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post #41 of 105
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Originally Posted by drswolfson View Post
 

Wow...everything you are doing would contribute to low milk supply.  Do not pump unless absolutely necessary.  The pump will decrease your supply but the baby suckling for anything and everything will increase it.  Never use a pacifier...put baby to breast as much as possible.  Nurse a lot during the night.  Nurse on demand day and night and use breast for pacifying.  Alcohol is the worst thing to give your newborn baby through your milk.  Giving donor milk is taking the place of your baby nursing on your breast losing the opportunity to make more milk for yourself.  More nursing equals more milk supply.  Alfalfa is one of the highest GMO foods on the planet.  Make sure it's organic.  Taking any tincture, essential oil or herbal remedy will change the taste/composition of your milk.  Most babies will not want to nurse because of this.  Eat Paleo foods...what a human being is supposed to eat.  Lots of good fats like avocado, coconut, soaked nuts and seeds, grass-fed meats, wild salmon, sardines/anchovies, organic vegetables and salads etc.  Drink nothing but purified water and LOTS of it.  Most women who don't make enough milk are dehydrated.  Do not consume any caffeine (chocolate, carob, tea, decaf coffee, reg. coffee etc.), alcohol, gluten, soy, dairy or sugar.


If you have evidence based data on the Paleo Diet causing an increase in milk supply, I'd love to see it I subscribe to Lactation Journals and have seen little to no respected peer reviewed data that any special diet has much of an impact on supply. I'd like to read it. I don't put a lot of merit in "testimonials" my profession requires actual evidence based data.

 

I've been a clinician working as an IBCLC for more than 20 years and from where I sit, two of the best ways to lose your audience or have a client dismiss your claims are to start by telling the client that l "everything you are doing is wrong" and then try to make them drastically  change their lifestyle. That way even if what one are saying has any merit, your audience has already turned off. Tell people that everything they do and everything they eat is wrong (especially without proof) is just going to cause your audience to reject any further advice. I've worked with thousands of women on average American diets and most have wonderfully full supplies.

 

I do have to say that most problems with lactation are either 1) physiological issues in mother or baby  or 2) lactation management related. Very little is diet related.

 

As for the pumping, when a woman has a low supply, pumping in addition to nursing the baby as much as possible is Lactation 101. Stimulation prompts supply. Of course, the baby is the BEST "pump" available, but when women have a seriously low supply, and IS nursing all the baby can, some pumping is usually helpful.  Not to mention women whose babies are in the NICU and not yet on the breast, the ONLY way to bring in and keep a supply is to pump, the same for women who need to work outside the home away from their babies. All these women KEEP their supplies and often increase them from pumping. Again, if you have evidenced based  peer reviewed data that "pumping will decrease your supply." I'd love to see it.

 

I also wanted to say that although no one wants to see lactating women intoxicated, alcohol is far from "the worst thing" that can go through one's milk. Moderate to light alcohol consumption is usually completely compatible with lactation. There actually have been evidence based data sources that link certain types of (mostly European)  beers to boosted supplies. (And the "Paleolithic Era" ended approx 10,000 years ago, beer was made from fermenting grain into alcohol at least 10,000 years ago. So, if.... cave people drank beer..... :mischief)

 

I, myself, don't consume alcohol, nor do I consume dairy products, but as a practitioner, ethically and practically, my job isn't to get all my clients to live my personal lifestyle my job is to give them the tools we know through research and practice will work to help women breastfeed their babies. I'm a Lactation Consultant, not a Lifestyle Consultant. Clients know what they hire me for. They hear enough horror stories from their friends who didn't succeed at breastfeeding. My job is to make breastfeeding as simple as possible for my clients, not clog their lives with thousands of "don'ts.."

 

Making breastfeeding sound too difficult and trying to drastically change clients' lifestyles or make clients think they are stupid and doing everything wrong simply turns clients away and then they can't be helped at all.

 

I just felt I had to say something.


Edited by MaggieLC - 11/14/13 at 8:12am
post #42 of 105
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Originally Posted by MaggieLC View Post
 

Making breastfeeding sound too difficult and trying to drastically change clients' lifestyles or make clients think they are stupid and doing everything wrong simply turns clients away and then they can't be helped at all.

 

I just felt I had to say something.

