I certainly don't like tons of junk every day but my daughter who has a great diet will sample treats and when she is full she has had enough. Making junkfood verboten doesnt teach kids self discipline in my opinion. I dont have a problem with parties I think it breaks up the routine. As for children who dont celebrate holidays or are some how in the minority... Not every child will get to participate in every activity that is part of life and offers a valuable teaching moment for parents. The world will not make sure our children are NEVER excluded. Sometimes health (allergies or some other concern) will not allow sometimes belief differences wont allow. However there are children in my daughter's school whose religion precludes them from celebrating ANYTHING! I wont go in to my beliefs on that but I really don't think my kids should be punished for the outlier group. I have a ridiculously sensitive latex allergy and there were just some things I couldnt and still cant participate in however that is just life its not being left out its just the way it is.
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Should schools stop having holiday parties? - Page 2post #22 of 7310/16/13 at 9:34am
As a former 1st grade teacher... I love the parties and I say keep them... where it is community appropriate.
By that I mean many communities really are into all the traditional holidays. Perhaps not everyone, but a vast majority; I do hate the "try not to offend" mentality.
But there are communities that are a little different, where a more significant portion of the population does not celebrate such holiday to the extent that it makes sense, by whatever standards, to leave the celebrations to be handled by individuals.
As for junk food... if you're involved with the party and don't want it, speak up. I certainly see that as something that can have options.post #23 of 7310/18/13 at 10:42am
because of Common Core, our school isn't allowed to do parties anymore. As a healthy initiative school the children are not allowed to sell or have candy or sweets even on special occassions so no cupcakes or anything like that on birthdays and they aren't allowed to sell cookie dough or anything else. I am really sad about the parties (we did them last year in Kindergarten and the parents put together trinket gift bags and brought in fun healthy snacks like fruit cups with pumpkin faces on them or spooky cheese shapes. I think it's fine to have fun in school. it also impacted field trips and they are really lame this year :(post #24 of 7310/18/13 at 10:49ampost #25 of 7310/18/13 at 11:34amQuote:
I agree that it is important that children learn that the world will not always cater to their individual needs/tastes/beliefs but I think it is inappropriate to exclude a child in a public school from a party based on religious beliefs (or non-beliefs). A private school, sure, if they are teaching within a certain faith then cool, do whatever you want. But in a public school designed to teach children from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds it is inappropriate to host a party based on religious themes that not everyone subscribes to. It's pretty lame to say "sorry five kids who don't believe the same things we do, go sit in the office for the party and then go home and have your parents teach you about tolerance and differences since it's their fault you're being excluded" Save the religious themed parties for places of worship or home and allow ALL children to celebrate by hosting parties based on something that EVERYONE experiences (the seasons, the weather, etc.)post #26 of 7310/18/13 at 12:25pmShouldn't we be teaching our kids to be inclusive rather than excluding other kids based on their religion (or lack thereof) or other cultural factors?
A couple of years ago in 2nd grade dd2's class learned about all the winter holidays -- Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Solstice, Ramadan, etc.post #27 of 7310/18/13 at 12:38pmpost #28 of 7310/18/13 at 12:48pmQuote:Originally Posted by Sarakenobi
because of Common Core, our school isn't allowed to do parties anymore. As a healthy initiative school the children are not allowed to sell or have candy or sweets even on special occassions so no cupcakes or anything like that on birthdays and they aren't allowed to sell cookie dough or anything else. I am really sad about the parties (we did them last year in Kindergarten and the parents put together trinket gift bags and brought in fun healthy snacks like fruit cups with pumpkin faces on them or spooky cheese shapes. I think it's fine to have fun in school. it also impacted field trips and they are really lame this year :(
We are also in a public school in a state using Common Core standards and it has had no impact on our parties, treats, birthday celebrations, or field trips. There is a separate situation that has changed our cafeteria food (a little, not much at all, really) in order to get more federal funding but again, no impact on anything else.
