you labored so long without an epidural on pitocin.

Sorry for the cliche, but hindsight is 20/20. I say this because I have been beating myself up for things I did or didn't not do during my labor. I think is is beneficial to be reflective about our experiences but I'm trying really hard to not take all the blame or place it somewhere else. I have done lots of research since dd's arrival (I thought I had done tons beforehand) and I know of some things that could have been differently.

Rainbowmoon, my dd was acynclitic and posterior.

Also, I just wanted to mention that I've been reading about unassisted births. The stories have been helpful for me in gaining confidence in my body and ability to birth a baby. Reading about all this women delivering their own babies is so powerful. Lots of the sotries talk about how the women instinctivly knew what to do. I think that being under the care of someone else, an authority/expert, tends to detract from our ability to listen to and trust our instincts. Lots of our stories on this thread seem to illustrate these situations. i.e. tuffykenwell and ravin not thinking their bodies/babes were ready for inductions.

edited to add: I also feel like I didn't listen to my instincts. One example is that my mw kept wanting to break my bag since I wasn't dilating and dd wasn't coming down. I kept refusing feeling like I need the bag intact for some reason. Finally, I gave in and let her do it. In my reasearch since the birth I read that having an intact bag can help a posterior baby move into the correct birthing postition since it provides a bit of a cushion.
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