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Low supply - What helped you? - Page 5post #81 of 10512/11/13 at 3:36pmpost #82 of 10512/11/13 at 5:28pmpost #83 of 10512/11/13 at 10:06pmlilmamita, I use the powdered formula only in my SNS. You just have to keep your eye on it to get on the clogs before it gets too much, otherwise baby gets frustrated. The way that I clean the tubes is that I run water through them by squeezing the bottle when I'm cleaning it, if that makes sense. If its really clogged, I sort of squish the tubes between my fingers all the way down the length of them and am able to squeeze it out. Then I run water through it. I try to do it with nice hot water to loosen the clogs. Also, at the top, where the holes are in the lid part, that is connected to the tubes, (I hope this makes sense) that part can get the most clogged and it took me months to notice..so, I sort of carefully squish the tubes so that whatever is in that top part comes out the holes. Sometimes I replace the whole thing, for example if they break. But mostly I clean them and its very doable. I hope all that made sense, I have the worst baby brain these days.
I know the SNS can be very very trying to get used to. I was extremely stubborn and have totally mastered it. If it wasn't for the SNS, I would not produce the 20-30oz per day that I produce. I don't pump, because I can't get any in a pump and I find the very discouraging. My baby is better at extracting the milk anyways and so is yours. Remember, if its not working, you can always do a bottle.post #84 of 10512/12/13 at 8:30amThread Starter
Also, just wanted to add:
My struggle with supply has been extremely emotionally trying. And I found it extremely frustrating when people who hadn't had much trouble establishing a breastmilk supply would make suggestions like "Eat oatmeal" or "Drink Mother's Milk tea" I wish it were that simple. I know people are just trying to be helpful, but every time someone says that stuff it is like a little stab at my heart.post #85 of 10512/12/13 at 6:27pmlilmamita, I am right there with you. I cried for months every day about my supply. Months. And I have tried EVERYTHING. I am so tired of people saying eat oatmeal or alfalfa sprouts or oatmeal cookies. Pfff. I don't believe that the type of food you eat helps supply. I beleive having a healthy diet is good but not certain foods.. I have seen no personal evidence and I've tried it all. Many people who have never experienced low supply (like really low, like you and I and many others experience) have a hard time understanding the heartbreak that is related to not being able to feed your child when all you want to do is just that. Using formula broke my heart so much and still does. But eventually I had to stop crying, for my son. For myself, I am just happy when the amount of formula he eats goes down. Then I feel a little better because I know he is getting a little more breast milk. I totally how you feel. Many of my friends think I've obsessed too much over my milk supply. (Their milk was always good or oversupply) So I've stopped talking about it because it seems too emotional for people to hear.post #86 of 10512/13/13 at 9:29amWhat do the bottles being in front of me have to do with anything? How is that any worse than people who eat in their car, talk to the passenger, yell at their kids in the backseat or talking on the phone? Being able to pump during commutes helps to continue pumping. It takes me 30 min to pump since I'm an exclusive pumper. It's a major time saver for me.post #87 of 10512/13/13 at 10:19am@JNajla - first off, I understand that you are an exclusive pumper and that it takes you 30 minutes to pump. You don't have to convince me that pumping while driving is incredibly convenient for you. But convenience has absolutely nothing to do with whether it is safe. There are a great many things that I would do during the time it takes me to drive to work if I thought they were safe - dry my hair for example. But it's not safe, and in my opinion, neither is pumping. You aren't going to convince me otherwise, so there's really no point in continuing this discussion. If it were only you who I thought was put it danger by this distraction then I wouldn't have even continued to respond this much. But when you get behind the wheel of a car you are responsible for how your actions affect others, too. I have used a double electric pump with a pumping bra, I know how it feels and how it impacts my range of motion. And my bottom line is that I wouldn't want me or my kid on the road with someone who was pumping. I understand that you disagree with me and won't be changing your behavior based on my opinion. So now is when we agree to disagree and walk away.post #88 of 10512/13/13 at 11:18pmQuote:Originally Posted by JNajla
What do the bottles being in front of me have to do with anything? How is that any worse than people who eat in their car, talk to the passenger, yell at their kids in the backseat or talking on the phone? Being able to pump during commutes helps to continue pumping. It takes me 30 min to pump since I'm an exclusive pumper. It's a major time saver for me.
You are sacrificing your mobility by having that gear there, as well as putting yourself at great risk if the airbags deploy and smash the bottles into your face and chest.
Almost EVERYTHING you have listed has been proven to cause accidents and increase passenger mortality. Headsets especially were just part of a major study that proved they are no better than hands on talking on the phone. Don't kid yourself saying this is safe.
Somethings you can choose to do, like eating and pumping in the car, other things are beyond your control, like needing to handle kids in the backseat.
I think what Sphinxy is saying, that I echo, is that a few ounces of breastmilk are not enough of a health benefit to cancel out the risk of distracted driving. Seriously. The studies show that 1/3 breastmilk is enough to see most of the benefits compared to exclusive formula feeding.
Do you do this with kids in the car!?post #89 of 10512/15/13 at 7:26pmNo kids in the car. I think you're overreacting, and I will continue to pump occasionally while driving if I need to. Apparently everyone on here is a model driver who doesn't listen to music, doesn't talk to the passenger, doesn't talk to your kids in the backseat, doesn't eat or drink in the car, or ever talk on your phone or look at it for that matter. And comparing having a pump strapped on to using a hairdryer while driving is just beyond ridiculous. Seriously. Go be judgmental somewhere else. *rolls eyes*post #90 of 10512/17/13 at 4:59ampost #91 of 10512/18/13 at 8:34amQuote:Originally Posted by lilmamita
Also, just wanted to add:
My struggle with supply has been extremely emotionally trying. And I found it extremely frustrating when people who hadn't had much trouble establishing a breastmilk supply would make suggestions like "Eat oatmeal" or "Drink Mother's Milk tea" I wish it were that simple. I know people are just trying to be helpful, but every time someone says that stuff it is like a little stab at my heart.