There's a tendency among parents right now to blame every negative thing on Common Core, and while CC has it's problems and short comings, it's catching a lot of blame for situations that existed long before CC OR have nothing to do with CC.post #29 of 7310/18/13 at 1:02pmQuote:Originally Posted by momasana
I agree that it is important that children learn that the world will not always cater to their individual needs/tastes/beliefs but I think it is inappropriate to exclude a child in a public school from a party based on religious beliefs (or non-beliefs). A private school, sure, if they are teaching within a certain faith then cool, do whatever you want. But in a public school designed to teach children from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds it is inappropriate to host a party based on religious themes that not everyone subscribes to. It's pretty lame to say "sorry five kids who don't believe the same things we do, go sit in the office for the party and then go home and have your parents teach you about tolerance and differences since it's their fault you're being excluded" Save the religious themed parties for places of worship or home and allow ALL children to celebrate by hosting parties based on something that EVERYONE experiences (the seasons, the weather, etc.)
I never said religious themed parties were ok just wanted to clarify. We had some students in our school who were of a religion that "winter" or "semester" parties were considered against their beliefs. In my opinion how do you include these children? I mean I of course don't want there to be just a "christmas" party in a public school but if youre religion is disapproving of all celebrations then your kid is just going to get left out but that isnt because the party was exclusive the religion is.post #30 of 7310/18/13 at 1:16pm
My son is in 1st grade. I love the holiday parties. My sons school has been stressing healthy snacks, nothing with peanuts (allergies). My family and I do not follow any of the mainstream traditions as we are Pagan. I love the questions that my son comes home with about the different beliefs that his friends have and he gets to share his with his friends. We are very open about our beliefs with him and what he has been taught and if there is a question that I can not answer he has family and my friends that can answer the questions about their beliefs.post #31 of 7310/18/13 at 1:23pmQuote:
Agreed. We follow Common Core and we still have class parties and great field trips.
On topic, I think class parties are fun for the kids and I don't mind them. Stuff like that (along with family nights at school) bond the kids and give them more in common than just schoolwork, which is really beneficial as the years go on, I've found. DS feels more integrated the more he sees classmates outside of school or in fun venues like a party.post #32 of 7310/18/13 at 1:27pmQuote:
Oh wow...so no parties allowed at all in their belief system? That's tricky but in this case I agree with your original comment that there isn't a way to meet everyone's needs in that case. I suppose that would be the same as if someone didn't believe in sports and had their children sit out of PE. It would be unreasonable to expect ALL kids to sit of PE if a family didn't believe in it.
A teacher should always be sensitive to a student's beliefs but not to the point of eliminating secular activities.
I hope my original comment didn't come across as snarky towards you, lrj85. I recently moved from a very religious community and feel a bit sensitive about these issues. But that's chat for a different thread, I suppose.post #33 of 7310/18/13 at 2:04pmQuote:Originally Posted by lrj85
I never said religious themed parties were ok just wanted to clarify. We had some students in our school who were of a religion that "winter" or "semester" parties were considered against their beliefs. In my opinion how do you include these children? I mean I of course don't want there to be just a "christmas" party in a public school but if youre religion is disapproving of all celebrations then your kid is just going to get left out but that isnt because the party was exclusive the religion is.
If a parent subscribes to a belief system that narrow then they have excluded their children. Every other child in the class should not have to give up parties and celebrations because of one family's restrictive choices.
Edited by NiteNicole - 10/18/13 at 6:07pmpost #34 of 7310/18/13 at 3:42pm
Our district has a strict no-junk policy, so at their parties, they usually get to do a holiday-inspired craft and have fun while listening to music. If a treat is allowed, it's mostly nutritious. I've never heard of a school that allows so much candy at a party!
To go along with the party no-junk, the kids are not allowed to bring in food treats on their birthdays either.
