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Birth plan: I will labor as I want to and if I need your help, I'll ask (or you can offer but I might decline). There ya go! ;) I've birthed twice with this midwife already- we get each other. :) I did hire a birth photographer this time which I'm happy about - she is just starting out so she gave me a big discount- and she'd never done a homebirth so she is thrilled. 


I also will be bartering to get maternity/family pictures done with a friend in exchange for me encapsulating her placenta. Happy about that too.


And my best friend is throwing me a baby shower in November- so that's awesome. 


I sold a fair amount of my youngest son's nb-18 month clothes this week; so I guess we are done - this is our last. lol. 


Nesting already- trying to get lots of projects done but get tire easily. I deal with restless legs syndrome at night plus the cold and depression during the day (but thats getting better with supplements). Staying very busy- starting to try and expand my photography business, if anyone wants to like my new page it is "Kali Shanti Photography" on Facebook. Traveled this past weekend to one of my son's chess tournaments- he swept it, winning all his games and it put him at his personal goal of being an over 1000 rated USCF player (his goal was to be there by age 7, he is not quite 6.5 yet, so he's thrilled). 


I think I posted a 26 week picture a while back.. don't remember, lol. Here it is again.  I feel huge. I'm gaining like 4 pounds a week. That seems a ton!


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Originally Posted by birdhappy85 View Post

Hmm, I just posted something about pushing but it looks like it got lost in webland. I was wondering... What does it feel like to feel the "need" to push the baby out? I never had that sensation because my midwife just told me to go ahead and start pushing at 9.5 cm while she held the lip of my cervix aside. I was exhausted and only pushed cuz I was told I could. Not because I felt a need to. I'm kind of nervous about that part next time.

I only had the urge to push once with each baby.  Fortunately with the latter 2, it only took 1-2 pushes so no problem. With Avalon I had to force myself to push and it sucked.  For me, the urge to push felt like the need to bear down on a bowel movement.  I believe it's the muscle over the tailbone that, when pressed by baby's head, stimulates the urge.  So if baby is in a slightly "off" position or the tail bone is dislocated (as mine was) then the urge may not be triggered.  But when it was triggered it felt kinda like a huge involuntary kegel muscle contraction.

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Aw, so pretty Kali!  And congrats on your son's achievements!  That's amazing!! 

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Kali - Cute tummy!  I understand about not being able to keep up!


Joanie - The urge to push feels like reverse vomiting in a very intense sort of way.  Really, your body will expel the baby on its own if you wait long enough.  I understand forcing yourself to push though when you're exhausted and ready to be done.


I'm sure there are 20 new posts since I started typing this..

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Interesting... I got Sora out in 2 pushes too. Her head was perfectly shaped, not coned even a tiny bit, so I think that even though my midwife re-positioned the head midway through labor, Sora probably still wasn't pressing down in the best way for me to feel stuff "down there" like a need to push. It was just pure freakin' back labor. Of course, I felt the ring of fire while pushing. That was the extent of the feeling up in there.
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Kali, super cute tummy. I can't wait to hear your birth story in the nearish future too. And Abra, the reverse vomit comment got me ROFL. Wow. Pretty sure that will stick with me the rest of my life. LOL!
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Reverse vomit is probably the best description Ive ever heard!  That's exactly what its like.  Completely involuntary.  You HAVE to do it.  Which is why doctors and nurses asking patients to wait is laughable, and why my second daughter was delivered by the nurse who was trying to tell me not to push until the doctor got there :lol

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Who else here is still contemplating having more children? I have a feeling I'll be pretty alone in our group if/when the time comes that I go for another. So many of you are done! :-P Maybe Abra will sneak out another... Oh, and Katie will for sure have another once she's over this hump and probably be pregnant within the next 3 months, mark my words...
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I'm one who felt the urge to push before being dilated. All 3 times. Like trying to pass a bowling ball.
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My vagina will never be reverse vomiting anything again. Sorry, Joanie.

