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"The problematic privilege of being anti-vaccine" and the New Mommy Wars

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

I came across this blog post last night...

 

http://www.rageagainsttheminivan.com/2013/08/the-problematic-privilege-of-being-anti.html


She says

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Next week, I’m partnering with a campaign to give vaccines to children who are at risk of preventable diseases. I’m going to write a post for them here, and then they are going to give a vaccine to a child for each comment on that post, so stay tuned.

 

 

(Hopefully the link stayed there so you can click and see what this campaign is all about.)

 

The author attempts to remain neutral, to play nice, to affirm that she understands non-vaxxing parents concerns, though she does pull out the polio pictures for a nice affect. So I am thinking, and several commenters were too, why, if vaccines are the greatest form of health care this world has ever seen and they are needed so badly, is she and this campaign and the other bloggers they've gotten on board, playing this little donation game??? That makes no sense. If you have the money and ability to give a child life saving medicine you give it to them. If a boat capsized and several children were in the water and you had the chance to save them, you don't wait on the shore until people have voted on how many to save!!!

 

But here is thing, I don't think it is about giving children vaccines. I mean, I am sure that is what it is about for this blogger. I am not doubting her intentions, but I don't think that is what this campaign is about. I think it is about using social media to shame and bully non-vaxxing families, to start more mommy wars for the sake of getting us to comply via peer pressure and emotional pleading. I have seen more bullying with regards to non-vaxxing in the last three months than in the last 13+ years that I've been a parent. 

 

And people are mean. I have seen multiple people in the last week shaking their cyber fists and telling those of us who don't vaxx that they can't wait until we or our child get a vaxx-available disease and that when we do they will laugh and not help because basically we deserve it. (This was NOT here in Mothering.) Wow! Really??? Because if your child has a vaxx reaction and you are left dealing with the after effects, I have no plans to say, see I told you so and jump up and down with glee. I plan to help you and be compassionate and if you want to talk about vaxxes later, sure we'll talk and there won't be any blame games going on. Sheesh!

 

Thoughts?


Edited by fruitfulmomma - 9/12/13 at 7:29am
post #2 of 29

I agree with you about the purpose of the campaign.

 

As for people who would actually  take delight (and are admitting it!!) in a child being harmed by ANYTHING just for the sake of being able to feel justified in their beliefs highlights just how ignorant and mean-spirited (and dare I say what a basically rotten human being) they are. And I'd also venture to say they are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch because really even if a person is a sicko (and IMO delighting in the harm of children is sick), you'd think they wouldn't advertise to the world just how much of a sick freak they are!!

post #3 of 29

I had to stop reading the comments - so ignorant! People nicely dancing around the fact that kids are injured by vaccines "but you did the right thing for the greater good".  Blood boiling!  My daughter had horrible vaccine reactions and I will no longer vaccinate, yet some of these people would stand there and tell me that her issues aren't really a concern because she's doing her part for herd immunity. banghead.gif   Yah ok.  You can't apologize then follow it with a *but* statement!  Rather than focus on vaccinating these poor individuals with no clean water and food, why can't the pharm giants be proactive and provide access to cleaner environments to promote health?  Sorry, wishful thinking here...

post #4 of 29

I read the article.

 

It had 2 major points:

 

1.  Not all parts of the world have as low a disease incidence and access to health care as wealthier parts of the world.  This is true, unfortunate, and does not affect my decisions around vaccination in a wealthy country.  It reminds me of the "eat you vegetables - children in China are starving!" story.  How is eating my vegetable going to help them?  It is not.  

 

2.  The rest of her argument was classic herd immunity nonsense.  I have ranted about the ethics of herd immunity enough, so I will skip the monologue.  Suffice to say, I find the self-congratulatory, and self-righteous attitude of those who are happy to be contributing to herd immunity off-putting.  If their child has a severe vaccine reaction the smugness will poof, and I bet some will be ashamed that they used to invoke a doctrine (herd immunity) that puts society ahead of individual children.  

 

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post #5 of 29

If kids in third world countries are vulnerable to disease due to the lack of clean drinking water, proper sanitation, and nutritious food... maybe we should endeavour to give them those things, instead of vaccinations? Otherwise they are still sick and hungry, whether they have polio or not.

post #6 of 29

I wonder whether the commenters to that article have their own vaccinations renewed, say, every ten years to keep up the herd immunity.Why is the onus on young children and their parents (the latter with presumably out of date jabs) only?

post #7 of 29

Since I'm not an American, this means something different to me. It is very sad indeed that we need to be "buying" kids basic health care one vaccine at a time. Life-saving vaccines, and other care, should be available to all humans, paid for by our taxes. That is how we help each other as a human race. It's a small price to pay, and it makes the world happier and less miserable for everyone.

 

I think people should be fighting with everything they have to implement and maintain a universal health care system in all countries. That is what strikes me the most when I read this article.

post #8 of 29

While universal healthcare is a noble thing, the concern I have about it in the US, given the influence of big pharma and the current public health paradigm, is that it will be a fast track to mandatory vaccination. No vaccines. No healthcare. Essentially a medical police state.

 

For the non-vax, pro-choicers here, I thought this fictional short story by Jon Rappaport ominous, indeed.

 

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/priests-in-white-coats-kill-a-baby-of-the-state/

post #9 of 29
Yikes... National Health Care= Medical Police State?? I certainly hope not! Despite all of the flaws, medicine does have a place in our society. Everyone should have access to or the opportunity for health care of their choice, including the right to refuse it!
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
 

While universal healthcare is a noble thing, the concern I have about it in the US, given the influence of big pharma and the current public health paradigm, is that it will be a fast track to mandatory vaccination. No vaccines. No healthcare. Essentially a medical police state.