 

Thanks for saying something. I was thinking the same. 

post #43 of 105
Yes, thanks for saying that!
post #44 of 105
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Originally Posted by drswolfson View Post
 

Wow...everything you are doing would contribute to low milk supply.  Do not pump unless absolutely necessary.  The pump will decrease your supply but the baby suckling for anything and everything will increase it.  Never use a pacifier...put baby to breast as much as possible.  Nurse a lot during the night.  Nurse on demand day and night and use breast for pacifying.  Alcohol is the worst thing to give your newborn baby through your milk.  Giving donor milk is taking the place of your baby nursing on your breast losing the opportunity to make more milk for yourself.  More nursing equals more milk supply.  Alfalfa is one of the highest GMO foods on the planet.  Make sure it's organic.  Taking any tincture, essential oil or herbal remedy will change the taste/composition of your milk.  Most babies will not want to nurse because of this.  Eat Paleo foods...what a human being is supposed to eat.  Lots of good fats like avocado, coconut, soaked nuts and seeds, grass-fed meats, wild salmon, sardines/anchovies, organic vegetables and salads etc.  Drink nothing but purified water and LOTS of it.  Most women who don't make enough milk are dehydrated.  Do not consume any caffeine (chocolate, carob, tea, decaf coffee, reg. coffee etc.), alcohol, gluten, soy, dairy or sugar.

 

It doesn't have to be that difficult! Some mums and babies react to dairy, but most do not. And while Paleo is a great approach, a strict Paleo is not for everyone as it makes you lose weight and some of us cannot afford to, especially during breastfeeding. 

 

And some women see chocolate as a basic human right ;)

post #45 of 105
I'm so glad to see this thread. I gave birth via emergency (and very much unplanned)
C-section eight days ago, and I am only getting Milliliters =( I'm on the herbal mixture. I'm told I may not have enough mammary tissue, also. I want so badly to get moving and going!
post #46 of 105
I also had an emergency c section after 72hrs of labour. Apparently it's quite common to have low supply after such trauma.
post #47 of 105
Is it naturally reversible? I'm so glad Domperidone is an option; I'm definitely hoping to exhaust other routes. I've drank beer (not too much!), eaten oatmeal, drank orange juice, made cookies with brewers yeast... Any trick I can find!
post #48 of 105

1. put your baby on the breast for nursing as often as you humanly can, this alone will increase your milk production within few days. You might have problems to stop :) the nature has embedded system.. more frequent feedings, more milk needed, we need to kick up the supply.

2. there are much safer things out there then drugs that always have some known and unknown effects.

Dried Organic Alfalfa from Whole foods Store. (don't buy non organic herbs as they have bed stuff in them )

Fenugreek

 

I always took only one pill a day when I wanted to kick up the supply and it worked like a charm. don't take it when you don't need it as the production will go up and you will have opposite problems.

3. Keep your body warm, keep your brests and torso very warm all day beause the cooler you are the less inclined you will be to produce milk. Body works that way.

 

4. be careful not to eat much cabbage or remove it from your diet until your milk wilk kick in.

Cabage reduces the milk production. raw, cooked, in any form, don't.

 

5. Do not drink cold drinks and especially drinks with ice.  For some reason this also effects the process. Drink room temperature or warm liquids only. At least until you will get everything going.

 

6. Drinking cup of  warm milk also helps.

 

7. Learn, ask forum about their experiences with food while nursing. This is not common sense thing. You need to know for fact which foods will help you to increase milk production and which will decrease it as most normal regular foods that we eat affect milk production as is in the cabbage case. Reason behind is that many kind of foods  either contain hormone like ingredients or affect hormons in other way. So as is in the cabbage case it actually affects milk producing hormone and so you have adverse effect to desired here.

Alfalfa - increases mlk production. Water in plastic bottle and anything heated in plastic might affect by decreasing as plastic leaches into your food and drinks and affects your hormons IMMENSLy. Regardless of the fact that it is BPA free plastic.

 

Generaly keep yourself warm in general. The nature of breastfeeding is connected with natural processes and body follows the notion -

not enough food - we are not going to be able to make milk we have to keep storing...

not enough drink - the same idea

too cold body - we have to focus on maintaining the body temperature and milk production has to wait

... nature is smart and takes first the body life support processes and only secondary functions are supported then.

In other words keep yourself well fed, rested, well drinking water and warm liquids, keep your body warm and eat right food and

that will help a lot.

 

If you will end up having too much milk though cabage is a life saver - just smash or chop leaves into mush in the processor and put the paste on your breast cover with cotton rug and keep as long as you can stand it for two days and this removes engorgement, painful lumps and blocked milk ducts.

Awsome.

 

First heand experience - From mom who nursed for MANY years and been through it all.


Edited by PeaceBeWithYou - 11/17/13 at 9:23am
post #49 of 105

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post #50 of 105
motilium(has another d name) and changing my diet to include more lactogenic foods such as barley water, wholegrains, carrots, leafy greens, sesame seeds and spices.