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I felt the urge to push at 9 cm both times. Well, more like I felt like my ass was going to explode a child out of me and there was no stopping it from happening. I told my midwife with Greta that I was either going to push or puke, both would accomplish the same thing, so just let me push dammit. So, she did. I had a stubborn cervix at 9 cm. my midwife said likely scar tissue from a cryo treatment I had done years ago.
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I didn't have the urge with Cyan, but I was exhausted so I started pushing anyway..  I pushed for 3 hours with him!   With both of the girls I didn't have any cervical checks, so I just waited until I needed to push, which happened quickly after transition.  Once I started transition O and C were born within 15 minutes.


We might have more kids, but not right now.  I flip flop on it all the time, I like the 3 kids that I have, but I also love babies, but then I'm also burned out of babies, but then I do like being pregnant, but then there are a lot of humans on this planet already, etc..  I do know that if I don't have any more bio kids that I will probably adopt at least 2 more.

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I always tell my clients it's like vomiting in reverse, lol. But not every wo an feels it. If second stage is forced (meaning, you push just because your OB says you are 10cm, time to go) or if baby is malpositioned, you may not feel the urge. Upright positions encourage pushing urge and help move baby own. Oftentimes posterior babies mam will feel pressure down there prematurely before cervix is ready to pass baby through. My first baby I did not feel urge and pushed for closet to an hour, purple pushing it was terrible. Last two babies I felt the urge, did slight bearing down until I was in the tub, then it was the reverse vo king thing an they were both born in a few pushes. Much much preferable. And no tearing on he last two.
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Just want to point out that the 10cm rule is really a myth anyway.  Many women are ready and able to push their babies out prior to dilating to 10cm.  The urge to push is almost always a fine indication of when the cervix is stretchy enough for baby to pass through.  And in fact, if the woman is forced to wait, other complications can occur.  I posted this forever and a half ago in our DDC: http://birthskirt.blogspot.com/2010/03/rule-of-10-versus-womens-primal-wisdom.html


ETA: huh, looks like the full article may have been removed... I'll search for it elsewhere...

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Yep, and also just because one is 10cm doesn't mean it's time to push either.
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Two hour nap. Bliss. 8 hours left, Layla...
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Kali, for SURE.  That was me with Avalon.  If only I had known I was in a latent period I could have told my midwife to give me a break.  Sigh...


Here's the article...

 The “Rule of 10” Versus Women’s Primal Wisdom
by Lydi Owen
© 2008 Midwifery Today, Inc. All rights reserved.
[Editor's note: This article first appeared in Midwifery Today Issue 86, Summer 2008.]