 

For the non-vax, pro-choicers here, I thought this fictional short story by Jon Rappaport ominous, indeed.

 

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/priests-in-white-coats-kill-a-baby-of-the-state/

Agreed. And that story, while fictional, is absolutely terrifying - one of my worst nightmares.  That I would literally have to fight for the right to make decisions as a free individual. Of course I've already told DH we would have to leave the country were that the case, I just couldn't stand to live somewhere that thinks they own my body.

post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Yikes... National Health Care= Medical Police State?? I certainly hope not!

 

While it may not be the law, families who are on Medicaid have reported being told that they *must* vaccinate by the care providers seeing their children.

post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
 

While universal healthcare is a noble thing, the concern I have about it in the US, given the influence of big pharma and the current public health paradigm, is that it will be a fast track to mandatory vaccination. No vaccines. No healthcare. Essentially a medical police state.

 

For the non-vax, pro-choicers here, I thought this fictional short story by Jon Rappaport ominous, indeed.

 

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/priests-in-white-coats-kill-a-baby-of-the-state/

 

That short story by Jon Rappaport is not so far from the truth, as we know from the case in Hershey, PA, where Scott and Jodi Ferris's newborn baby was forcibly taken away and Jodi was kicked out of the hospital within hours of giving birth BECAUSE Jodi did not consent to giving her baby the hepatitis B vaccine.  

http://archive.recapthelaw.org/pamd/88588/

 
It has already happened.
post #13 of 29

Perhaps with a blog like this, a ton of us whose children have been vaccine injured (who seem to flock to this site for support) should 'blog bomb' those blogs/articles with our stories.  Our truths are a difficult thing, for a person who sees this as a 'choice', to contend with. Maybe when someone posts an article here, we can each go and post our horror stories or our reasoning for not vaxxing there.  

Haters be damned!!

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by MichelleZB View Post
 

Since I'm not an American, this means something different to me. It is very sad indeed that we need to be "buying" kids basic health care one vaccine at a time. Life-saving vaccines   and other care, should be available to all humans, paid for by our taxes. That is how we help each other as a human race. It's a small price to pay, and it makes the world happier and less miserable for everyone.

 

I think people should be fighting with everything they have to implement and maintain a universal health care system in all countries.

I agree (save for crossed out part :wink)

 

There are countries that have universal health care and do not have mandatory vaccines.  Canada and Great Britain come to mind, although there are others.

 

That does not mean the US could, though, at this point.  I find that quite sad.  I don't really know.  I do not have the sort of knowledge of the USA one gains from living in the country. 

 

I also wonder (and this is not about anyone on this forum) if some who do not want universal health care (wealthy tea party types, perhaps?) use fear of vaccine being mandatory to keep people against universal health care?  Is there a line where universal health care, vaccine and politics intersect?

post #15 of 29
Kathy, I am not against universal healthcare at all. I grew up in the UK and really appreciated the NHS - I would love to have that here in the US. But given the way things are heading here in terms of health freedom, I worry about that the system could be used to limit our choices even more.
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post

Kathy, I am not against universal healthcare at all. I grew up in the UK and really appreciated the NHS - I would love to have that here in the US. But given the way things are heading here in terms of health freedom, I worry about that the system could be used to limit our choices even more.

Most people who grow up with universal health care really appreciate it - this does not surprise me.

 

I think you probably have a unique voice - a Brit in the USA.  

 

I just wish vaccines were not political.  If wishes were horses.....

 

Perhaps the USA has other issues to fix before it considers universal health care (i.e the health paradigm/Big Pharm influence you mentioned earlier?)  OTOH, if you wait until everything is fixed before you act you could wait forever.

 

For what it is worth, I wonder if a small part of the reasons vaccines are not mandatory here is because they are funded?  When I do not vax, I save the state some money - and on some level both taxpayers and the state probably like that, lol.  

 

I write this post and the last one somewhat tentatively. I am not American, I don't live there - my opinions can really only be that of an outsider (although sometimes outsiders can still notice useful things).  

post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 

Gentle reminder that this was posted in the I'm Not Vaccinating board, and as such, is a support-only topic, so I am not really interested in discussing how we can make sure that all children have access to vaccines. Also, pretty sure the vaxxes from this program are being given out in 3rd world countries. The lowest-income families in America have access to Medicaid and can receive all vaxxes through that program.

 

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That short story by Jon Rappaport is not so far from the truth, as we know from the case in Hershey, PA

I skimmed the story, but that was exactly what I was thinking. Also, another family lost their baby, Ian, after a routine Hep B shot in the hospital. bawling.gif

post #18 of 29

A lot of babies have died after routine hep B vaccination.  There's a chart floating around the internet that shows how risk for SIDS spikes after vaccination visits.  Can anybody find it?

post #19 of 29

Well, here in Germany we also have a universal health care system. In recent years though costs have increased while care has decreased. Yet more and more vaccines are being recommended and these costs are covered under the general health insurance. At present they are having a debate about mandatory MMR shots since there have been a few measles cases this year. So I am very much on edge about that. It used to be no problem not to vax but docs, schools etc. are getting more and more restrictive about that here as well. With my DD1 now in Kindergarten, I had no problem there. We will see what is yet to come.

post #20 of 29

I just read the John Rapport story and it reminds me of what goes on here in TX. I was just notified by my doula that the hospital is required to report you to CPS for not vaxing and not given the eye drops. The hospital birthcenter I am using routinely doesnt report on parents but my doula is fearful they are about to get in trouble for that. I have already had a CPS case against me because I was breastfeeding over a year... Scary what the government can do to "force and issue"

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