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post #41 of 296
jaygee~Ugh. hug.gif

And yeahthat.gif to what kerc said.


I had *quite* the day. Actually starting last night, lol. I was all set to have a quiet night with DS when my girlfriend called and asked me to go to her company party with her since her boyfriend apparently couldn't find a babysitter. I was able to get a babysitter in an hour and a half when he couldn't get one in over a week. rolleyes.gif So, totally last minute, I got all dressed up and headed out to a party with an open bar and absolutely nobody I knew except my friend. Yeah. Did I mention that there was an awesome 80's cover band at the party? Holy cow, it was fun. I drank way way way too much, was NOT sober, flirted with some guys I will never see again most likely (my friend was doing her best to find me a man...there WERE an awful lot of cute single guys at the party!). drink.gif And got home at about 12:30, with a race to get up early for this morning. yikes.gif Oh, and I wore my super cute boots with the three inch heels, which did not overly agree with my feet after yesterday's 14 miles...

So I was sleeping the not-great sleep of the unsober this morning and actually woke up BEFORE my alarm went off at 5:30. And perhaps may not have been entirely sobered up yet. bag.gif I tried to doublecheck my bag, which I had packed drunkenly the night before, got myself around, made some tea, all that good stuff, and then got DS up and around, since he got to go with me.

rr~Today's race was a sprint tri that was originally scheduled for two weeks ago and was postponed because of the flooding. I was doing the swim leg of a relay with my tri club (the club had 9 teams altogether and costumes and stuff were encouraged) and was assigned to a team with two guys I had never met before and were rumored to be really freaking fast. My team was kind of lame on the costume front, so I was going to go to party city last night and pick up some sort of beer-related accessories (it was the Oktoberfest Tri), but then I got the call to go to the party instead, so whoops. Fortunately, our runner DID actually make a costume run last night and suited himself up in a pretty excellent Oktoberfest outfit, so at least one of us was dressed up!

Did I mention that it snowed yesterday? And that the water temp dropped over 10 degrees from Thursday??? Air temperature at the start of the race was 34 degrees. Water temp? 58. cold.gif I had about six layers on DS and he was still complaining about being cold as we walked around transition when we got to the race. Of course, I had never met my teammates, so that made it kind of difficult to find them, so we kind of wandered around aimlessly until we saw some of the tri club people that I knew and could hang out with. Oh, and did I mention the one other layer of intrigue in this whole race situation? J (guy I'm dating) was doing the tri. And remember the guy that I met when I went to the baseball game with the tri club about a month ago? Yeah, he was on one of the relay teams, so he was there, too. More on this later. shy.gif

I finally met my relay teammates, and we got semi-organized and I got my wetsuit on and headed down to the water with some friends. One of the tri club guys had his son there, who was a few years older than DS, so I had DS hang out with him while I was swimming. I got in the water to "warm up" aka make sure my goggles weren't going to leak, and holy crap. It took my breath away. It was COLD. cold.gif Fortunately, the relays were in wave 2, so I really didn't have that long to wait before we were on our way. And honestly, once we got going, it really wasn't that bad. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was cold, but it was very tolerable. Although I definitely think that the few people I saw without wetsuits were cuh-raaaaazy. dizzy.gif My sighting was not the best, but I felt pretty strong throughout the swim. The only rough spot was rounding the first buoy, which was exactly when the wave behind caught me, so it was a little crowded and I caught some hands and feet making the turn. It was a nice, short swim (yay, sprint tri!), and then I was out of the water and making the run to transition. I left my wetsuit fully on (usually I unzip and peel off the top half as I run) since it was keeping me warm and I didn't need to get out of it right away! They had a carpet almost all the way up to transition, which was awesome, because as soon as I hit the asphalt in the parking lot where transition was, my feet were instantly painfully frozen. OUCH. I met my cyclist, handed off the chip, and off he went!

