Originally Posted by kathymuggle
I took a look at the vaccine schedule in Switzerland. It does not include rota, Heps (except for high risk populations) CP until adolescence, or yearly flu shots. I wonder how many would question the schedule if those more controversial vaccines were given?
I also think 7-8% of doctors either delaying vaccines for their own child and/or questioning the schedule is huge! Of course, Swiss doctors=/=American doctors, but if the data is similar in the USA, that is pretty shocking. Most doctors recommend close to 100% of patients vaccinate on schedule (assumption - but if we look at medical exemption rates I think it is correct) yet 7% of them disagree with the schedule??
The dose makes the poison is a very simplified argument. Children can react quite differently to substances than adults, even after adjusting for weight. Lead is one example. Here is an article if you like:
Who said this?
Per my link, it stated that " In contrast, both groups gave additional vaccines than those recommended to their own children. " So they gave them additional vaccines that weren't on the schedule.
Now while they don't specify which vaccines those are, I think it's safe to assume pediatricians aren't giving their children smallpox and yellow fever vaccines routinely. It's much more likely they are giving them vaccines like chicken pox, rota, Hep B or the flu shot.
"Children can react quite differently to substances than adults, even after adjusting for weight. Lead is one example."
Yes lead is an excellent example of a substance that is harmless in small amounts but dangerous in larger ones. See http://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2526.pdf
Test Result in micrograms per deciliter (mcg/dL)
0-4 • There is very little lead in your child’s blood.
• The average lead test result for young children is about 2 mcg/dL.
5-9 • Your child has a little more lead than most children.
• Talk with your doctor and local health department to find out how your child might have come into contact
with lead, and ways to protect your child.
• Your doctor might want to test your child again in 3 to 6 months.
10-14 • Your child’s lead level is high. A result of 10 or higher requires action.
• Your doctor and local health department will talk with you to help you find sources of lead, and ways you can
protect your child.
• Your child should be tested again in 1 to 3 months.
15-44 • Your child’s lead level is quite high. You and your doctor should act quickly.
• Talk with your doctor or nurse about your child’s diet, growth and development, and possible sources of lead.
• Talk with your local health department about how to protect your child. They may visit your home to help you
find sources of lead.
• If the lead level is 15 to 24, your child should be tested again in 1 to 3 months.
• If the lead level is 25 to 44, your child should be tested again in 2 weeks to 1 month.
45 or higher
• Your child needs medical treatment right away.
• Your doctor or health department will call you as soon as they get the test result.
• Your child might have to stay in a hospital, especially if your home has lead.
• Your local health department will visit your home to help you find sources of lead.
• Your child should not go back home until the lead sources are removed or fixed.
• Your child needs to be tested again after treatment.
So small amounts are considered normal and nothing alarming. In any event, if a baby has a higher than normal amount of lead in their blood work it is usually because of something in the baby's environment. Like pait in a house or contaminated water etc. So they are generally exposed to it everyday, not like vaccines. Lead in high amounts are dangerous for adults too so I am not sure what your point is. In fact, the amount of lead it takes for it to be a concern in adults is very similar to that of children.
What Lead Levels are Considered Elevated in Adults?
- At levels above 80 µg/dL, serious, permanent health damage may occur (extremely dangerous).
- Between 40 and 80 µg/dL, serious health damage may be occuring, even if there are no symptoms (seriously elevated).
- Between 25 and 40 µg/dL, regular exposure is occuring. There is some evidence of potential physiologic problems (elevated).
- Between 10 and 25 µg/dL, lead is building up in the body and some exposure is occuring.
The typical level for U.S. adults is less than 10 µg/dL (mean = 3 µg/dL).