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post #41 of 68

I have tried to be vegan, but after about day 5, I feel sick and nauseated.  

post #42 of 68
Why not?

My family doesn't want to go vegetarian.  Even if I was into to it I don't want to spend the emotional energy it would take to gradually teach them and show them it can be done, and keep it up until they get into it.


Meat is easy to cook.  Someone a couple weeks ago said meat is harder to cook than veggie dinners.  The opposite is true for me.  Putting together a nutritious, tasty meatless meal (and that doesn't rely on a lot of cheese to make people happy) is more time consuming and difficult than throwing some meat into the same dish. 


We do go meatless a day a week or so.  And I get a weekly produce box delivered. Our consumption of fruits and veggies went up when I started that. 

post #43 of 68

I was vegan and vegetarian for years and I felt like I was ALWAYS dissatisfied. I grazed and grazed and I still just "wanted something." I thought those were issues around poor food habits, but when I started eating meat I instantly felt satisfied. Plus, now that Im not vegetarian, I eat so much less processed food. And, I've lost a ton of weight in the past few months by cutting out most grains and dairy. Meat and veggies make me feel healthy and keep me from filling up on stuff that isnt as good for me. I still eat about 1 serving of dairy a day and 1 serving of grains of legumes, but other than that its primarly veggies, meat, and nuts. I eat so much less than I did when I was veg. 

post #44 of 68
I have gone vegetarian a number of times in my life and it's always health reasons that bring me back to eating animal proteins. The most recent time being the past year ending about a month ago. I don't like the way animals are treated commercially and worry about what is making it into our bodies through their feed and care. But I became anemic in about 3 months this past time and even with liquid iron and Vit B supplementation I struggle to stay healthy. Additionally, my IVF nurse and doctor showed me stats on animal protein helping to support estrogen absorption. Now I just do my best to buy from whole foods and get the top animal welfare rating I can.
post #45 of 68

Because bacon is soooo good!!!!



But seriously, I feel we were made to be omnivores and local sourced meats give my family better nutrition.  

post #46 of 68

I recall being satisfied with a meal of tofu and vegetables before i ever experienced pregnancy. I ate red meat maybe once a month-i seemed to feel the need for  it around menstruation, maybe it was the iron. I would quite happily have become a complete vegetarian. But...when i became pregnant, i HAD to have meat, or i wasnt satisfied. Now, 9 years later,  having been pregnant 3 times, and nursed almost continually in that time,  i need at least one meal a day with animal protein. Ive come to realize that chicken is the only meat that really satisfies.  I like fish, red meat i think is difficult to fully digest..


Put it this way, without animal protein, i feel weak and hungry, and feel my health deteriorating.

post #47 of 68

As for being vegan, i practically lived on eggs in my pregnancies.  I dont know how i would have done without them had i been vegan. I respect vegans alot though.

post #48 of 68

I was a vegetarian for 6 years. I stopped around the same time I decided to convert to Judaism. Its really really difficult to observe Passover as a vegetarian. 

I've been tempted to go back, however, my daughter has developed a dairy allergy and there's no way i'd be able to pull that off. I used dairy as my main protein "back in the day" 

post #49 of 68

After several years as a vegetarian (almost vegan), I had terrible acne, digestive problems, depression, and no periods for months. Within a few weeks of just adding in full fat yogurt and eggs and eliminating soy, I ovulated and continued to do so. And I started to feel a lot better. This was as I was being diagnosed with Graves' disease (autoimmune hyperthyroidism) but before I even started medication. During the time I was on medication (10 months), I did a test that showed I was highly reactive to gluten and dairy. Graves' has never came back, and I went on to conceive on the first try twice and have healthy pregnancies. I still have lingering issues from a lifetime of being undiagnosed celiac, and, I think from being terribly depleted in my adrenals due in part to my vegetarian diet. There were other factors, too, but eating a ton of processed soy was clearly no good (!), and eating little to no fat for so long was a real problem from which I think I'm still recovering. No one diet is perfect for everyone, but I do have concerns for the future health of vegetarians and vegans. Sometimes it takes a while for the long-term effects to settle in. I wish I had figured it out earlier!


I have a longer post about this at http://crunchychewymama.com/index.php/why-im-not-a-vegetarian-anymore/

It's a great question! Thanks for asking!

post #50 of 68

JudiAU, what is CAFO meat?