I headed over to the club tent with a couple of other girls who had done the swim and we got changed and tried to get warmed up...with not great success. Fortunately, my car was really close, so DS and I headed over there to turn the heat on high and thaw my feet out. We had only been sitting there a minute or two when I glanced over and saw my team's runner flying out of transition! Holy moley, our cyclist was FAST! A few minutes later, I saw J heading out on the run, so I got a cheer in for him, and then hung out with the club peeps and cheered all our teams out onto the run. What felt like just a few minutes later (and really was, it was just over 20 min), my team's runner came in across the finish line! We were the second place coed relay team, even with my (comparatively) snail-like swim! My cyclist and runner both beat the first place team's but their swimmer was 7 minutes (!!!) faster than me. Which made me feel a little better, because seriously? Even if I WAS a good swimmer, we're probably talking 12-14 minutes, and their swimmer did it in 10:20. That's kind of smoking, in my opinion! And the guys were only like 30 seconds faster than the other team, so yeah...we weren't going to catch them. smile.gif It was pretty awesome to take second place, though! I got a sweet plaque for it! And the tri club had its own awards, and my team won "fastest transition"...which was a four-pack of Red Bull, lol.

Official swim time: 17:06. Seriously, fast for me. orngbiggrin.gif

On to the dating report portion of this race report (is this thing long enough yet???)...I somehow managed to successfully juggle things so that it pretty much just looked like I was hanging out with tri club peeps in general instead of mostly just with C (the guy from the baseball game). I'm still not entirely sure how I pulled that off. It actually was mostly because I had DS there. I had talked to J earlier in the week about that...I'm not anywhere ready to bring DS into the picture with him yet, and I had told him that. He was even willing to totally stay away from me, but I had told him that it was fine, it just needed to be "friendly" and not more, kwim? So, I did spend a little time with J (and met one of his friends who was there cheering and watching his daughter while he raced, and yes...his daughter, too), but it was pretty low-key. He did his thing and I did mine, for the most part. In the meantime, C was kind of glued to my side. Not in a totally obvious way, but definitely hanging out by me. One of my friends texted me afterward to say that he looked "totally smitten" by me, ha! Some fairly major flirtation, but nothing that would be too obvious to an outsider. And that was about that, we said goodbye and headed out, and I was left wondering (again) if he was going to do anything about it, or if I would have to suck it up and be the one to initiate something. Well, some FB messaging started up pretty shortly after that, phone numbers were (finally) exchanged, and....we have a date tomorrow. orngbiggrin.gif And that's the semi-short version of that...

Off to bed for me...I was supposed to be at work tonight, but woke up from my nap to the blessed sound of my phone ringing with the day charge nurse on the line asking me if I wanted release tonight because we're slow. I don't think she even got the full sentence out of her mouth before I was yelling YES YES YES I LOVE YOU YES. lol.gif So here's hoping it stays slow, since I'll be the first one called back if they need someone. And I have a date tomorrow that I need to be refreshed for. smile.gif
post #42 of 296
Hi from Morocco, Dingoes!
Flea bite count on this third day in country nlw stands at somewhere between 15 and 20 but I would need an opportunity to take off my clothes in private (as in, dor example, to bathe) to verify. I am filthy and itchy and seething a little, but I think we might get out on the road tomorrow.
Unfortunately it also looks like all travel will involve family visits instead of hotels which means continued lack of privacy and hygiene.
Also dh and I are considering purchasing 15ha of land but I think it is not far enough from you-know-who. Try not to be jealous. LOL. If we do buy it goes in my name. Ha.
RR: muscle relaxants.
post #43 of 296

Jo, you are a far, far better woman than I. Happy travels...

 

Thanks for the kind words, mama. Another bit of a rough day yesterday (i.e. me whisper-yelling at ds in synagogue and yanking on his arm to get him out of a very public location during a silent prayer moment when he decided to have a meltdown :eyesroll). Got better though, with some later cuddles and time-in. Sigh. I wish I could do better. Visit to pedi for ds' checkup the other day left me feeling disconsolate about the school situation, and my seeming impotence to figure out just what the right thing to do would be, vis a vis testing, placement, etc. :(

 

RR: 8.25 rainy miles this morning with a friend who is in recovery from a full marathon last week.