Not sure how much the diet changed helped my supply as a started motilium at the same time but I felt more full and less moody. I got most of my information mobimotherhood.org
post #51 of 105
Also meant to say started drinking a litre of iced tea(nettle and roobios) and feeding her in the sling while I'm doing chores(feeds are less rushed and she stays on the breast longer). Started yoga aswell to deal with stress and aches from carrying her so often and well being in general. Goddess pose and feet against the wall pose are good to just relax.
Edited by Ponyomum - 11/16/13 at 7:07pm
post #52 of 105
I had low supply and I'm taking Domperidone. It almost doubled my supply. I also take fenugreek and moringa.
post #53 of 105
Fenugreek did not help me and I don't know if my milk has increased because I am over the worst part of the healing, or if its the domperidone or both. Nursing more definitely helps the most. In my opinion, i beleive a healthy diet is good for lactation but I am sceptical that certain foods increase or decrease it, although cabbage leaves directly on the breast have a true effect. But In saying that, I have tried everything, food wise, that is said to increase lactation, just in case. smile.gif
post #54 of 105
Thank you so much! I'll put my baby to the breast more often. She gets so angry at me to the point where I have to console her if I try to do it greensad.gif But we just got her a SwaddlePod that keeps her super happy... I will keep at it!
post #55 of 105

Hi Lilmamita,

I was running into the same problem  with my preemie son. I took a bunch of fenugreek (2 capsules 3 times a day), I also imagined my milk flowing as I was nursing him. If I would worry about the flow it would make the supply less. Your milk is most plentiful between the hours of 1 and 4 am and adding an extra pumping session helped me... Also, upping protein did wonders for me.

Good luck! You can do it…my babe is now (9 months) right in the middle of the weight gain curve and started at 0.3 percentile as a tiny dude. 

post #56 of 105
Just a couple reminders--- babies do lose "weight" in the days immediately after birth. THat is completely normal. IT is all water weight as they were water logged. Is your baby steadily gaining weight from the lowest BW? ANother factor is that milk supply will usually increase as demand is placed on the lactating system. Most moms have a peak of production that is built in-- you are likely to still be building up to this level. Another factor can be be we are often conscious of the extra baby weight that we want to shed asap, and unfortunately decreasing calories also shuts down milk production. Perhaps eating more foods, quality foods high in calcium, proteins, and such along with an increase in water consumption. I have forgottent he numbers specifically, but it takes about 5 times the water intake to make a 1/2 pint of milk.

OTher areas to consider: sufficient rest, and relaxation. For me, I did better in my own room separate from other demands. Easier with the first baby than the second. lol

Good luck!!
post #57 of 105
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Originally Posted by EineMutti View Post
 

I had a really nice tea I drank all day, called "Stilltee" (breastfeeding tea). Aniseed, caraway and fennel. Two litres of that a day. Frequent, wholesome food helps, too, but most important I found for afternoon and evening supply was a long nap midday. Don't know if you baby naps well yet or someone could take baby for a bit so you can sleep?

 

Sleep deprivation is terrible for supply.

Weleda nursing tea, avbailable on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Weleda-Nursing-Tea-Dietary-Supplement/dp/B005ZHWZYC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1384849186&sr=8-2&keywords=weleda+tea

Also alcohol-free wheat beer or champaign. If you think it may be PCOS, cutting down on carbs and upping your protein and fat may help in the short run while you get prescriptions and stuff.

And rest rest rest. It's really crucial.

 

Edited to add that going paleo all the way is one way to regulate a metabolic disorder like PCOS but it is not the only one and the transition is certainly not conducive to getting the rest you need!


Edited by Tigerle - 11/19/13 at 2:06am
post #58 of 105

I second the alcohol-free wheat beer and malt beer. And remember to nap ;)

post #59 of 105
Does anyone know WHY lack of sleep
Is so crucial? I have a really low supply, my baby rarely naps more then 20 min so I never nap ( and am really tired).
post #60 of 105
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Originally Posted by Actiasluna View Post

Does anyone know WHY lack of sleep
Is so crucial? I have a really low supply, my baby rarely naps more then 20 min so I never nap ( and am really tired).

I'm sure there are a few reasons, but I've heard it's just like when you are fighting of a cold or something - it takes a lot of energy for your body to produce milk, and so it accomplishes that task best while you are sleeping. I know for me, my breasts always feel fuller after I wake up than they do for a feeding when I've not gotten rest in between.
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