Originally Posted by MichelleZB
Okay, I see what you mean now, Kathymuggle. You mean that people's end goals might be to influence people's real-life actions: if they are for vaccinations, to convince those who are doubtful to do it; if they are against, to convince others to stop vaccinating.
And yes, I do think that's most people's goal! Or it should be. To most, vaccines aren't like religions or a fashion sense where it doesn't much matter which god or hat you choose and you can have a sort of vague discussion like, "Oh, that's interesting! I'd never choose the red god/hat myself but I can see why it suits you, etc." Vaccines are created to save lives at a statistically significant level. Of course their proponents and detractors are discussing it in an attempt to persuade you.
Is it important enough to employ illogical arguments to persuade others? Well, I suppose it would be a tactic to try if you felt you didn't have logic or facts on your side. I'm sure nobody feels that way here.
Why do you not mention those who are campaigning for safer vaccines?
I don't understand why you aren't disturbed that an invasive procedure that has been admitted to cause seizures, brain damage, autoimmune disorders, paralytic disorders is being mandated with no limits.
I can see mandating vaccines for ONLY the most devastating illnesses, or for ONLY people who have been screened for likelihood of adverse reaction, or for ONLY vaccines that have a good track record for safety/efficacy, as determined by independent sources like the Cochrane Review. I think I'd still object to mandates, even under those circumstances, but I can see a valid argument for mandating under such circumstances.
But that's not what we're dealing with. We're dealing with adults being fired for not getting a flu shot, with children to be turned away from daycare for not getting a flu shot, with children not being allowed to attend schools for not being completely caught up on a schedule that has not yet been proven safe. We're seeing "financial incentives" (bribes) for doctors with 100% vaccine compliance, for groups participating in group health insurance plans, for 100% vaccine compliance.
And it must be part of the conversation that vaccine risks, even when known, are minimized. Those suffering from severe vaccine reactions are treated very, very differently from those suffering from complications of vaccine-preventable diseases. Why don't you find that outrageous? Would you feel differently if your child suffered a severe, debilitating reaction to a vaccine? Or would you say, "Oh, well. Guess we took one for the herd. Yay, us!"