 

Oh, and our Dingo sister Homebirthmommy got (re)married yesterday. If you haven't caught up, visit the Dingo facebook page. :) 

post #44 of 296
Thread Starter 

:joy for HBM!

:clap Gaye for an amazing cold-water swim despite a very fun-filled evening the night before! And I'm all :lurk with the dating situation.

 

Jo, wow, loving your trip photos. Sorry about all the discomforts - do the kids mind it much? I hope everyone stays healthy and enjoys this part of the trip.

 

Nic, so sorry that the visit to the pediatrician didn't give you any better or clearer picture about what to do. Poor guy, how is he feeling about school? Also, I was really glad to hear that your DH's job situation resolved - it seems like a really good place for you guys and nice not to have to face another relocation.

 

RR: Yesterday was my long run of 20 miles. It went really well overall! I messed up my watch, but cobbled together my time plus my RP's garmin, I think I kept to my 11:30 pace. The last three miles must have been slower, though, as those really just felt kind of endless. Today I feel fine, a little soreness in my calves and back, but good mostly and no sore knee :twothumbs I am so thankful for my running group for these long runs. It is so nice to have the conversation and company for those many hours. And I am starting to get really excited about the marathon coming up in just 4 weeks!!

 

NRR: My sister and BIL came on an impromptu visit - nice!

post #45 of 296
Wow Mel38 - i remember when you were hoping that 3 miles wouldnt do you in injury-wise! So awesome! The marathon will be such an achievement orngbiggrin.gif

Gaye - You are insane! I seriously could not survive your schedule and have no desire, but it sure is fun hearing about it lol.gif

Nic - You have the best resource here in Geo, would talking about more specifics help? You are certainly not impotent. Maybe the yahoo group? The eight-year-old boy dynamic is ripe for conversation you know loveeyes.gif
post #46 of 296

Evening mamas,

 

Nic - You are so not alone!  Just a few days back I was riding C about her not practicing her trombone and she said, "Mom!  You're never ever ever ever here so how would you know how much I have practiced?" And touche, she was right.  And then I left for an overnight in Seattle with some lady friends.  To be fair, although it was fun to get away and have lots of grown up conversation and whatnot, the trip was to support a friend who was finally getting fitted for prosthetic breasts after having had a double mastectomy a year ago.  So it was all very poignant and at times completely unsettling and at one point at breakfast I was crying because I missed my kids so much but know that my m.o. is to back away from them because I'm already anticipating how much it will suck when they grow up and move out and am obviously missing some of the fleeting sweet days when they don't hate me yet but I've always been the one who does the breaking up, am not the one broken up with, and so here I go nearly pulling the same stunts with the two girls I love more than life.  crap.gif.   But the reminder of how short life could be is really fresh and raw and maybe I can be very brave and hold that thought and be more present when I can be.

 

Jo - Ah fleas.  Gotta love that.  Hang in there.

 

Gaye - You are like our own little Sex and The City, sports version.  I love your stories.

 

Lofty - Uh oh, B better duck!

 

Thinking thoughts for all of you but need to go to bed.  Love my Dingoes!

post #47 of 296
Nic, peds can identify horses, not zebras. The questions you are asking are outside the realm of a ped's training generally. You need someone who can distinguish horses from zebras, as well as if the zebra has orange stripes. If a dr's tool is limited to parent or teacher surveys or a brief conversation, you need someone else.
post #48 of 296

I had forgotten what Paige's *handle* was on here!  I know her by FB almost exclusively now.  So happy for her.  Does anyone know why they didn't go on a honeymoon?  Didn't want to ask on FB publicly.

 

Geo, what in the world are you talking about?  What's a "peds", I'm thinking pediatrician but horses and zebras??  help

 

Gaye~I got lost on the dating, so you have J and C now? J was the original that agreed to seeing other people right?

 

sparkle~hope you are feeling okay today.  hug

 

jaygee~ that totally sucks about dh having to work without pay.  I really disagree with that!!