Like VocalMinority, my family abstains from meat on Fridays for religious reasons. Our Lord Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself for us on the cross, and we make a little sacrifice (not eating meat) out of love for Him and obedience to His Bride, the Church. My husband and I converted to pre-Vatican II (traditional) Catholicism, in which we don't eat meat on Fridays throughout the year, not just Lent. My husband prefers a cheese pizza on Friday nights and when it's a special occasion, like we're with his parents or going out to eat, we'll have seafood.


I've been told I have anemia and while I don't eat steak, I think eating ground beef and chicken probably helps me be healthy, in addition to supplementing with iron-rich blackstrap molasses almost daily.


I've heard that we need to eat fat in order to lose fat, which I would like to do in order to not look pregnant while I'm not, and I agree with people who say meat tastes good. Certain vegetables taste good and certain meats taste good, and they taste so much better together!


I've enjoyed reading this discussion. I second the thanks for asking. :)

post #51 of 68

Have you read the book "Metabolic Typing"? The author, a physician goes into a lot of detail why some folks function better with meat and others do not. For me, a modified vegetarian diet works the best. I get my protein from eggs and dairy primarily with some from fish. Other sources of animal protein sap my energy.


I know you can derive high quality protein from certain insects, but just haven't been able to bring myself to go that route. Besides, what would my pet spider say if she saw me dipping into her fare?

post #52 of 68

Just make sure that chicken is hormone and antibiotic free.

post #53 of 68

I am not a vegetarian or vegan because:

1. After years of trying to be "healthy" and "food conscious" by substituting some meat and dairy in my diet with soy-based products, I took a doctor's suggestion to eliminate them for a couple weeks to test whether that would resolve my persistent irritable bowel symptoms, and it worked beautifully. Also, I am allergic to tree nuts. So two of the most easily accessible categories of protein sources (at least in the US) for vegetarians/vegans are unavailable to me. 

2. I believe that humans are part of the animal kingdom, and eating other species/animal products is no more immoral for us than it is for lions and tigers and bears. However, I also believe that we have a strong responsibility to raise the animals we eat in dignity and respect them as valued members of the food chain. So whenever possible, I use this philosophy in choosing the farmers and ranchers who supply my meat and dairy. 

Edited by Sphinxy - 10/4/13 at 8:07am
post #54 of 68

I've been living without eating animals for so long I've heard all these common responses. It was just so self congratulatory (I'm doing what 94% of the population is doing! Let's talk about why we're part of the overwhelming majority!). And, it's shocking in a community like Mothering. A place where people are supposed to be more aware of how their choices affect the planet. It was just stunning. I did share facts that ARE irrefutable. 10 BILLION land animals (not including sea animals) are raised and slaughtered in the US every year. Eating animals and animal products contributes the largest share of greenhouse gas emissions on this planet. More than all transportation (cars, planes, ships, trains) combined. And that has been verified by two UN reports. Which is why when that report came out the news headlines were about how eating vegan and driving a hummer had a smaller carbon footprint that someone who eats meat but uses a bicycle. 


Since 97% of meat, milk, and eggs comes from factory farms, there is zero chance everyone on this thread is sourcing all their animal products form "sustainable" resources. It's not sustainable in any fashion to continue to consume these resource-heavy foods with the current population size. The amount of water used to create one pound of meat could be used to create 16 pounds of grain. 


I was being flippant because most people are horrified at the idea of eating cats and dogs, but chickens, pigs, and cows are no different. They are just as, if not moreso, intelligent, emotional, and social. It's complete social conditioning that we choose to eat certain animals and love others. Just as an overwhelming majority eat animals and animal products, an overwhelming majority believe there should be laws to protect animals, even farm animals. As a species, we don't enjoy seeing others suffer. We care about animals and don't want to hurt them. So I know that most people want to do what is kind, but aligning those values with the actions that will show kindness to animals is a step that is difficult for some. 


This thread probably knew all of the important points about why eating animals is not sustainable or ethical, which is why they reached out to a community to affirm their continued desire to eat animals despite this knowledge. In a world that is built for people who eat animals, the only reason someone would need to hear other's affirmations is because they are questioning it themselves. Which, obviously, was my chance to be compassionate and kind and try to share the scientific evidence that humans not only thrive on a plant-based diet, but many of the major illnesses in this country are caused by and/or exacerbated by eating animals. But, I'm not perfect. I'm a mother who was up at 5. If you can watch this video from start to finish and still want to talk, that would be amazing: http://www.mercyforanimals.org/farm-to-fridge.aspx

post #55 of 68
birdie - You think you were the only mother on mothering up at 5am? Fat chance. I was up at 3, 4, and 5 with contractions. Everyone can point to a reason why they're tired, but that's no excuse for your tone. Your anger prevents people from taking you seriously. I am sick of being lectured by people who have decided that they know what is best for everyone else. You are surprised not to find more like minded people on mothering? I am surprised to find someone so judgemental of others' choices. Make the best decision for you and your family, and lay off the rest of us. I have no desire to be slave to someone else's ideal image. I'm not being self-congratulatory, I'm being realistic. I sleep fine at night eating meat. If you don't, well, then I'm glad I'm not you. You aren't doing yourself or the planet any favors by walking through your days in judgement of me.
post #56 of 68