Alright, mamas, back to the topic of the thread.
lilmamita, I just wanted to drop in and say that my breastfeeding challenges were the hardest thing about being a new mom.
I was so surprised that it wasn't easier than it was, and I was absolutely shocked when I didn't have enough supply and no amount of pumping, crying, herbs, food, teas, tincture, latch investigation, nursing position experimenting, meditating, praying or commiserating made it even an one ounce improvement.
It really hurt to watch the ease with which other new moms nourished their babies.
What worked for me was the Lact-Aid, and supplementing with donor milk and formula.
I kept both my kids exclusively at the breast that way, and never used bottles or nipples.
I did move them onto whole foods earlier than I would've liked to.
As well, it's worth noting that by persevering and nursing so long with my first, my milk supply was almost double when I had my second child.
One thing remains true, it will get easier. I promise you that.post #92 of 10512/18/13 at 8:50amAnd for all involved in the pumping whilst driving discussion, here is a link to Mothering's User Agreement.
And a relevent slice to share here:
Mothering aims to be a welcoming environment to discuss subjects pertaining to and surrounding natural family living. We appreciate that members come to our community at different places in their parenting journey and one of our goals is to welcome and educate new members. With that in mind, we expect our members to keep conversations civil and on topic, and uphold the integrity and diversity of the community. We value the honest and supportive exchange of ideas and opinions, and we ask that members avoid negative characterizations and generalizations about others.post #93 of 10512/18/13 at 9:41pmstarling&diesal, thanks for that.
A few of my close friends are pregnant and I am really not looking forward to watching them EBF with ease. It might break my heart, again. ugh. At the same time, I sincerely hope they don't have the same low supply difficulties I have.
Starling&diesal, did you use the lact-aid for late night feedings as well? I find I hard to use the SNS in the middle of the night and do
Bottles.post #94 of 10512/18/13 at 9:53pmI did use the LA for night feedings.
I kept the LAs all ready to go in a chilled thermos by the bed, and just slipped one into place and latched baby on, while side-lie nursing.
We did end up with a few leaks and some
extra laundry, but we eventually got the hang
I really love LA for the night nursing we managed to do with it.
When my babies were newborns, I did sit up.
But as soon as possible, I had them side-lie nurse.
I should also mention that I ditched the nighttime supplements when my babies were 4 months and I knew that they'd be fine through the night after a bedtime top up and early morning supplement. They both nursed bare a lot during the night, even without the LA.
My 2.5 year old still nurses a couple of times a night.post #95 of 10512/19/13 at 12:04pm
Sorry you're having troubles - this is very stressful. based on my experience, depending on the extent of the tongue tie it may need to be removed by laser by a pediatric dentist who specializes in infant tongue ties. Apparently the ENT/pedi clipping process is not sufficient for many tongue ties. My 9 week old was clipped (a small amount) at 11 days (not diagnosed until I saw IBCLC at 10 days, even though there was clearly something going on), and then lasered at 2 weeks as he still couldn't latch after the clipping. After the lasering we had to do 3 weeks of stretching and exercises to keep frenulum from regrowing, and help him start to use his tongue properly - hard, but it all worked eventually. I had similar supply issues by that point apparently created by lack of demand and ineffective nursing. They are now mostly resolved I think, but it was a long road. Based on all the reading and consultation I did, you are doing all the right things it seems, short of taking domperidone. I didn't end up taking that as things started to catch up around 5-6 weeks but I was very exhausted with a 2-3 hr pumping regime that is similar to yours. It can be very frustrating but don't give up. The things that helped me in addition to all you are doing were sleep (very hard to get indeed. But a few times I slept through my alarm for the pumping regime at night and ironically there was more milk as a result) and time - over time with the help of the exercises we did he started using his tongue more effectively and learning to latch, and that has helped tremendously. The stress of worrying about whether I was doing everything I could, as well as worrying whether my infant was getting enough food, was of course counterproductive. I have two older children and nursed both for 2.5 years with no issues, and gave away milk, so this was all a bit of a surprise. If you can get some sleep, relax a bit, and use shared milk to get over the very difficult point you are it with less stress on you, you may find you start making more and more milk. Good luck - it sounds as if you are making a great effort to stick with it.post #96 of 10512/19/13 at 6:38pmStarling&diesal, I didn't think about cutting the supplement in the middle of the night. My son is 5 months now and I suppose I could do that. He won't starve! Also, we nurse first thing in the morning with no supplement and he seems ok with it, which is interesting to me because I feel like my breasts are super empty because he has nurse 2 or 3 times between midnight and 8, but he seems ok with it. The amount that is actually in there baffles me, how and why.post #97 of 10512/21/13 at 6:48ampost #98 of 10512/21/13 at 4:38pmOh, cynthiamoon, because I just get so exasperated getting up, warming the bottle up etc. we nurse, then bottle. The SNS i find hard to get hooked up to middle of the night, because i have to warm it, blahblahblah. if we could just nurse, I'd be much happier. Obviously we'd all be... By stopping, I don't mean nursing stopping, just not needing the supplement. Once and a while Griffin goes to sleep without the supplement but I've found that he usually doesn't sleep as well, same as julia. we arent really sleeping much anyways..What I have been doing is only supplementing with 2 of 4 feeding. These days my sleep deprivation is huge as he wakes 4 times between midnight and 8 to nurse. So, I'm doing supplement at midnight and 3 or 4-ish and nursing only the other two times.post #99 of 10512/21/13 at 4:42pm
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