 

NRR: had a nice visit with my dad and his gf yesterday.  We were pleasantly surprised!   Now a busy week but countdown to 2 weeks in FL!!  Anyone close to Sarasota?  I'm looking forward to getting a filling redone in a little because this tooth has been trapping raspberry seeds for a year now.  REady to be done with that, lol!

 

RR: RP and I ran our best 20 miler yesterday.  The first 2 we did a speed stop at her house to refuel, but this time we ran straight through.  She never stopped her running app so our time included walking for 4 fuels (she can't eat and run which is fine) and we were still 6 minutes faster than the fastest.  The last mile was at 9:30 (we are shooting around 10m/m pace for race).  I'm going to be thrilled to cross the finish line together and don't care about time.   I'm going to miss this training when it's over. 

post #49 of 296
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Originally Posted by Geofizz View Post

Nic, peds can identify horses, not zebras. The questions you are asking are outside the realm of a ped's training generally. You need someone who can distinguish horses from zebras, as well as if the zebra has orange stripes. If a dr's tool is limited to parent or teacher surveys or a brief conversation, you need someone else.

Yes, this.  Just think if someone called you to ask you a question about a field other than your own. You'd say, "well here's by best stab at it."  And often that's enough. But sometimes its not. So you'd then say you need to call ____, they would know.  In this instance we come back to the question of does ds need something else for school (which a professionally trained person would be better at addressing)?

 

 

 

Plady wrote something that made me pause and think, yes, that's what happens here!!  After years of banging my head against the wall I have figured out that sometimes my kids need me.  And that's usually when I have the least amount of time (duh). But when I figure out that I CAN choose how I spend my time, even when there are 14 deadlines over my head, if I drop everything and ____ for 30 minutes and embrace them, they are so much less needy for the other 23.5 hours of the day.   ____ sometimes means take them to the beach (easy to do where I live in 30 minutes). Sometimes it means draw with them. Sometimes it means just sit down and have breakfast at the same table as them (vs. getting dressed because I've had breakfast 30 minutes before). Often figuring this out means I have to let go of something (hello, I'm the lady at the bus stop in her PJ pants sometimes).  What it almost always means for me is that I need to be the adult and just get over myself and find the time.  And usually it means that I'm more focused when I get back to the computer to meet the deadline anyhow.

 

I got a second? third? round of illness this weekend. Came on suddenly -- yesterday morning feeling achey. Yesterday evening, went to bed early and was feverish. Today, well I'm at work. I consider that a success.

post #50 of 296
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Geo, what in the world are you talking about?  What's a "peds", I'm thinking pediatrician but horses and zebras??  help

 

Just that doctors are taught "when you hear hoof beats, thing horses, not zebras."  That is, if someone comes in with a sore throat, think "let's think about a cold," not "hmmm, might be throat cancer."  Pediatricians are good at distinguishing between the medically based things that tend to crop up in kids.  If a parent is asking about something both outside the dr's training and also likely somewhat unusual or difficult to tease apart, the dr isn't going to be able to see all the pieces clearly enough to even identify that his answer was worthless.  This get hard when talking about behavioral issues.  Diagnosing ADHD is often done by a pediatrician giving mom a survey to fill out on frequency of behaviors.  If mom ticks off enough of these behaviors, then to doctor sends you out with a Ritalin prescription (or hopefully also information on teaching appropriate skills).  This works for many cases of ADHD, but if there is another underlying reason for those behaviors (bored, anxiety, hearing problem, visual processing problem, autism, learning disability, depression, or a condition that leads to odd sensations in the extremities --DS' case), the survey isn't going to pick it up, the Ritalin and behavioral interventions will do squat, and you get no where except frustrated.

 

A talented and experienced neuropsychologist can tease these things apart.

post #51 of 296

Thank you!!

 

Is it normal to only be able to smile with the non-numbed side of my mouth after a filling?

post #52 of 296
RM - Yes
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Thank you!!