There is a rule of labor that forbids a woman to push with contractions until her cervix is completely
dilated to 10 cm. Women are warned that to push before this doorway is completely open and out of
the way will result in a swollen and/or torn cervix.
What will supposedly happen if the cervix swells?
Doctors, nurses, midwives, doulas and childbirth educators all warn that a swollen cervix will impede
labor and increase the chances of tearing the cervix, thus causing hemorrhage. They have been
taught that a swollen cervix is easily broken or pulverized. If this is indeed the truth, then why do most
women during labor have an irresistible urge to begin bearing down before dilation is complete?
Could it be that the instinctual wisdom of our bodies has become our enemy? Is Spirit trying to
destroy us instead of guiding us? Why would we feel the need to begin bearing down at 5–6 cm (or
sooner) if it would shatter the gateway to the baby’s outer world?
These were questions that I pondered as a midwife, as I watched woman after woman give birth in
the 1970s. Each of us struggled through the phase of labor when we wanted to push, but we knew
that we had to refrain from doing so because that was what we had been taught in childbirth
education classes. We had learned this from previous births in the hospital.
By what authority should we doubt the information given to us by the learned men and women of
Collectively, women decided that remaining passive during labor was better than risking injury or
death of themselves and/or their unborn babies by obeying “outdated” promptings of their bodies,
whose wisdom hadn’t kept up with science.
Could professionals be mistaken about when women can begin bearing down during labor, because
they forgot one simple part of the equation—that of observing non-medicated women in labor in their
natural habitats?
Remember this: People at one time believed that the world was flat. Dr. Ignaz Semmelweiss was
ridiculed until his death in 1865 for suggesting that germs were responsible for the widespread child
bed fever that killed an epidemic number of women simply because doctors didn’t wash their
How did this “Rule of Ten” come about?
In 1951 doctors Greenhill and DeLee wrote “During the first stage of labor no abdominal pushing is
allowed because the cervix will tear.”(2)
We can safely assume that the women being studied by Greenhill and DeLee were under the
influence of drugs, because in the mid-20th century the orgy of drug interference during labor and
birth was at its height of glory. Almost no women were informed enough to withstand the onslaught of
drugs given to them during birth in the hospital. Unfortunately, the situation has not changed in the
sixty years since.
Therefore, these doctors were scientifically incorrect in concluding that the “Rule of Ten” was valid,
without simultaneously observing a control group of drug-free laboring women in the upright position
(as opposed to being drugged and lying down in beds).
The only place that they would have been able to make these observations by comparison would
have been at homebirths. In the 1950s, homebirths were almost non-existent.
In the early part of the 1970s many American women, tired of being dominated by wrong medical
thinking, left the system and went home to birth their children. I was one of these women. That birth
led to my becoming a midwife.
The first time I witnessed the cervix miraculously responding to being pushed on at 6 cm dilation was
when a woman was giving birth to her third baby. Susan had a quick and easy labor. When she
reached 6 cm, she could not hold back from pushing. Her body gave her clear signals that it was time
for her to aid the uterus in the expulsion of her unborn child, himself pushing to be born. She began to
grunt and bear down involuntarily, making primitive animal sounds that emanated from deep inside
her throat.
I, supposedly the learned one, watched her break the cardinal rule in obstetrics. Aloud, I recited, “You
must not push. You’re not fully dilated. You can
tear or injure your cervix. Pant like a puppy!”
I was attending a lady in birth who had
previously given birth to five children in the
hospital. She wanted very much to try a
homebirth this time. I spent hours with her
explaining why it was okay for her to push before
ten. She was afraid of birth because her other
labors had taken such a long time and were very
painful, yet some part of her believed that she
could do it and do it well.
Despite her fear of pain, she called me when her
labor started and I drove to her home in the
middle of the night. She dilated quickly to 5 cm,
at which time she wanted to get in the bathtub in
warm water. She seemed to be handling the
contractions very well, just breathing in and
blowing out. I could tell by observing her that she
felt like bearing down, but she held back. I told
her it was okay to push a little if she felt like it,
but I could also sense that she didn’t trust that it
was really okay. She had consistently been
taught otherwise by her doctor, the nurses and
previous childbirth educators. After an hour in
the tub, Cathy asked me if I would check her
dilation, which I did. She was still at 5 cm.
Cathy moaned with disappointment, but got back
in the water and continued with her breathing in,
blowing out for another hour. She asked me to
check her again, certain that she must surely be
10 cm by now. The look on her face when I told
her that she was still 5 cm was one of
discouragement and hopelessness.
“Tell me what to do!” she cried, ready to let go of
She obeyed with difficulty.
After thirty minutes of this ridiculous scenario, I
checked her dilation again, hoping that she