I think the parties are very important for the kids, as well as the teachers and any parents who participate, and I can't believe kids would be forced to sit in the office during a class party!!!!post #35 of 7310/18/13 at 9:35pmAs a teacher, I think holiday parties are a great way for students to bring their ideas and traditions into the classroom. We create projects, draw and color pictures, make decorations for the parties, read fiction stories and historical facts and solve math problems about that particular holiday. The students are still learning, but having fun while doing so. I am currently teaching at a school in Guam which is highly diverse. In my class alone I have students who are Korean, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Chamorro,(natives of Guam), American via Military and American who have made Guam their home. I am excited to see the different ways the holidays are celebrated from traditional foods to decorations. I am aware of food allergies, parents who have strict diets for their kids and those whose parents are flexible in diets. I always make sure that everyone is included by having a variety of everything. I am not as strict as some parents, but even when we have pizza reward day, I make a huge green salad and fruit cups to go with the pizza. Parties are also a great way for students to socialize, learn etiquette, etc. I have had students whose parents did not want them to participate for religious reasons and chose to keep their children home that day. I have also had parents who were concerned that their child would not be able to participate because of financial reasons. For those parents I bought a few extra items, called the parents the day before had them pick it up and then send it in with their child the next day. I love having parties. There is a level of excitement that is not there everyday. As teachers we are very busy, so having parents plan, coordinate, contact parents are a great help to us. It also will allow the parents to be in control of what happens at the parties and what is being served.post #36 of 7310/19/13 at 8:32ampost #37 of 7310/19/13 at 10:46amAt DD's preschool, only store-packaged treats are allowed, probably because they can't guarantee allergy friendliness on homemade items, but yuck! I'm supportive of holiday parties as long as they are inclusive, but the junk food makes me sad. I'm trying to figure out what to bring in for the Halloween party that's healthy and also store-packaged -- the options on the sign up sheet were pizza, chips, cheese corn, and candy. I mean -- Really?!post #38 of 7310/20/13 at 11:06am
I don't think they should stop if it is a tradition that is accepted and participated in by the majority in that school.
If the decision to stop is because some students are uncomfortable then you may be including a lot of other school events as well.
When my daughter was in her last couple of years of high school, the school she attended had regular "cabin days" during the winter months. No classes were held and the kids played games in the classrooms, studyhalls and gym. My daughter was always uncomfortable about this because she was constantly being badgered by students and school staff to participate in these activities. She was more of an introvert in larger social situations and didn't like this at all. Our choice was to have her stay home for the day.
That is just one example that I thought of. There are situations that occur in school that can make many children uncomfortable. I think it is up to the family and student to decide how much they want to participate and to maintain two-way communication with the schools as to the why, when and why not about their participating.post #39 of 7310/21/13 at 12:49pm
Regarding the kids who weren’t allowed to celebrate anything – I’m pretty sure that you are talking about Jehovah’s Witnesses, and you are right, they are not allowed to celebrate any kind of holiday. I was raised a JW and it was tough in school because we could not participate in any holiday celebrations, or any kind of extracurrular activity either.
If my class wanted celebrate a holiday, I would have to go to the office or the library. I was brainwashed to believe sitting in class while the rest of the class celebrated would be the same as if I was celebrating, so that’s why I had to leave the class. This also meant I had to sit in the library while they practiced the Christmas show, or if some child wanted to celebrate their birthday with the class. There were four other JW kids in my school and we would all have to sit in the library and wait till whatever was going on was over.
Our parents told us were making God happy by not celebrating "pagan" holidays, but that was of little consolation when all the other kids got tons of cool toys for xmas and you got nothing.
I agree! This religion is a cult more than anything. I left when I was 18 years old, even though that meant being shunned by every member in the religion, including my own family. I am so very glad my children will not be raised up in that environment or have to go through what I did as a kid.
I say let the kids that CAN celebrate enjoy the party! The other kids shouldn't have to suffer just because of a few.
Oh yeah! Even if you called the celebration something like "Winter Party", that isn't going to work anyway. Most JWs recognize that the teachers are still having a Xmas party and are just calling the party a different name in an attempt to include all the kids, and they still won't allow their kids to participate.
I remember once my younger sister's teacher was always trying to find ways to include her in celebrations even if they were related to the holidays. My mother was constantly aruging with this teacher. The teacher said she didn't want my sister to feel left out, and my mother said, "But that's the point."
Well, my sister's teacher said they were going to have a "Fall Festival" in class. Well, she came home with a picture of a turkey she had colored. JWs can't celebrate Thanksgiving. My mother called the school in a rage and spoke to the prinicple. There weren't any more incidents and the teacher was not allowed to let my sister be included in any parties after that.
Edited by amber3902 - 10/21/13 at 1:11pmpost #40 of 7310/21/13 at 1:13pm
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