 

Is it normal to only be able to smile with the non-numbed side of my mouth after a filling?

yes. most annoying part of dental work, aside from people touching your mouth.

goes away after a few hours.

post #54 of 296
Phew! Thanks- it's SO weird!!
post #55 of 296

Geo, you're right. BUt one of the reasons I feel so disconsolate and lost is that I really don't know exactly what kind of problem I'm looking for. Is it a learning issue? Is it an emotional thing? Is it a neurological or sensory issue? Combination? Bad dynamic in the classroom exacerbating some other underlying factor (this, probably yes.)? It leaves me feeling help.gif

 

The pedi did not say ADHD or any other thing that would require medication; he also doesn't think it's an Aspie issue although there may be some spectrum/sensory issues at play. Ds however doesn't meet a lot of the criteria for what that would look like in a typical neuro-untypical kid, if that makes any sense at all.

 

I did today submit the paperwork for an observation/evaluation (FBA) from the district, who will come in and observe him at his school. It's at least a place to start. Complicating this is that dh is not on board with evaluating, etc., thinks I'm nuts for thinking anything other than normal boy behavior and poor classroom management are at fault. (Of course, many of these characteristics are reminiscent of....him. But he did not get any parental support in channeling it positively and was left to his own impressively intelligent but low EQ devices...and thus, here we are).

 

Anyway, that's where we are. I'm sad, we had another very challenging day before and after school. First world problems, for sure...but I feel enveloped by them.

post #56 of 296
Nic - I recognize your desperation. I have been there. One thing I notice is that Ds' behavioral "quirks" seem to come in waves, which makes me think it is certainly partially developmental. As he ages, he is in fact maturing ever so incrementally. He has actually been so good the past 6 weeks (knock wood!) that its hard to remember the specifics of what he does. One, he over-reacts to everything. His emotional response is intense: if he stubs his toe or cuts his toe off he screams like he's being stretched on a torture device. If his sister takes a pen he was using or accuses him of taking her pen, or destroys his most favorite thing on earth; all get the same high pitched, crying, fierce anger/denial/accusation/aggression. He is emotionally aggressive, that's it. And he argues about everything. Its like he's a victim and has to constantly defend himself with all he's got, no matter what you say to him: "can you please close the door" gets "I DIDNT LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN, IT WAS HER, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS ACCUSING ME!........." And so on. He gets exasperated when you ask him to do simple things, like brush his teeth. Everything is a fight. He does this with teachers too. And with friends he can be domineering (likes to be the leader of ideas) and insensitive, but conversely hyper-sensitive to their slights. Its exhausting

Here is what I have done over the past few months. First, I have noticed for years that fish oil seems to calm him down. After reading more about how much someone would have to take to get a vitamin D overload (A LOT) I decided to up his fish oil and stop giving it so inconsistently. He and I get a tablespoon of the most high grade, fermented fish oil you can buy every day. I also bought - this sounds cheesy, but - flower essences. I told you I was desperate, but I figured if I use Rescue remedy and believe it works, and use arnica (homeopathic, so not exactly the same) and know it works, I'd try anything (again, I was feeling desperate). I read up on them and found three whose descriptions of what they address could have been a description of DS they were so specific and spot on. I made a bottle of them mixed and have been sneaking drops into his drinks for 6 weeks. Lastly, those two visits to the therapist helped in one area especially, and that was realizing how brain/intellect focused he is and therefore we have been with him, and how little we have emphasized his feelings, and feelings in general, to the point that I really think he is disconnected form them, doesnt recognize them, and doesnt know what to do with them when they arise. So we have been doing a lot of talk about feelings, a lot of checking in about them, asking how his stomach feels when X happens, or offering some strategies for when that knot feeling starts in his chest, etc. I bought a journal for him and me to write notes to each other, in which I talk about feelings and ask what he notices about his. Point is, I am really trying to honor his feeling person and downplay his intellectual (which I have prized him for for years, as his intellect is so quick)