would now be dilated to 10 cm so that I could
release her from her agony by giving her
“permission” to push. Horror upon horrors
greeted my fingers as I discovered that she was
still only 6 cm, but now her cervix was swollen
from not pushing.
She had several more contractions while I was
on the telephone (I was new at midwifery),
frantically calling midwives in another state
because there weren’t any in Las Vegas, for
advice on what to do about this “problem.” The
midwife I spoke to wasn’t any more experienced
than I was and apologized for not knowing what
to tell me.
While I was on the phone, Susan, tired of panting
like the puppy she wasn’t, finally just went ahead
and began pushing without my “permission.” I
threw down the telephone, rushed over and
quickly slipped on a sterile glove. As she pushed,
I felt her very puffy cervix, now 7 cm, slip over
the baby’s head. Out popped his little head, all in
one contraction.
Her cervix didn’t tear, the swelling subsided
immediately, and mother and baby were both
fine. Mom was no doubt relieved that she had
survived her well-meaning, but ignorant, midwife.
I went home thinking about that one, convinced
that we were just lucky that everything turned out
okay in spite of the fact that this woman ignored
science in favor of primal wisdom.
The next time I encountered a “defiant” woman
was soon after, when another woman went into
labor. Carol was expecting her second baby.
During active labor, at 4 cm—when her cervix was soft and stretchy—Carol squatted by her bedroom
door and hung onto the doorknob with both hands. She then began to bear down with each very
strong contraction.
“Oh, great, here we go again,” I thought as I advised her to desist from pushing.
Carol was less “obedient” than Susan had been and didn’t give ear to my dire warning. She just
grunted and pushed like an empowered woman, completely unafraid, and within 30 minutes dilated to
10 cm.
Her baby was fine, her cervix was fine, and this time I was fine. I now understood the power of
fearless women and the primal (of first importance) wisdom of our bodies.
As I attended more and more births, I learned that women could safely push during labor sooner than
what the textbooks claimed. However, the question wasn’t whether a woman pushed, but how and
the old rules and try something different.
“Are you ready to trust in yourself, Cathy?” I
asked her.
“Yes! Just help me please!”
I set up the birthing area on the floor (all the
women I help give birth on the floor) and
propped fat pillows next to the wall for shoulder
and back support. I laid out a plastic shower
curtain and plastic bed pads on top of it and then
asked Cathy to position herself on the floor. Her
husband held one leg and her sister helped hold
her other leg up while she grabbed underneath
her legs as the contraction started. I told her to
go ahead and push is she felt like it (she had felt
like doing so for two hours already, but didn’t
because of fear).
She began to grunt with the force of the
contraction and then back off a little to catch her
breath. She then grunted again, this time a little
harder, and then relaxed for another breath. She
did this three times during that one contraction.
When it was over, she smiled and said, “You’re
right. It doesn’t hurt as much when I push.”
She naturally pushed harder with the next
contraction as the baby began to rotate and
move down, the cervix yielding and slipping over
the baby’s descending head a little more with
each successive contraction. She gave birth in
twenty minutes to a healthy baby boy. She cried
out joyfully with tears of gratitude that it was over
and that she had done it so fast.
I spoke with her recently, ten years later after her
son’s birth, and she still enjoys talking about how
empowered that birth made her feel.
In my quest to “help” the next woman in labor with my newly discovered information, I wrongly
decided to “assist” her to dilate faster by massaging and stretching her cervix when she was 4 cm
dilated. What I didn’t yet understand was that the cervix has to be thin, soft and stretchy for this to
work and the woman has to be getting the signal to bear down of her own accord, not my good
intentions to help her get labor over with faster.
I ended up sending her into the hospital for “failure to progress,” when I caused the failure to
progress. I was embarrassed that I had prevented her from having a good homebirth just because I
was ignorant. I came to realize that I had much to learn about the different stages of labor from
observation of women in their natural habitats. What we have been taught about labor and birth in
medical textbooks comes from observation of medicated women in “laboratories” (hospitals), like mice
in cages. Observations of women lying in beds, laboring under the influence of analgesics and
anesthetics provide no real clue to the workings of the human body during labor and birth.
For decades women had been drugged during labor and put to sleep during the actual birth of the
baby, so I can certainly understand how the “Rule of Ten” must have come about. If a woman was not
dilated completely before the hands of the strong male doctor forcefully pushed, pulled and tugged
the sedated infant out of a limp body, then certainly the doctor could easily have torn her cervix with
his brute strength if it wasn’t completely out of the way (dilated to 10 cm). Gladys McGarey, MD,
writes in the Women’s Wellness section of Venture Inward’s November/December 2007 issue, “Let’s
respect nature’s wisdom…. Our job is to recognize and support the Divine order of things.”(3)
Dr. McGarey writes about the conditions of women in Afghanistan in 2005 as they gave birth to their