I didn't say I wasn't the only one up at 5. Just saying, I could have been nicer and SHOULD have been nicer (and you can't honestly say you met me with kindness and compassion, right? We all get a little heated sometimes). But I'm not perfect (I've said that twice now). I also never said I was surprised not to find more like minded people on Mothering. I think if we were in the same room, you and I would have loads in common. And, as I mentioned before, I bet you don't enjoy seeing animals suffer. It's not that I think people who eat meat, milk, and eggs are horrible people. I wasn't born vegetarian, and I never thought I was horrible when I ate meat, milk, and eggs. People I love dearly eat all sorts of animals right in front of me. I don't live in a bubble of only vegetarians. But, it just seemed like a crunchy community that was thoughtful about their impact on the environment would know more. It seems common knowledge to me that meat is a resource-intensive industry. Clearly that's not true and most people, even well informed people, are just learning about it. 


Also, sharing information about the factory farm industry is not the same as making an argument that I know what is best for everyone else. That's Congress' job ;)


I hope this riled you up enough to get those contractions going faster. Even though your post was a little mean, I can't help but be elated for you and the journey you're about to begin with your little one. 

post #57 of 68

I was a vegetarian for many years in my 20's and 30's and when I got pregnant I found myself feeling REALLY tired often.  I started tracking my diet closely and realized many days I was coming up short on protein for a pregnant woman.  I started eating meat occasionally while I was pregnant and then when I was nursing I was just sooooooo ravenously hungry all the time I just never went back to my veggie ways!  We still don't eat much meat, maybe 2 or 3 times a week but I find I feel better when I do eat meat occasionally and I personally feel it's important for toddlers (I know it's POSSIBLE to raise a healthy vegan/vegetarian baby, I just find it much more difficult to ensure my picky little guy gets enough protein/iron without feeding him some chicken every once in a while) so we have just stuck with it.


Ironically, my son was dairy intolerant until he was about 1, and because I was breastfeeding we just stopped consuming dairy as a family - and my asthma went away!  So we have continued our no-dairy policy.  I keep thinking about stopping meat again and going straight vegan at least for me but I guess I'm just a little bit lazy.  For some reason it seems like more work now than it did when I was younger LOL.

post #58 of 68

Ok, look- I understand the environmental consequences of eating meat. Which it sucks. Truly it does, however, there's no way you can basically insinuate that i don't care about the environment because I eat it. I drive a very fuel efficient car (in fact, we're a 1 car family!), I cloth diaper, hell, we don't even use toilet paper- family cloth FOREVAH, grow as much of my own veggies as I can,  recycle everything, compost what I can't and we literally only have to put our trash out 1x a month. In a house with 2 children, that's insane. 

Everyone can only do what their limitations allow, and I cannot be a vegetarian. I am so sick of everyone telling me what I should and should not eat. I'm a 32 year old woman, not a child, and to be constantly told smugly "cut out gluten! CUT OUT MEAT! You're so cruel! you're so inflamed, blah blah blah" it really makes me less likely to even consider it as a possibility.  There are multiple food allergies that I am dealing with here, and I am SO unwilling to restrict my diet just to satisfy someone's well meaning but overbearing ideals. 

And not that its any of your business, but yes, the meat and eggs I do purchase are through a co-op that sources from locally owned farms. If ordinances would allow it, I would have avian "pets with benefits". So please, stop making assumptions about me and my life. :irked

post #59 of 68

I love food and will eat everything.  I don't want to discriminate against any food. :D


Seriously, it's just personal choices and nobody need to justify them.  You can ask anyone similar questions like: why aren't you an activist?  Atheist? Doctor? Stripper?  Why do you like to wear blue?  What's wrong with red?  Why do you marry a man who doesn't make a lot of money?  Why don't you get your teeth bleached?  Why do you wear glasses instead of contacts?  Why, why why...?  And their answers would be none of your business. :)

post #60 of 68

Because meat is good for me (not my favorite thing to eat, but I need the protien and iron being nursing/pregnant).  And because my husband likes meat.  

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