One thing that struck me in realizing the disconnected feelings was a story a friend told me about her son at the beginning of the year. She is very into feelings (for personal reasons that I think have made her do a lot of work there), and being connected to your truth and expressing it (for lack of a better way to phrase it). So, her son, my Ds' class and age mate, told her he wanted to quit karate, something he had loved and was good at. She said to him; "when I say we arent going and you never have to go back to karate, how do you feel here?" and pointed to her stomach, and then "and if I say, I really think you love it and youll regret this so we;re going to go, how do you feel". And she used his response to make the decision about whether he could quit. At the time, I sort of internally raised my eyebrows, as this seemed like an awfully squishy way to make a big decision. But after thinking about it in light of how intellectually I would have handled it with DS, I reconsidered that she was right on! Her son is learning how to connect his feelings to his thoughts. So Ive been doing stuff like that with my ds...

But I really think the fish oil is the foundation shrug.gif. And now the gifted component is making things even better, so yeah, there is the school piece ...


goodvibes.gif mama
post #57 of 296
Sorting out learning issue from bored from behavioral issue from sensory from poor educational environment is exactly what a neuropsych exam can do. I should have said that a ped ruling out something with an equal amount of non-information is just as unlikely to be correct. The expert is necessary to tease these things apart. The FBA is an excellent first step, and it will hopefully come with some of the parent & teacher surveys that should be used as a guide for further investigation.

In the mean time, sparkle's got great thoughts, and there's always my go to kidlet fix all of more exercise.
post #58 of 296

Sparkle...yes. Wow, yes, to all of that. Whew.

 

Can you please give me the name of the fish oil? I'm not sure how I'll get it into him as he's such a picky eater (and only drinks water or seltzer, sometimes milk, no juice ever..hates it) but I will do my best...

 

Neuropsych eval, where do you go for that? 

post #59 of 296
That's a good question for the ped. Also, ask around to parents you trust whose kids are gifted, ADHD, autism, dyslexic, etc. You need someone who is careful and thoughtful. I have generally felt best with psychologists whose approach is to ask "what's it like to be this child?" and thinks across school to home to peer relationships.

Also check: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/psychologists.htm
post #60 of 296
Nic-- {hugs}. Keep in mind that people can have spectrum and/or sensory issues, but that doesn't make them Aspie anymore than having some obsessive tendencies makes one OCD or not sleeping much makes one bipolar. A good psychologist should be able to sort out those issues, but since those can be hard to find, ask around for recommendations.
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Nic - I recognize your desperation. I have been there. One thing I notice is that Ds' behavioral "quirks" seem to come in waves, which makes me think it is certainly partially developmental. As he ages, he is in fact maturing ever so incrementally. He has actually been so good the past 6 weeks (knock wood!) that its hard to remember the specifics of what he does. One, he over-reacts to everything. His emotional response is intense: if he stubs his toe or cuts his toe off he screams like he's being stretched on a torture device. If his sister takes a pen he was using or accuses him of taking her pen, or destroys his most favorite thing on earth; all get the same high pitched, crying, fierce anger/denial/accusation/aggression. He is emotionally aggressive, that's it. And he argues about everything. Its like he's a victim and has to constantly defend himself with all he's got, no matter what you say to him: "can you please close the door" gets "I DIDNT LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN, IT WAS HER, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS ACCUSING ME!........." And so on. He gets exasperated when you ask him to do simple things, like brush his teeth. Everything is a fight. He does this with teachers too. And with friends he can be domineering (likes to be the leader of ideas) and insensitive, but conversely hyper-sensitive to their slights. Its exhausting.
YOU HAVE DESCRIBED MY HUSBAND!!! The overreaction, the sensory issues, the way he yells like his arm has been chopped off over minor injuries, and what we now call his "don't tell me what to do button" which is pushed so easily over the most minor of issues. And of course, there is the intellect piece there too, which played a huge role in the fact that his family basically decided to give him a pass on the disruptive behavior because oh, "he's so bright and smart people are like that." He didn't have trouble in school, though I think that's mostly because the teachers gave him a long leash to do what he wanted and he's generally happy when he can do what he wants. The mood swings are true here too. Thank goodness there are some good phases in which they are interesting and pleasant and nice to be around.
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