babies. The attendants didn’t understand the anatomy and physiology of labor and birth and therefore
used severe external pressure to deliver the babies. She also writes that this caused problems such
as ruptured uteri and bladders, leading to many maternal deaths.
In the US, in the early part of the 20th century, the “Rule of Ten” no doubt came about for that same
reason. Six to nine of every 1000 women died in childbirth in the early part of the 20th century.(4) If
the cervix is not out of the way when severe fundal pressure is used, it will act as a counter-force to
external fundal pressure and will inevitably result in either a torn cervix or uterus.
I have attended the labors and births of many, many Hispanic women. I have observed many friends
and family members of the laboring women who do not have any medical or anatomical knowledge of
the human body attempt to speed up labor in these same very unwise ways. I was attending a
laboring woman who was pregnant with her first child. She was handling the contractions like a pro,
but the labor was slow, which is normal for a first time mother.
Veronica preferred to walk during the contractions. Her cervix stayed at 4 cm for several hours (a
normal occurrence), but now her cervix was beginning to soften from the repeated contractions.
However, Veronica’s mother was getting impatient. As I had done in the past, she figured she would
help her daughter get this labor over with more quickly. From the grandmother’s point of view, she
was going to help get that big baby out of that small vaginal opening.
I had gone into the kitchen to get a drink of water when I heard Veronica let out an anguished moan
from the bedroom. Alarmed, I rushed into the bedroom to find out what was wrong. Veronica sounded
like she was in serious pain. I discovered that her mother was standing behind her with both her arms
wrapped around her daughter’s abdomen, pressing down as hard as she could on the top of
Veronica’s belly during a contraction.
Her mother believed that she was helping her daughter, but to me the way she was pushing on her
stomach looked barbaric. The grandmother did not understand that there was another doorway (the
cervix) inside her daughter’s body that had to open before the baby could be born through the exterior
doorway—the vaginal opening. In her simple, uneducated mind, she thought she was helping. She
did not know that she might tear the cervix by what she was doing because she didn’t even know that
there was such a thing as the cervix in the way. I knew better than to insult this grandmother by telling
her to stop doing that, so I just made eye contact with Veronica and motioned with my eyes that she
come into the other bedroom. Veronica kindly removed her mother’s hands from her belly and
followed me, telling her mother in Spanish that I was going to examine her.
Her mother was furious that she was unable to help her daughter the way she had been taught in the
small farm town in Mexico where she was born. She clearly considered me an ignorant intruder.
However, what she had been doing was dangerous. I wondered how many women and babies had
actually died from uterine ruptures in Mexico during labor and birth because of attendants who
unwittingly pushed on a mother’s uterus to “help” her, the same way they do in Afghanistan and did in
the US in the past.
Midwifery in itself isn’t dangerous. Midwifery without proper education can be dangerous in the face of
aggressive caregivers. Certainly we all need an understanding of anatomy and physiology to be
effective midwives.
However, rather than accepting the “Rule of Ten” just because it is written in a medical textbook, we
must question whether this rule is valid and examine how it came about, especially as we observe
multitudes of women wanting to push before they are completely dilated. For over a century, women
in the US have been conditioned to think that doctors are the experts. As a result, we have buried our
primal instincts somewhere deep inside our subconscious minds. Just telling a laboring woman that
she can trust her body won’t wipe away centuries of conditioning that it isn’t okay to do so without
scientific proof. Unless a woman has been raised on an island far from civilization, she will likely have
read or heard something that influences how she will give birth. Everything she has learned has the
risk of interfering with or empowering her to listen to and respond to her primal instincts during birth.
I believe that the scientific evidence for eliminating the “Rule of Ten” comes from page 171 of Helen
Varney’s Nurse Midwifery, where she describes what happens in the phase of maximum slope.(5)
First let me say that a non medicated woman will never push so hard against her undilated cervix that
it tears, because it will hurt. Pain is a natural deterrent to pushing too hard. However, when done in
the correct manner, pushing to help rotate a baby and dilate oneself will actually eliminate a great
deal of pain and cut hours off one’s labor and birth.
Women feel greatly empowered when they can merge with their contractions, unafraid, because the
pain diminishes as they do so and labor time is significantly reduced.
Stages of Labor
All textbooks define normal labor and birth as occurring in three stages: First stage is considered to
be from the start of active labor until complete dilation; second stage is the birth of the baby or the
pushing stage; third stage is the birth of the placenta.
The first stage of labor is further subdivided into the latent phase and the active phase. The active
phase is then further subdivided into three more phases: the acceleration phase, the phase of
maximum descent and the deceleration phase, also known as transition.
