Originally Posted by teacozy
Yeah, the examiner isn't the best source. In any case, as explained in one of the examples in the article, I have little doubt that if there were an outbreak of smallpox or diptheria in the US that there would be mandatory vaccination or mandatory quarantines. It's totally possible depending on how big of an outbreak there was.
It still doesn't make a case for Offit arguing that adults should be forced against their will to get vaccinated. I posted part of this earlier (and it's not just a case of "they say this is what he said", he actually states this in his book) and in it he argues that he believes a big part of why the anti vaccine movement started was because of compulsory vaccination. He actually believes that making vaccines compulsory makes people band together against them more. Which is why I said I had never heard that he believes that adults should get vaccinated against their will, he has actually stated and argued the exact opposite in his book Deadly Choices: How the Anti-vaccine Movement Threatens Us All.
"Although it’s not new news, in the context of tracing the origins of the modern anti-vaccine movement Dr. Offit convincingly demonstrates that one of the consequences of the Vaccination Act of 1853, which made vaccination against smallpox mandatory for infants. In 1867, 1871, and 1873, followup acts were passed that made vaccination compulsory. During this same time period, resistance to vaccination increased, with rallies, protests, and increasing civil disobedience.
In contrast, Dr. Offit convincingly argues that mandatory vaccination, which is what we have in the U.S., is far more effective. Mandatory, in contrast to compulsory vaccination, requires vaccination as a precondition for using certain public services, specifically the public schools. The message is that you don’t have to vaccinate you kids if you really don’t want to. "
What you clearly lack is the understanding to the FACT that when you do not allow parents to have exemptions, and he clearly DOES NOT favor exemptions aside from medical (and the medical has been pointed out VERY clearly that it is NOT as exemption that parents can take freely) he (Offit) reduced the ability of parents to have a choice, thus it is compulsory/mandatory! IF you take away exemption (and again, like he is advocating within the state of PA where he wrote the article calling for the repel of the religious exemption, it becomes compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! You DO NOT have a choice except to get a medical exemption, no matter how you want to spin this, it is compulsory baring an exemption.
You don't have A CHOICE, all children within in PA must have COMPULSORY education and thus must be vaccinated or file an exemption, there are ONLY 2 in PA - ONE is medical, ONE is religious 2-1=1 it's super simple math take away religious exemption and you are FORCED as a parent- it's very simple here tea, very very simple, it's all out FORCE
This really is simple, I can homeschool, my child DOES NOT get ANY public services, I don't get this "choice" you seem to keep quoting (and you must believe it too???) that somehow it changes the definition of words and that I get some choice to not vaccinate and it's only somehow "mandatory" when I have precondition for using certain public services, specifically the public schools !
And by the way, just because you keep repeating something, it doesn't make it TRUE - same way the definition of what compulsory and mandatory REALLY mean also does not change because you want to read into something it clearly does not mean.
Originally Posted by teacozy
Also Serenbat, I'd like some evidence that Paul Offit doesn't get vaccinated according to the recommended adult US schedule himself. Since you stated "every adult but himself" I'd like to see some evidence that supports that claim. Unless he has some sort of medical condition I am not aware of, I would find it very surprising if he recommended vaccines that he refuses for himself.
do you know how to use the "quote" button?
Since you stated "every adult but himself" I'd like to see some evidence that supports that claim. - where do you think I wrote this quote "every adult but himself"?
Clearly you read only what suites you - if SOMEHOW you took post #99 to mean something it doesn't - go right a head and keep thinking that way!
He clearly is pushing vaccines, he doesn't support a delay or selective schedule, he wants religious exemptions done aways with, he wasn't adults vaccinated (he has pushed for that in the hospital where he works) what he can't DO is push it (right now!!) on adults 100% and he knows it - it's called MONEY and there is no way to push it and get the funding for it - just look at medicare - they only pay for 3 vaccines, he's in the clear with himself because he can say what he wants but no law requires him to do what he is asking of others (maybe that is the part you have so much trouble with-----he can say lots of things, others can say things about what he says - like what you like to post, not all of what he says are LAWS........yet) you do know what laws are? they are enforceable - like in the PA law I posted about exemptions - do you need to see more, there are actually three sections if you don't know about the PA vaccine law and children I can post more into?