Yet, the same breathing technique is advocated for all the subdivisions of active phase and the “Rule
of Ten” is adhered to no matter what.
How much sense does that make? It’s like asking a woman sweeping the floor to breathe the same
way that a woman running a marathon would do, or like asking a man digging a ditch with a shovel to
breathe and blow instead of grunting as he throws a load of dirt over his shoulder.
I have frequently stated that most of the birthing women I have observed wish to begin pushing,
bearing down or grunting at 5–6 cm. This is because they have entered the phase of maximum slope.
According to Varney, three sequential phases of active labor were defined and described by Dr. E.A.
Friedman in 1978 in Labor: Clinical Evaluation and Management.(6) She states: “The phase of
maximum slope is the time when cervical dilatation is occurring most rapidly from 3–4 cm to about 8
This dilation averages 3 cm per hour in nulliparas. In multiparas, it averages 5.7 cm per hour. The
average maximum rate of descent in first-time mothers is 1.6 cm per hour and in multips it is 5.4 cm
per hour.
This means that for both primips and multips, doctors observed that women dilated rapidly from 4–8
cm in approximately one hour or so. The descent of the baby’s head in first-time mothers was
naturally slower than for women who had already given birth to other children vaginally. Can you
imagine the descent and dilation that occurs in women who give birth at home, who are walking
during labor and who are not medicated? Can you understand now why the rule needs to change?
The phase of maximum slope is defined as dilation occurring most rapidly from 4–8 cm dilation, but
my experience shows that it occurs most rapidly between 5 and 8 cm.
I believe that a Divine reason is behind the fact that the cervix stays at 4 cm for the majority of labor.
Each contraction starts in the top part of the uterus and spreads downward; it is stronger and persists
longer in the upper region. On reaching the lower uterine segment the contraction weakens
considerably, permitting the cervix to dilate. There is neuromuscular harmony between the upper and
lower segment throughout labor. The muscular fibers of the upper segment contract strongly and
retract (become progressively shorter), while the fibers of the lower segment contract only slightly and
dilate. As the upper segment contracts and retracts, the lower uterine segment has to “thin out” to
accommodate the descending baby. This continues until the cervix if fully dilated and the baby can
leave the uterus.
The upper segment increases in thickness up to four times, diminishing the uterine cavity
considerably where the baby is lying.(8) As this is happening, the lower segment becomes more and
more yielding to the pressure of the baby’s head against it. This is why at 5 cm, the cervix is usually
so stretchy and thin that it can no longer hold back the flexing, rotating and descending baby.
Because of Divine design, as the uterine cavity itself diminishes in size due to the increased thickness
of the upper segment and the increased thinness of the lower segment, the baby is protected from
strangling on the cord because his position relative to the cord and placenta does not change as he
drops farther and farther into the pelvis. Many babies get wrapped in their cords before birth. If this
decrease in size of the uterine cavity didn’t take place, the baby could easily strangle in the umbilical
cord during labor and birth.
When the baby has reached its maximum descent before complete dilation (8 cm), the mother enters
the deceleration phase. This phase is the end of the active phase. Dilation now temporarily slows. At
this point, many mothers wish to lie down and rest, or get onto hands and knees to complete dilation.
Many mothers I have observed have to rest for only a few minutes before the cervix relaxes and the
mother feels like pushing again. The cervix can no longer withstand the pressure of both the baby and
the mother’s pushing efforts and relinquishes its hold on the baby.
In summary, after decades of believing the “Rule of Ten” to be gospel truth, many women have
difficulty letting go of false beliefs. We will take a while before we again trust our primal wisdom.
However, when we do, I truly believe that the cesarean rate will drop dramatically.
One of the main reasons for cesareans is because of slow labor; yet labor is often slow because of
the rules we have made.
Lydi Owen is the mother of six, grandmother of six (another on the way) and great-grandmother
of four. She has practiced midwifery for 36 years and helped over 2600 babies into the world. She has
written three books, produced a DVD and is founder of the nonprofit Association for the Prevention of
Maternal Attachment Disorders. Her Web site is www.powerbirth.com.
1. www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol7no2/cover.htm. Accessed 13 Feb 2008.
2. Greenhill, J.P., and J. DeLee. 1951. The Principles and Practice of Obstetrics, 10th ed.
Philadelphia: WB Saunders.
3. McGarey, G. 2007. Venture Inward. Virginia Beach, Virginia: Association for Research and
Enlightenment, Inc., November/December.
4. “Achievements in Public Health, 1900–1999: Healthier Mothers and Babies,” MMWR, 1 Oct
5. Varney, H. 1980. Nurse Midwifery. Boston: Blackwell Scientific Publications.
6. Friedman, E.A. 1955. Primipara Labor Curve. Obstet Gynecol 6: 569. Cited in Varney, p. 170.
7. Varney, p. 171.
8. Buhimschi, C.S., et al. Myometrial thickness during human labor and immediately post
partum. Am J Obstet Gynecol 188: 553–59; Myles, M. 1981. Textbook for Midwives, 9th ed.
New York: Churchill Livingstone.



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Good info to have, Jaimee. Very interesting.
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Well I never knew that. Very good to know! Something else interesting my sister told me about is that she had breaks in between pushes because her contractions never got closer together than 4-5 minutes apart. I was so mad at her when she told me that. LOL. Mine were one on top of the other, the furthest apart being 1 minute at that point. I mean for real, my contractions were 1.5 mins apart for a good few hours leading up to pushing. FML.
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Originally Posted by birdhappy85 View Post

Well I never knew that. Very good to know! Something else interesting my sister told me about is that she had breaks in between pushes because her contractions never got closer together than 4-5 minutes apart. I was so mad at her when she told me that. LOL. Mine were one on top of the other, the furthest apart being 1 minute at that point. I mean for real, my contractions were 1.5 mins apart for a good few hours leading up to pushing. FML.


Yes, I had back-to-back contractions for HOURS.  I remember I had 2 5-minute breaks in 2 hours of nonstop contractions.  I was truly in agony.  I started pushing at 9.5cm, too, there was no holding back.

And yes I definitely want more babies after we get through this brutal time, but don't know how soon - I want to wait a bit b/c my sister is getting married next August and I don't want to be due till significantly after then, if I'm lucky enough to get pregnant again soon-ish.
Oh yeah, and my little sister's fiance... is my husband's little brother! How cool is that?!?
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